Pair killed by Underground train

[Daggers]

I blame Kelly.

Kelly out!

[Thracian]

I expect no less from you.

Well I expected more from you.

[Guest]

They didn't deserve to die for spray-painting a wall. Tragic for their families, it really is.

They were killed because of their own stupidity. No-one has suggested that spraying a wall deserves to die.

Just hope that it'll act as a deterrent for other people who like to graffiti walls. It just should not be done anywhere near train tracks. It's a dangerous hobby/pastime and death is always a possibility.

It shouldn't be done full stop.

[Flynny]

Since when does being an idiot disqualify people from sympathy? Steve Irwin got tons of it for basically going "Hey I wonder what happens if I poke thi-ARRRRGHHHH!!!" a million times and it finally catching up on him. Sure they were being shits, but they were still pretty young, had their wholes lives ahead of them. Sure they might have carried on being low-lives, but they could have led quite decent lives.

[Finnegan]

Haha. This thread is genius.

Two guys died. They were really, really dense. The end? I can't feel for them either way, I didn't know them. Sad that they died, they might have been really nice lads - just a shame they were totally braindead.

[Hullfox]

Well I expected more from you.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Stop squabbling kids.

[Guest]

Since when does being an idiot disqualify people from sympathy? Steve Irwin got tons of it for basically going "Hey I wonder what happens if I poke thi-ARRRRGHHHH!!!" a million times and it finally catching up on him. Sure they were being shits, but they were still pretty young, had their wholes lives ahead of them. Sure they might have carried on being low-lives, but they could have led quite decent lives.

I would have thought statistically that this would have been highly unlikely.

Why should I have any sympathy for stupidity? It's symptomatic of the way this country's going, nanny state and all that.

[Manwell Pablo]

They put themselves in that position, the writing was on the wall im afraid

[Guest]

They put themselves in that position, the writing was on the wall im afraid

Taxi!!!

[Head Honcho]

They got what was coming to/at them

Morons

[Daggers]

<<1st contribution to the thread>>

<<bad pun>>

23.5 hours in order to come up with that?! Blimey.

[Thracian]

I would have thought statistically that this would have been highly unlikely.

Why should I have any sympathy for stupidity? It's symptomatic of the way this country's going, nanny state and all that.

I'm reminded of my youngest son who from the ages of about 11-13 used to play commandos with his friends - on top of the buildings in Hinckley town centre and would not desist despite umpteen warnings.

He would even scale Barclays Bank and train his pretend weapon on market stall holders. Had he slipped while climbing the drainpipes he would have been an idiot and me a neglectful father.

That same son has now gone out for his Snowsports tuition today outwardly mocking my warning about not going onto the mountains alone and keeping away from off piste areas which have claimed eight lives already this year in the present and unusual avalanche conditions.

I am reminded too of schoolteachers who idiotically took novice canoists into dangerous offshore currents and got several of them killed and of another responsible teacher who ignored local warnings that heavy rains would make a mountain tributary dangerous and contributed to getting one of her party swept away and drowned.

The graffitti guys may have been criminal, reckless and foolhardy, stupid indeed, but there but for the grace of God go many of us.

They won't have the chance to learn better and neither will their families, assuming they have anyone that cares about them.

I've rarely met anyone who survived doing something stupid and wasn't the wiser for it afterwards. And I've rarely met anyone who's done nothing stupid, not necessarily wilfully or illegally stupid but dangerously and irresponsibly stupid just the same. And supposedly wise teachers are often the worst for it.

[Guest]

I'm reminded of my youngest son who from the ages of about 11-13 used to play commandos with his friends - on top of the buildings in Hinckley town centre and would not desist despite umpteen warnings.....

I've done some pretty reckless and stupid things myself. I've no-one to blame but myself. I expect no sympathy from anyone. If the worst had happened, it would have served me right.

[Manwell Pablo]

23.5 hours in order to come up with that?! Blimey.

I actually thought of it shortly after the first post, but no one posted in here for the rest of evening, and I didn't want to post twice in a row, as it would make the bad pun look even worse.

[Daggers]

I'm reminded of my youngest son who from the ages of about 11-13 used to play commandos with his friends - on top of the buildings in Hinckley town centre and would not desist despite umpteen warnings.

Yea - that'll do it...repeating warnings lots of times. Always works

[Thracian]

I've done some pretty reckless and stupid things myself. I've no-one to blame but myself. I expect no sympathy from anyone. If the worst had happened, it would have served me right.

My sister is a trauma councillor and what she says suggests that not everyone is as brave and philosophical as you.

And remembering you as such a singularly smashing person, I wonder how much sympathy you would give to anyone close to you who did something stupid and perhaps survived but suffered pain, Heaven forbid.

Yes I understand the graffitti lads probably weren't known to anyone on the forum. But I still feel for anyone who might have been close to them.

It's a dreadful price for young people to pay for expressive idiocy and for mocking the law a bit.

Ironically they will probably be remembered more in death than ever they or their art would have been otherwise.

[Webbo]

I actually thought of it shortly after the first post, but no one posted in here for the rest of evening, and I didn't want to post twice in a row, as it would make the bad pun look even worse.

no it wouldn't, honest.

[Guest]

My sister is a trauma councillor and what she says suggests that not everyone is as brave and philosophical as you.

And remembering you as such a singularly smashing person, I wonder how much sympathy you would give to anyone close to you who did something stupid and perhaps survived but suffered pain, Heaven forbid.

Yes I understand the graffitti lads probably weren't known to anyone on the forum. But I still feel for anyone who might have been close to them.

It's a dreadful price for young people to pay for expressive idiocy and for mocking the law a bit.

Ironically they will probably be remembered more in death than ever they or their art would have been otherwise.

I got a book for Christmas, it's a load of self-discovery philosophical quizzes. One of the tests was based more around morality. There were questions that were designed to test whether or not your morals changed based upon both familial and geographical proximity. Unsurprisingly, I judge everyone the same. Hopefully, I'll be a law lord yet!

For the record, I have no sympathy for the two guys killed, but I do actually feel for the families. The selfish way in which these two guys behaved makes my blood boil. They acted with no thought or consideration for those who love them. It's this reasoning that makes me such a good girl! I just didn't mention it.

[Thracian]

I got a book for Christmas, it's a load of self-discovery philosophical quizzes. One of the tests was based more around morality. There were questions that were designed to test whether or not your morals changed based upon both familial and geographical proximity. Unsurprisingly, I judge everyone the same. Hopefully, I'll be a law lord yet!

For the record, I have no sympathy for the two guys killed, but I do actually feel for the families. The selfish way in which these two guys behaved makes my blood boil. They acted with no thought or consideration for those who love them. It's this reasoning that makes me such a good girl! I just didn't mention it.

Mmmmm. If everyone was so selfless as to never take risks out of concern for their closest all the risk, challenge and adventure would disappear from life.

To my mind the secret of life is not how long you live but how much you live within the time you get. Doesn't make it easier if something goes wrong for someone close, stupid or otherwise.

[Guest]

Mmmmm. If everyone was so selfless as to never take risks out of concern for their closest all the risk, challenge and adventure would disappear from life.

To my mind the secret of life is not how long you live but how much you live within the time you get. Doesn't make it easier if something goes wrong for someone close, stupid or otherwise.

That's the whole thing. Like I say, I have taken the most stupidest risks, however, most of the time I have appreciated those risks. That's where the excitement comes from. You don't get an adrenelin rush otherwise. I think the point I'm making is that I would not expect any sympathy if it went wrong, and I have personally done these things with no regard to anyone else, so why should I deserve any sympathy? And so I judge by my own standards.

Do as I say, not as I do, my dad used to say. Before allowing me to sneak off and do whatever it was me mother forbade me to do.

[cisono]

Feel sorry for their families but no sympathy for them.

Link

Just sad in my books.

Sad they pulled such a stunt.

Sad some innocent driver killed them.

Sad for their families (unless they put them up to it )

[Rincewind]

Not a parent myself but I would imagine that telling a teenage son not to do something because it is stupid, dangerous and selfish would make the lad want to do it. Firstly in defiance against an 'oldie' who never lets them have any fun and secondly because they want to find out for themselves. They may not be able to believe that this fella suffering with severe hair loss whose one hilight of the week is a game of darts at the local and then cuddling up to his mum afterwards with a mug of coffee, could have ever done anything reckless in his life so does not know what he's talking about..

I myself have never done anything reckless when young. Not because I was sensible but I was not the adventurous the type. I remember my brothers and friends being on top of the shed roof between neigbours houses sometimes jumping from one to anothe climbing up drainpipes and other stuff. They didn't sit down and acess the risk factor, they just did it.

Perhaps those lads thought there was enough room when the train came The width of the train gap or themselves would not be something that occurred to them beforehand. They expected to go in to whatever they wanted and get out. They may have even worked out how much time they had but mis judgded this one.

[lookwhaticando]

Coincidentally, I bought a book about the Darwin Awards.

It's quite fascinating really, tales of people who have systematically removed themselves from the gene pool.

Tales such as the religious leader who had been practising for years to walk on water, only to slip on a bar of soap in his bath tub during a practice session.

Natural selection in action.

Thing is, as the book points out, some people make stupid decisions from time to time and it nearly costs them dearly - and they look back and realize their stupidity. Thing is, the dangers may not have been so obvious beforehand. The Darwin Awards are mostly about the people who ignored the most obvious signs of danger anyway.

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As for the Steve Irwin special mention - yeah, some people make a living out of taking risks each and every day. Steve Irwin was one of them. He wasn't your run-of-the-mill village idiot, though. This guy has, for many many years, been so close to nature in all it's forms. He was well aware of all the risks surrounding his endeavours. If he wasn't so aware of the risks, he wouldn't have made a living out of it for as long as he did. When you consider the animals he's taken on over the course of his lifetime, it can't be pure luck that he got away with is 99.999999% of the time. He knew the risks, he had to be clever about what he did. The man knew what he was doing. Suffice to say, I couldn't walk up behind a poisonous snake and grab it without being injured in the process. He could - because he was used to the dangers, and he knew how to handle them.

Stunt actors by very definition do risky things day in day out, and risks in their line of work are obvious too. They're aware of the risks and do everything they can to minimize the risks. Same thing applies - I couldn't recreate the visual illusion of being blown out of a skyscraper without injuring myself. Even with all the safety gear they have, I'd still injure myself as I'm not trained in how to fall etc etc.

People walk on railways every day, all over the world - they work on the railway system. Again, they know the risks and take measures to minimize those risks. They're not idiots, they're not stupid, they know the dangers and they do something about it.

The two lads who got flattened by a train... they were idiots. They either knew the risks and ignored them, or they weren't aware of the risks at all (though how many people in their late teens or early 20s don't think a railway is a dangerous place to be?). Result? They're dead.

The might even qualify for a Darwin Award.

[Thracian]

That's the whole thing. Like I say, I have taken the most stupidest risks, however, most of the time I have appreciated those risks. That's where the excitement comes from. You don't get an adrenelin rush otherwise. I think the point I'm making is that I would not expect any sympathy if it went wrong, and I have personally done these things with no regard to anyone else, so why should I deserve any sympathy? And so I judge by my own standards.

Do as I say, not as I do, my dad used to say. Before allowing me to sneak off and do whatever it was me mother forbade me to do.

A phrase of my father too in exactly that way!

And the reason I suppose why, on reflection, my "warnings" were more tips on staying safe (non-slip shoes, always take a friend) rather than given in the belief or indeed intention that said son would abandon his adventures.