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[Guest]

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

It is sweet and (fitting/ noble/ glorious/ right) to die for your country.

If I had died fighting in some futile, pointless war, the last thing I would want to see when I look down on Earth from heaven* is a monument promoting war.

That is exactly what memorials like the one in Winchester do.

The best way to pay tribute to the dead is to promote peace, so no more young men will be sent off to die.

(*Yeah, I know...)

I know what it means, thank you. My point is not many do. My other point is it is a focal point for those who grieve. Why do you not see this? Or is it the fact you know you have posted something that many will find offensive and you are trying to deflect criticism by trying to be clever? Because you're not. I could, and I have, spouted off Latin on these forums; it's not that difficult.

[Manwell Pablo]

I don't have time to read every thread, so I was completely unaware of this Most Controversial Poster competition.

But as a matter of fact, some of those views you mention are held by anarchocommunists.

Paedophilia is a controversial subject, and although I don't believe we should have a state police force to enforce anti-peaedophilia laws , I wouldn't quite go as far as saying it should be legalised.

Free drugs for school children? Seems like a good idea to me. If it goes hand-in-hand with proper education of the dangers that drugs may pose then why not?

But, with the NHS, can't children already get free drugs like ritalin and prozac (capitalism, yay!) already?

Mass execution of pet owners? No. Not until my pet rabbit dies, and he's going to live forever.

I'd love to see you:

1) Read my posts properly (after all, they're never around for long) before you start foaming at the mouth.

2) Apologize for implying that I'm in favour of peadophilia, or even of legalising it.

This is the fair, decent thing to do.

Let's see what type of man you are, Manwell Pablo.

I did nothing of the sort, I said I would like to see you explain your views to them. The views expressed above. I've read your post just fine, and replied in a way that has bought about the above pathetic respoonse.

[The People's Hero]

Manwell is right, Lemon Harpic.

Whether I agree with what Manwell says or not (which I do).. you've lost the plot a bit on this one.

[Daggers]

2) Apologize for implying that I'm in favour of peadophilia, or even of legalising it.

He doesn't need to, it's what you said.

[Trumpet]

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

It is sweet and (fitting/ noble/ glorious/ right) to die for your country.

If I had died fighting in some futile, pointless war, the last thing I would want to see when I look down on Earth from heaven* is a monument promoting war.

That is exactly what memorials like the one in Winchester do.

The best way to pay tribute to the dead is to promote peace, so no more young men will be sent off to die.

(*Yeah, I know...)

They fought for our country, so you and I could live like we do today.. Pointless?

[Guest]

They fought for our country, so you and I could live like we do today.. Pointless?

Apparently. Having read what the Germans plans were if they ever invaded this country.....

[Lemon Harpic]

He doesn't need to, it's what you said.

Manwell, TPH, and Disco Bob,

I said I'm not in favour of anti-paedophile laws being enforced by a state police force.

I did not say I'm not in favour of anti-paedophile laws being enforced at all.

The fact that I continued to say that "I wouldn't quite go as far as saying [paedophilia] should be legalised." should have been a clue.

But I guess some people only see what they want to see?

Manwell, your apology, any time now...

[Manwell Pablo]

Manwell, TPH, and Disco Bob,

I said I'm not in favour of anti-paedophile laws being enforced by a state police force.

I did not say I'm not in favour of anti-paedophile laws being enforced at all.

The fact that I continued to say that "I wouldn't quite go as far as saying [paedophilia] should be legalised." should have been a clue.

But I guess some people only see what they want to see?

Manwell, your apology, any time now...

, who's going to enforce them then?

[Lemon Harpic]

I know what it means, thank you. My point is not many do. My other point is it is a focal point for those who grieve. Why do you not see this?

We seem to be going round and round in circles. Memorials like this do provide a focal point for those who grieve, but they do so in a way that promotes and glorifies war. This makes them a danger to humanity.

Or is it the fact you know you have posted something that many will find offensive and you are trying to deflect criticism by trying to be clever? Because you're not. I could, and I have, spouted off Latin on these forums; it's not that difficult.

The explanation of what "dulce et decorum.." means was not for your benefit. It was for the information of those who did not know. I was not trying to patronize you. Stop being so sensitive.

But it does tickle me that so many people have taken the effort to tell me that I am not clever, intelligent, etc. I never claimed that I was.

[Lemon Harpic]

, who's going to enforce them then?

God, go to any anarchist discussion board and you'll find threads hundreds of pages long debating that self-same question.

But it doesn't matter.

The point is that you implied that I was in favour of paedophilia, when I am not.

The decent and fair thing to do -and you know this- would be to apologize, however much you dislike me.

If you choose not to, that's up to you. Whatever cource of action you take, you'll be showing us all what kind of a man you are.

Your call...

[Daggers]

Memorials ... promotes and glorifies war. This makes them a danger to humanity.

Now you are going to have to go really slowly on this one for me... a war memorial promotes and glorifies war does it?

So you denounce them as Clause 28 denounced the promotion and glorification of homosexuality? Or do you blame them as Mary Whitehouse blamed video nasties for causing violence and depraved behaviour?

Films glorify war. The Army recruitment office promote war. A lump of concrete, stone and metal with a list of names of dead people neither promotes or glorifies anything.

[Manwell Pablo]

God, go to any anarchist discussion board and you'll find threads hundreds of pages long debating that self-same question.

But it doesn't matter.

The point is that you implied that I was in favour of paedophilia, when I am not.

The decent and fair thing to do -and you know this- would be to apologize, however much you dislike me.

If you choose not to, that's up to you. Whatever cource of action you take, you'll be showing us all what kind of a man you are.

Your call...

No I didn't say that at all, I said I think you should explain your views on the matter to the parents of the above mentioned girls, your view being the people who currently work all day and night to catch and stop the peados in our society should not be doing so. Worse still you have no idea what your going to put in place.

[Phube]

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

It is sweet and (fitting/ noble/ glorious/ right) to die for your country.

Do you even know Wilfed Owen the poem?? Cause if you did you know that it is preceded by the line.

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est

Pro patria mori"

It is anti-war!! Written by someone fighting in a war. (Sadly shot and killed a few days before Armastice Day!)

[Lemon Harpic]

Now you are going to have to go really slowly on this one for me... a war memorial promotes and glorifies war does it?

So you denounce them as Clause 28 denounced the promotion and glorification of homosexuality? Or do you blame them as Mary Whitehouse blamed video nasties for causing violence and depraved behaviour?

Films glorify war. The Army recruitment office promote war. A lump of concrete, stone and metal with a list of names of dead people neither promotes or glorifies anything.

Where is the memorial to those pacifists who died of old age having lovingly raised children, grandchildren and fluffy ikkle puppies?

There isn't one. Society hasn't deemed them worthy of a monument.

Which places them below those revered heroic soldiers who died fighting for our right to etc and so on.

Or, to look at it another way, it places those revered heroic soldiers who died fighting for our right to etc and so on above those pacifists who died of old age having lovingly raised children, grandchildren and fluffy ikkle puppies. It promotes them. It promotes war.

[Lemon Harpic]

Do you even know Wilfed Owen the poem?? Cause if you did you know that it is preceded by the line.

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To children ardent for some desperate glory,

The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est

Pro patria mori"

It is anti-war!! Written by someone fighting in a war. (Sadly shot and killed a few days before Armastice Day!)

The Latin phrase Dulce et Decorum est pro patria mori is pro-war.

Wilfred Owen's poem 'Dulce et Decorum est' is anti-war.

Hope this clears it up for you, Phube.

[Phube]

Where is the memorial to those pacifists who died of old age having lovingly raised children, grandchildren and fluffy ikkle puppies?

There isn't one. Society hasn't deemed them worthy of a monument.

Which places them below those revered heroic soldiers who died fighting for our right to etc and so on.

Or, to look at it another way, it places those revered heroic soldiers who died fighting for our right to etc and so on above those pacifists who died of old age having lovingly raised children, grandchildren and fluffy ikkle puppies. It promotes them. It promotes war.

Yup, you're right our Grand Parents should have stayed at home and knitted, possibly writing letters to "Mr. Hitler" asking him nicely to stop invading and exterminating his enemies!! Great idea!!

[Daggers]

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No. It marks a form of remembrance for those that stood shoulder to shoulder against fascism.

There are no monuments to pacifists because they'd be **** all good against Panzer tanks with their ****ing fluffy ikkle puppies.

[Lemon Harpic]

No I didn't say that at all, I said I think you should explain your views on the matter to the parents of the above mentioned girls, your view being the people who currently work all day and night to catch and stop the peados in our society should not be doing so. Worse still you have no idea what your going to put in place.

No apology. Fine.

But we all know what the implication of your words was.

To try and deny it just makes you look more ridiculous.

[Daggers]

To try and deny it just makes you look more ridiculous.

Yea! What he said, MP, you look ridiculous.

Try changing your shirt.

[Lemon Harpic]

No. It marks a form of remembrance for those that stood shoulder to shoulder against fascism.

Is anyone else getting bored of this?

Yes, war memorials marks a form of remembrance for those that stood shoulder to shoulder against fascism but at the same time they promote and glorify war.

This is what I've said before.

There are no monuments to pacifists because they'd be **** all good against Panzer tanks with their ****ing fluffy ikkle puppies.

Are you still trying to say that war memorials don't promote and glorify war? You seem to be contradicting yourself here if so.

[Manwell Pablo]

No apology. Fine.

But we all know what the implication of your words was.

To try and deny it just makes you look more ridiculous.

Yes, fortunately most people here can read and comprehend unlike yourself.

9/11 was apparently the best day of your life, and then you say war memorials should be blown up as they promote war .

I think your the only one who thinks im ridiculous pal .

[Lemon Harpic]

No. It marks a form of remembrance for those that stood shoulder to shoulder against fascism.

There are no monuments to pacifists because they'd be **** all good against Panzer tanks with their ****ing fluffy ikkle puppies.

Can I ask your opinion Disco Bob?

When Manwell Pablo said that I should explain my views on paedophilia to the parents of Holy Wells and Jessica Chapman, did you take this to imply that I was in favour legalising paedophilia?

Please, be honest.

[Dr The Singh]

Is anyone else getting bored of this?

Yes, war memorials marks a form of remembrance for those that stood shoulder to shoulder against fascism but at the same time they promote and glorify war.

This is what I've said before.

Are you still trying to say that war memorials don't promote and glorify war? You seem to be contradicting yourself here if so.

As the great GGS once said, "in fighting injustice, for humanity and the fight for the truth, when all peaceful means fail, the sword must be taken in the hand."

War is sometimes necessary, in this case many gave there lives for the injustice and freedom of others, when they could easily sat at home and thought about themselves and there kin. A memorial is the least we could do in there rememberance!!!

[Phube]

As the great GGS once said, "in fighting injustice, for humanity and the fight for the truth, when all peaceful means fail, the sword must be taken in the hand."

War is sometimes necessary, in this case many gave there lives for the injustice and freedom of others, when they could easily sat at home and thought about themselves and there kin. A memorial is the least we could do in there rememberance!!!

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[Dr The Singh]

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Guru Gobind Singh (Tenth Master of the Sikh Faith)!!!!