Lineker's Left Foot Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 After reading the media reports of six plotters willing to blow up parts of London in a suicide bid, I personally believe that anybody wishing to do this, in a country that is more than likely enabled their families to have sought asylum in the past, should be kicked out. This is regardless of whether they'll be tortured in their own country. If this is how certain individuals are going to treat our kindness and generosity then obviously they couldn't care less about western ideals anyway. They must be hypocrits if they criticise Western values, but want to live in them. What do others think on this issue. And before the PC brigade moan, I am not racist.
The People's Hero Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 After reading the media reports of six plotters willing to blow up parts of London in a suicide bid, I personally believe that anybody wishing to do this, in a country that is more than likely enabled their families to have sought asylum in the past, should be kicked out. This is regardless of whether they'll be tortured in their own country. If this is how certain individuals are going to treat our kindness and generosity then obviously they couldn't care less about western ideals anyway. They must be hypocrits if they criticise Western values, but want to live in them. What do others think on this issue. And before the PC brigade moan, I am not racist. I absolutely agree with you. Having said that.... and I know you're not getting at this... but let's not confuse the issue of immigration with the problem of 'clashing' religions/cultures. It plays it's part though. Did anyone see panorama (I think it was) last night?
Dr The Singh Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 I absolutely agree with you. Having said that.... and I know you're not getting at this... but let's not confuse the issue of immigration with the problem of 'clashing' religions/cultures. It plays it's part though. Did anyone see panorama (I think it was) last night? No but I did watch Dispatches on Channel 4 though!!! It is a problem, but as the majority are law abiding and genuine, it's a very difficult task in identifiying and resolving the issue!!
The People's Hero Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 No but I did watch Dispatches on Channel 4 though!!! It is a problem, but as the majority are law abiding and genuine, it's a very difficult task in identifiying and resolving the issue!! That's the badger.
Dr The Singh Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 That's the badger. Saudi funding has been going on for years, so that was nothing new, what really got my tits upwas the hyprocasy and 2 faced manner of the so called 'moderate' clerics and mosques which turned a blind eye to such hatred towards non muslims!!! They are a shame to the majority of muslims!!!
The People's Hero Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 In life, you get good eggs and bad eggs. You're a good egg, I'm a good egg, Iwan Roberts is a fine example of an egg to be cherished by many... these anti-everyone-else extreme fundamentalists are bad eggs.
Dr The Singh Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 In life, you get good eggs and bad eggs. You're a good egg, I'm a good egg, Iwan Roberts is a fine example of an egg to be cherished by many... these anti-everyone-else extreme fundamentalists are bad eggs. I suppose your right, it's just that there seems to be many more bad eggs around!!!
The People's Hero Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 I suppose your right, it's just that there seems to be many more bad eggs around!!! You've gotta sort the good fruit.... from the bad fruit. Actually that sounds a bit separatists and exclusionary. Perhaps I'm a closet fundamentalist of some description.
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 16 January 2007 Author Posted 16 January 2007 I believe that it's the duty of the 90% law abiding Muslims in the Mosques to inform the rest of society about any suspicious goings-on.
Lord Nibblington Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 You've gotta sort the good fruit.... from the bad fruit. Actually that sounds a bit separatists and exclusionary. Perhaps I'm a closet fundamentalist of some description. You're a closet something of some description.
Leonisco Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 No but I did watch Dispatches on Channel 4 though!!! It is a problem, but as the majority are law abiding and genuine, it's a very difficult task in identifiying and resolving the issue!! I saw that too - was absolutely horrified at the attitudes of some of those imams. They're a disgrace and should be immediately deported. However, at the same time it shouldn't be forgotten that this kind of thing isn't restricted to a few Muslims - you get them in every religion, culture, country etc. Just look at the BNP, and I'm sure most religions have these kind of groups aswell - it's just that Muslims are more in the spotlight.
The People's Hero Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 I'm a closet closet. I'm really a closet, but I'm worried about letting on and coming out of the closet (me) if you know what I mean. So really I'm a closet within a closet. And that's HOW. For now.
Lord Nibblington Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 I'm a closet closet. I'm really a closet, but I'm worried about letting on and coming out of the closet (me) if you know what I mean. So really I'm a closet within a closet. And that's HOW. For now. Educational as ever. Mmm. Quite.
The People's Hero Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 Educational as ever. Mmm. Quite. As Fred Dibnah would say 'you don't get many of those to the pound' and he's dead right you know, dead right.
Head Honcho Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 After reading the media reports of six plotters willing to blow up parts of London in a suicide bid, I personally believe that anybody wishing to do this, in a country that is more than likely enabled their families to have sought asylum in the past, should be kicked out. This is regardless of whether they'll be tortured in their own country. If this is how certain individuals are going to treat our kindness and generosity then obviously they couldn't care less about western ideals anyway. They must be hypocrits if they criticise Western values, but want to live in them. What do others think on this issue. And before the PC brigade moan, I am not racist. It's no coincidence that three of the six plotters on trial, used to pray at the Mosque in Finsbury Park where Abu Hamza was Imam. I'm led to believe that for this reason, they were put under surveillance, yet they still managed to attempt mass murder in the capital and if it wasn't for their incompetence would have succeded. Which begs the question wtf were MI5 doing while all this was being plotted? I know I'm being a bit harsh on MI5 because there are many plots they have foiled, but you'd think if someone was being watched they could never have got anywhere near buying the amount of peroxide needed for the attacks!
lookwhaticando Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 It's no coincidence that three of the six plotters on trial, used to pray at the Mosque in Finsbury Park where Abu Hamza was Imam. I'm led to believe that for this reason, they were put under surveillance, yet they still managed to attempt mass murder in the capital and if it wasn't for their incompetence would have succeded. Which begs the question wtf were MI5 doing while all this was being plotted? I know I'm being a bit harsh on MI5 because there are many plots they have foiled, but you'd think if someone was being watched they could never have got anywhere near buying the amount of peroxide needed for the attacks! The Security Services have to be lucky all of the time to foil plotters. The plotters have to get lucky just once to kill scores of people. The Services work hard to foil such plots, but as much as they do know, they don't know every last detail about the people under surveillance. If that did, it would be so much easier. What you have to consider, also, is the fact that the Security Services are playing by the rules. A handful of extremists with bombs strapped on their backs aren't playing by the rules. Constrained by the rule of law and their operational guidelines, MI5 is always up against it when trying to catch extremists. That's the way it goes.
Daggers Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 Innocent until proven guilty - it's the crucial part of our judicial system
davieG Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 The Security Services have to be lucky all of the time to foil plotters. The plotters have to get lucky just once to kill scores of people. The Services work hard to foil such plots, but as much as they do know, they don't know every last detail about the people under surveillance. If that did, it would be so much easier. What you have to consider, also, is the fact that the Security Services are playing by the rules. A handful of extremists with bombs strapped on their backs aren't playing by the rules. Constrained by the rule of law and their operational guidelines, MI5 is always up against it when trying to catch extremists. That's the way it goes. Add to that getting evidence that is acceptable to the courts and obtained in a 'fair' way.
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 16 January 2007 Author Posted 16 January 2007 I know somebody who is a member of the BNP and he believes that the reason they've gone quiet at the moment is because there's a large split within the party. Some members have become more 'hardcore' and plan bombings of their own against Muslims (not suicide bombs) but just ones similar to the nail bomber of Brixton in the '90s. Don't quote me on it however.
lookwhaticando Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 It would not surprise me one bit if there was some form of retaliation. BNP or not, someone's likely to hit back at some point. That's dangerous, electorally, as the BNP could claim their 'tough' stance on immigration could have prevented such a domestic war.
Dr The Singh Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 I know somebody who is a member of the BNP and he believes that the reason they've gone quiet at the moment is because there's a large split within the party. Some members have become more 'hardcore' and plan bombings of their own against Muslims (not suicide bombs) but just ones similar to the nail bomber of Brixton in the '90s. Don't quote me on it however. Frightening!!! PLus it will only backfire on the BNP, the party is slowly becomming acceptable by many, this sort of action would take them back to square one!!!
Trumpet Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 After reading the media reports of six plotters willing to blow up parts of London in a suicide bid, I personally believe that anybody wishing to do this, in a country that is more than likely enabled their families to have sought asylum in the past, should be kicked out. This is regardless of whether they'll be tortured in their own country. If this is how certain individuals are going to treat our kindness and generosity then obviously they couldn't care less about western ideals anyway. They must be hypocrits if they criticise Western values, but want to live in them. What do others think on this issue. And before the PC brigade moan, I am not racist. Couldnt agree more, a few hundred years ago people who plotted like this would be hung... edit - infact not just muslims, anyone... although i personally am yet to come across any other religion wanting to blow up British citizens, probably just my ignorance though.
Steven Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 Couldnt agree more, a few hundred years ago people who plotted like this would be hung... edit - infact not just muslims, anyone... although i personally am yet to come across any other religion wanting to blow up British citizens, probably just my ignorance though. ... and that has had an obvious deterrent effect.
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