lesta fox Posted 12 November 2006 Posted 12 November 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england...ies/6139662.stm
Jay Posted 12 November 2006 Posted 12 November 2006 SCUM indeed shocking behaviour!! the small mided mentality of some people never fails to amaze me
Fez of Mahrez Posted 12 November 2006 Posted 12 November 2006 Goes without saying, that's horrific and will no doubt garner a lot of insults and angry "smilies" on here in response. This year, in the buildup to yesterday, I was beginning to wonder how valid the minute's silence at football matches is these days. You get these for practically anything in this day and age it seems. However, at the Northampton game yesterday I got a real reminder of what it means. During the silence I looked across the crowd in front of me and there was one old boy, must have been well into his 80s if not older, wearing a poppy. It struck me how much significance that small emblem must have to people of that age. As he turned round to take his seat after the silence, I noticed a tear leaving his eye. In this cynical age, where the elderly receive so much disrespect from the young, if football can offer a little dignity in response to acts of vandalism such as this, there will always be a place for a minute's silence for this reason.
Jay Posted 12 November 2006 Posted 12 November 2006 Goes without saying, that's horrific and will no doubt garner a lot of insults and angry "smilies" on here in response. This year, in the buildup to yesterday, I was beginning to wonder how valid the minute's silence at football matches is these days. You get these for practically anything in this day and age it seems. However, at the Northampton game yesterday I got a real reminder of what it means. During the silence I looked across the crowd in front of me and there was one old boy, must have been well into his 80s if not older, wearing a poppy. It struck me how much significance that small emblem must have to people of that age. As he turned round to take his seat after the silence, I noticed a tear leaving his eye. In this cynical age, where the elderly receive so much disrespect from the young, if football can offer a little dignity in response to acts of vandalism such as this, there will always be a place for a minute's silence for this reason. very well said!! I was a bit ignorant as a teenager and didn't think to much of all this war thing but I went on a school trip to the first world war battlefields and the sight of grave after grave and the monuments with name after name of soldiers who had fallen yet had no grave would have a serious effect on anyone. ever since then I have looked at things in a different light and I think those who gave their lives defending their country and our way of life deserve nothing less and their contribution should never be forgotten!! I often ask myself would I be able to show so much bravery if it were to happen today and to be honest I really don't know the answer....
Thracian Posted 12 November 2006 Posted 12 November 2006 Generally I think young people show proper respect but I've read the History of the Third Reich twice and I was interested to see an article in the Sunday Express today about what Germany planned should they have taken control in England. SS General Walter Darre, under the instruction of Hitler, told Nazi officers: "As soon as we beat England we shall make an end to Englishmen once and for all. "Able-bodied men will be exported as slaves to the continent. Ther old and weak will be exterminated. All men remaining in Britain as slaves will be sterilised." So most young people should be truly grateful that their father's and grandfathers put their lives on the line because otherwise, they would probably never have existed. In Poland and many other places of course, that dreadful scenario came to pass. We should always remember that if we want to keep this country we have to be ready and prepared to defend it. The maintainance of major deterents are vital. I am fairly pacific these days but remain amazed that our young folk have no national service and receive no military, survival, or self-defence training whatsoever. Why? Because it won't be the last time we'll have to defend our way of life and our young people should know that whether they wish to respond in any way or not. They should read the History of the Third Reich. It paints a grim picture of the consequences of defeat in any kind of warfare, military or otherwise. It also exposes the sheer madness and self-serving ruthlessness of human beings. Although Darre died in 1953, presumably members of Walter Darre's family survive in the Munich area of Germany to this day. Imagine being responsible for bringing anyone into the world who thought like that or having to cope with being closely related to him after his trial. And he was just one!
samingram_uk Posted 12 November 2006 Posted 12 November 2006 sickos, they gave thier lives for the little bastards that did that, this county needs to grow up
Leonisco Posted 12 November 2006 Posted 12 November 2006 Seriously, what's the point? Utterly Beyond Belief.
The People's Hero Posted 12 November 2006 Posted 12 November 2006 Seriously, though.. the word 'daub'!!!! Just me then?
Guest Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 These people are scum because they are Nazis.But there is nothing wrong with graffitiing (if that's a word) War Memorials and the like. On Mayday 2000, anti-capitalist protesters daubed (sorry TPH) the Cenotaph in London with the words "Why glorify war?". To me this is perfectly acceptable. Why is it? These memorials are there to remember those who have lost their lives, many thousands who had no choice in whether or not they could or should go to war. I am a pacifist, but I would not desecrate any memorial to these innocent men and women. Nazi or not, it's morally wrong in my opinion.
The People's Hero Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 These people are scum because they are Nazis. But there is nothing wrong with graffitiing (if that's a word) War Memorials and the like. On Mayday 2000, anti-capitalist protesters daubed (sorry TPH) the Cenotaph in London with the words "Why glorify war?". To me this is perfectly acceptable. No, no, you misunderstand. I like it. It tickles me. The word 'daub' is good!
Katy Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 Why is it? These memorials are there to remember those who have lost their lives, many thousands who had no choice in whether or not they could or should go to war. I am a pacifist, but I would not desecrate any memorial to these innocent men and women. Nazi or not, it's morally wrong in my opinion. Pretty much what I was going to say.
Daggers Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 These people are scum because they are Nazis. No, they are scum because they are extremists that speak and act in a manner that is not considered 'fair' within society. All forms of political and religious extremism are unacceptable, from the left as well as the right. People such as this act as though they believe they have "The Truth", blinkered by hatred. There is a lesson here for you LH.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 These people are scum because they are Nazis. But there is nothing wrong with graffitiing (if that's a word) War Memorials and the like. On Mayday 2000, anti-capitalist protesters daubed (sorry TPH) the Cenotaph in London with the words "Why glorify war?". To me this is perfectly acceptable. Someone ban this twat please. This is twice in a week he has shown total disregard for human life.
Daggers Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 A coincidence that he has suddenly returned to start posting after a period of absence...with views a lot stronger than before? Hmm... 10) Most Controversial Poster I don't think he's been that controversial yet...I'm waiting for him to argue for the legalising of paedophilia, free drugs for school children and the mass execution of all pet owners. Until then he'd only walk the 'Most Pathetic Poster of 2006'...and considering some of the runners for that award he's done well.
The People's Hero Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 A coincidence that he has suddenly returned to start posting after a period of absence...with views a lot stronger than before? Hmm... 10) Most Controversial Poster I don't think he's been that controversial yet...I'm waiting for him to argue for the legalising of paedophilia, free drugs for school children and the mass execution of all pet owners. Until then he'd only walk the 'Most Pathetic Poster of 2006'...and considering some of the runners for that award he's done well. Sh it. I'd best step it up a gear.
Lemon Harpic Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 A coincidence that he has suddenly returned to start posting after a period of absence...with views a lot stronger than before? Hmm... 10) Most Controversial Poster I don't think he's been that controversial yet...I'm waiting for him to argue for the legalising of paedophilia, free drugs for school children and the mass execution of all pet owners. Until then he'd only walk the 'Most Pathetic Poster of 2006'...and considering some of the runners for that award he's done well. I don't have time to read every thread, so I was completely unaware of this Most Controversial Poster competition. But as a matter of fact, some of those views you mention are held by anarchocommunists. Paedophilia is a controversial subject, and although I don't believe we should have a state police force to enforce anti-peaedophilia laws, I wouldn't quite go as far as saying it should be legalised. Free drugs for school children? Seems like a good idea to me. If it goes hand-in-hand with proper education of the dangers that drugs may pose then why not? But, with the NHS, can't children already get free drugs like ritalin and prozac (capitalism, yay!) already? Mass execution of pet owners? No. Not until my pet rabbit dies, and he's going to live forever.
Shipman Out Posted 13 November 2006 Posted 13 November 2006 I don't have time to read every thread, so I was completely unaware of this Most Controversial Poster competition. But as a matter of fact, some of those views you mention are held by anarchocommunists. Paedophilia is a controversial subject, and although I don't believe we should have a state police force to enforce anti-peaedophilia laws, I wouldn't quite go as far as saying it should be legalised. Free drugs for school children? Seems like a good idea to me. If it goes hand-in-hand with proper education of the dangers that drugs may pose then why not? But, with the NHS, can't children already get free drugs like ritalin and prozac (capitalism, yay!) already? Mass execution of pet owners? No. Not until my pet rabbit dies, and he's going to live forever. Aren't you gorging on Capitalism yourself with your pre packaged pulp logo. These people are scum, i have so much respect for the people who fought in WW1 and WW2 its unbelievable. This should be educated in schools it was when i went, is it still today? They should be made to watch Band of Brothers as an introduction. There is no respect in society today and no putting up with anything people dont want to do, we should never stop remembering and never stop the minutes silence at the football. Can i say to our club has lead the way with the Poppy on the kit idea, we were the first club to ever do it
Dr The Singh Posted 14 November 2006 Posted 14 November 2006 Lemon Harpic, you really are sad!!! Your entitled to your own opinion, which I respect but I also respect others aswell, in protest of your responses, i have stoppped using lemon harpic to clean my shitter and have gone back to original instead!!!
Manwell Pablo Posted 14 November 2006 Posted 14 November 2006 History has also shown you talk absolute tripe for the sake of it, England wont be getting out of their world cup group? and before you "say I got a lot of things right Fat Frank was shit blah blah" you didn't get it right you got it wrong, very wrong. This is because you know very little about football. Your opinions are callus, and boarder evil. The memorial is there to remember people who died so you can live the way you do, they are they are the reason you can go about talking the shit that you so often put as all through. A lot of these men didn't have a choice in the matter and if you have such a problem with the people who sent them out to die take out of them. If your intelligent as you claim (which your clearly not) you should know who to blame and how to put your opinions without simple rejoicing at the loss of human life. You shouldn't be shot because your opinions differ to mine you should be shot so you know what it feels like. Maybe then you might think twice before throwing yourself a little party every time one of our solders is shot dead in Iraq. I would honestly love you to meet the relatives of a dead solider and explain your opinions, even better I'd love to see you could explain your views on paedophilea to the families of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman. Or perhaps you should explain your Class A for schools theory to those that have lost relatives to Ecstasy or Smack. You’re a sick sick puppy.
Guest Posted 14 November 2006 Posted 14 November 2006 This memorial was just one of many monuments to the idea that dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.This is not the right message to be pushing. While I don't agree with the vandal's choice of symbols, I support his right to deface the war memorial. Or blow it up. My point is it is insulting to the memories of those who had no choice in dying. A memorial is more than the words written upon it. Do you think the families who first remembered their dead knew what the Latin meant or even gave a stuff? No. It's a focal point. It's something for us all to remember why it's there.
Lemon Harpic Posted 15 November 2006 Posted 15 November 2006 even better I'd love to see you could explain your views on paedophilea to the families of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman. I'd love to see you: 1) Read my posts properly (after all, they're never around for long) before you start foaming at the mouth. 2) Apologize for implying that I'm in favour of peadophilia, or even of legalising it. This is the fair, decent thing to do. Let's see what type of man you are, Manwell Pablo.
Lemon Harpic Posted 15 November 2006 Posted 15 November 2006 My point is it is insulting to the memories of those who had no choice in dying. A memorial is more than the words written upon it. Do you think the families who first remembered their dead knew what the Latin meant or even gave a stuff? No. It's a focal point. It's something for us all to remember why it's there. Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori. It is sweet and (fitting/ noble/ glorious/ right) to die for your country. If I had died fighting in some futile, pointless war, the last thing I would want to see when I look down on Earth from heaven* is a monument promoting war. That is exactly what memorials like the one in Winchester do. The best way to pay tribute to the dead is to promote peace, so no more young men will be sent off to die. (*Yeah, I know...)
Lemon Harpic Posted 15 November 2006 Posted 15 November 2006 Can i say to our club has lead the way with the Poppy on the kit idea, we were the first club to ever do it It would be great if ours was the first club to sew White poppies into the kits. http://www.ppu.org.uk/poppy/new/index_frame.html
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