Suffolk_fox Posted 2 October 2006 Posted 2 October 2006 I recently changed jobs, and was unexpectedly sent home on gardening leave halfway through my notice period. That morning, our Accounts Dept Manager had given me a list of expenses on my company credit card for which they had not yet received receipts. I phoned the companies in question, and was told that they would fax or email receipts to me. Later, my boss called me up to his office, tells me to go home and that he is going to pay me up to my notice period, but if they don't receive receipts I was asked for earlier, they would deduct it from my salary. I told him that I had already phoned the companies concerned, and that I had already got some of the receipts. I went home and heard nothing more from the company, so I presumed all was well. Until I got my final wage slip showing £800 of deductions. I immediately got in touch with our accounts dept, told them that obviously some of the companies hadn't sent the receipts or that the faxes may have been lost in our busy sales office. She says to give her half an hour. I then get a fax from my boss saying that as discussed on my last day in the office, they would deduct 'unjustified' expenses from my account. I realise I could have phoned to check that all the receipts had indeed been faxed through to our office and I regret it now. But then again, someone could have phoned me and told me that they had heard nothing! Can he withold my pay, and not give me the chance to chase up the companies concerned? Afterall, he could only claim back the VAT from the receipts. Help cos this is a financial disaster for us!
Lets Be having You Posted 2 October 2006 Posted 2 October 2006 i UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO deduct money from your paypacket,with out your permission,go see CAB,they will sort it for you
Suffolk_fox Posted 2 October 2006 Author Posted 2 October 2006 i UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO deduct money from your paypacket,with out your permission,go see CAB,they will sort it for you Thanks!
Daggers Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Thanks! Sorry to hear your bother SF. You may want to consider threatening them with going to small claims court in order to recover the money, in the hope they make a settlement offer. Go for a consultation with a solicitor
Janx Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Seek legal advice, as I think the advice already put on here is wrong.
The People's Hero Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Seek legal advice, as I think the advice already put on here is wrong. DEFINITELY seek some legal advice.
drew Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Speak to ACAS and not CAB. The best thing to do is call the companies again yourself and ask forthe copy receipts to be sent to you directly. When you have them ask for your money back, if they refuse you have the right to take it further.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Help cos this is a financial disaster for us! What does your union say?
Janx Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 What does your union say? "What are you doing ringing me, you arent in a union" UNless of course he works for BIG companies or Public Sector. Not many private sector unions matey. Maggie saw most of them off.
Jon the Hat Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Not many private sector unions matey. Maggie saw most of them off. Good thing too. We just need another Tory to come in and sort the rest out.
Janx Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Good thing too. We just need another Tory to come in and sort the rest out. steady you will get me into trouble on here again!
Jon the Hat Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 I recently changed jobs, and was unexpectedly sent home on gardening leave halfway through my notice period. That morning, our Accounts Dept Manager had given me a list of expenses on my company credit card for which they had not yet received receipts. I phoned the companies in question, and was told that they would fax or email receipts to me. Later, my boss called me up to his office, tells me to go home and that he is going to pay me up to my notice period, but if they don't receive receipts I was asked for earlier, they would deduct it from my salary. I told him that I had already phoned the companies concerned, and that I had already got some of the receipts. I went home and heard nothing more from the company, so I presumed all was well. Until I got my final wage slip showing £800 of deductions. I immediately got in touch with our accounts dept, told them that obviously some of the companies hadn't sent the receipts or that the faxes may have been lost in our busy sales office. She says to give her half an hour. I then get a fax from my boss saying that as discussed on my last day in the office, they would deduct 'unjustified' expenses from my account. I realise I could have phoned to check that all the receipts had indeed been faxed through to our office and I regret it now. But then again, someone could have phoned me and told me that they had heard nothing! Can he withold my pay, and not give me the chance to chase up the companies concerned? Afterall, he could only claim back the VAT from the receipts. Help cos this is a financial disaster for us! You best approach would be to get copies of all the reciepts yourself, and get hold of an expense claim form (if you can) and submit copies of this to your old company requesting immediate settlement of due work expenses. Not sure what your legal position is, but I would avoid taking a legal approach until you have tried this first, it will just antagonise your old boss further.
davieG Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 You need to study the Employment Rights Act 1996 - link There's a section on; PART II PROTECTION OF WAGES Deductions by employer Not sure if it's covered.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 "What are you doing ringing me, you arent in a union" UNless of course he works for BIG companies or Public Sector. Not many private sector unions matey. Maggie saw most of them off. Some have recovered, surely? Someone was telling me that UK Labour don't have the balls to reintroduce the regulatory framework of pre-Th*tcher. It's disappointing that workers still have to suffer under a 'Labour' party. Norway is so bloody regulated it might as well be socialist, and yet it has one of the most productive economies in the world. The argument that a strong economy results from screwing people over is bollocks.
Janx Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Some have recovered, surely? Someone was telling me that UK Labour don't have the balls to reintroduce the regulatory framework of pre-Th*tcher. It's disappointing that workers still have to suffer under a 'Labour' party. Norway is so bloody regulated it might as well be socialist, and yet it has one of the most productive economies in the world. The argument that a strong economy results from screwing people over is bollocks. Can we have a NO POLITICS and NO RELIGION policy on this forum..
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Can we have a NO POLITICS and NO RELIGION policy on this forum.. But that would get rid of our most fiery threads And besides, people getting screwed over at work is a real problem.
Janx Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 But that would get rid of our most fiery threads And besides, people getting screwed over at work is a real problem. Erm are you quoting UK or AUS? As generally in this country employment legislation has been increased massivley AND there is a huge skill shortage so many private firms recognise the need to give fair and decent working conditions. Anyway I ve said enough...count me out of this little "noose"
Dr The Singh Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Erm are you quoting UK or AUS? As generally in this country employment legislation has been increased massivley AND there is a huge skill shortage so many private firms recognise the need to give fair and decent working conditions. Anyway I ve said enough...count me out of this little "noose" When the going gets tough, the jankers get going.....
Janx Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 yeah because debates are always SO well thought out on here... "thats bollocks you're talking sh1te etc etc etc!"
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Erm are you quoting UK or AUS? As generally in this country employment legislation has been increased massivley AND there is a huge skill shortage so many private firms recognise the need to give fair and decent working conditions. Anyway I ve said enough...count me out of this little "noose" Both. I'm skeptical in cases where employers 'give' fair and decent working conditions as opposed to employees obtaining them. Too much power left unchecked leads to cases like SF's... the fact that legislation exists doesn't mean a thing when there's 800 quid missing from your sky rocket. Regulatory frameworks force compliance in a number of ways from the floor-up, where it counts. Count me out too, if I get too fired up I'll be here all night
Janx Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 Both. I'm skeptical in cases where employers 'give' fair and decent working conditions as opposed to employees obtaining them. Too much power left unchecked leads to cases like SF's... the fact that legislation exists doesn't mean a thing when there's 800 quid missing from your sky rocket. Regulatory frameworks force compliance in a number of ways from the floor-up, where it counts. Count me out too, if I get too fired up I'll be here all night With respect to you and SF, you dont know the WHOLE Story, but then nor do I. Trust me...as an employer, the government over here are FIRMLY in the employees camp!! I dont have a problem with it, only when people aren't aware of how "well off" they are in comparative terms. Victorian/Dickensian days are gone here... if that isnt true for everyone then I am sorry, but then you should perhaps take steps to alter your situation, the Law is on your side.
Rincewind Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 There are independent unions that cover all areas of work Was told about it the other day. I forget the exact letters GBS or something. A lot of places don't recognise unions and these people deal with any grievances and disputes. I know nothing about claiming expenses etc but I would have thought you would get a receipt ASAP before submitting the claim. The bosses of your company would have to show proof to their accountants and the IR of expenses paid out in order to get tax allowances themselves for the business
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 With respect to you and SF, you dont know the WHOLE Story, but then nor do I. Trust me...as an employer, the government over here are FIRMLY in the employees camp!! I dont have a problem with it, only when people aren't aware of how "well off" they are in comparative terms. Victorian/Dickensian days are gone here... if that isnt true for everyone then I am sorry, but then you should perhaps take steps to alter your situation, the Law is on your side. I don't know enough about UK Labour to make a call, but it seems odd that they were unwilling to reverse Th*tcher's changes when they came to power. Employment is a two way street. Employees have to respect that it is the employer's capital on the table that is keeping them employed. Employers have to respect that everyone needs to work and the collective should be treated with due respect. Employers can sack people, employees can strike.
Janx Posted 3 October 2006 Posted 3 October 2006 I don't know enough about UK Labour to make a call, but it seems odd that they were unwilling to reverse Th*tcher's changes when they came to power. Employment is a two way street. Employees have to respect that it is the employer's capital on the table that is keeping them employed. Employers have to respect that everyone needs to work and the collective should be treated with due respect. Employers can sack people, employees can strike. Not without a fecking good reason matey...we are all sh1t scared of landing in tribunals where punitive damages are limitless!!
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