Trumpet Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 ... and that has had an obvious deterrent effect. Im in no means for that, just saying how times have changed and all this PC garbage weve got now..
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 16 January 2007 Author Posted 16 January 2007 The problem is, I want to know who these people are in the PC brigade and bring them onto the Question Time programme and lets have a debate seeing if they can justify their ideology. We never see them though do we. Do they really exist???
Webbo Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 Frightening!!! PLus it will only backfire on the BNP, the party is slowly becomming acceptable by many, this sort of action would take them back to square one!!! not really, they're just a protest vote against the pc brigade. if they ever had any chance of getting in hardly anyone would vote for them.(does that make sense? any way you know what i mean).
Head Honcho Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 not really, they're just a protest vote against the pc brigade. if they ever had any chance of getting in hardly anyone would vote for them.(does that make sense? any way you know what i mean). That's exactly what people said about The Party of Serbian Unity prior to the war in The Balkans and look what happened!
Lineker's Left Foot Posted 16 January 2007 Author Posted 16 January 2007 Put it like this. If current events keep happening, they will become one of the three main parties in Britain.
Webbo Posted 16 January 2007 Posted 16 January 2007 Put it like this. If current events keep happening, they will become one of the three main parties in Britain. i really hope your wrong.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 You have to ask why they want to bomb stuff though. If it's because of the English government's stance on Iraq War - don't take it out on civs (those very civs may support your stance), take it out on MPs. If it's because of cultural differences... that's not even a reason. They should pull their heads in and realise that they're living in a country that mightn't share their core beliefs, but does seek to accept them.
Dellyjo Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 It would not surprise me one bit if there was some form of retaliation. BNP or not, someone's likely to hit back at some point. That's dangerous, electorally, as the BNP could claim their 'tough' stance on immigration could have prevented such a domestic war. We could end up in a 'tit for tat' situation which I really hope does not happen. I have never been able to understand why Islam, as one of the most peaceful regions in the world, attracts so many fantanics.
Janx Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 We could end up in a 'tit for tat' situation which I really hope does not happen. I have never been able to understand why Islam, as one of the most peaceful regions in the world, attracts so many fantanics. Jihad.... most "western" religions dont have it.
MC Prussian Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 Jihad.... most "western" religions dont have it. Well, we actually did... ... about 800 years ago.
Dr The Singh Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 Jihad.... most "western" religions dont have it. There is no such thing as western religion Janx, all major religions were formed in the middle east or Asia!! In saying that I know other religion that has an equivalent word for jihad (struggle against non muslims) but many religions have used other excuses for there ignorant behaviour and still do!!!
Lemon Harpic Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 one of the most peaceful regions in the world Erm... 2:216 Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not. 2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.2:244 Fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearer, Knower. 4:74 Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.4:76 Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of idols. So fight the minions of the devil.4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,7:4 How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.8:17 Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower.9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.9:73 O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.9:123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). And so on... The scary thing is that, even though Islam is patently very violent and warlike, Dellyjo is still probably right to say that it ranks as one of the most peaceful religions.
MC Prussian Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 Not another Qu'oran debate, please. I've just finished recovering from the last one. Whatever's been (re-)written in the so-called Holy Books, whatever religion it may be, is subject to heavy (mis-)interpretation and individual choice. End of debate.
Lemon Harpic Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 Not another Qu'oran debate, please. I've just finished recovering from the last one. Whatever's been (re-)written in the so-called Holy Books, whatever religion it may be, is subject to heavy (mis-)interpretation and individual choice. End of debate. Yeah, right! You don't get to end a debate just by saying 'End of debate". That's not how it works. If Islam really is a fluffy, innocent and lovely religion, then "Warfare is ordained for you" is an unfortunate choice of words. Hopefully, it won't lead to a debate anyway. I doubt anyone here will read those excerpts from the Koran and still conclude that Islam is a peaceful religion?
Ultra Posted 17 January 2007 Posted 17 January 2007 Put it like this. If current events keep happening, they will become one of the three main parties in Britain. Not a hope. They attract protest votes, but in areas where they've been elected onto local councils they've been completely ineffective. A few of their councillors have also picked up convictions for stuff like domestic violence and benefit fraud. In any case, there are many with BNP/NF sympathies who end up moving to the Tories, as happened in 79...
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 18 January 2007 Posted 18 January 2007 And so on... I could pull some nasties from the bible, doesn't mean we go around sacrificing people on altars now does it?
Lemon Harpic Posted 19 January 2007 Posted 19 January 2007 I could pull some nasties from the bible, doesn't mean we go around sacrificing people on altars now does it? Warfare is ordained for you. By God. Try as I might, I just cannot fit that in with a 'peaceful' religion.
Webbo Posted 19 January 2007 Posted 19 January 2007 Not a hope. They attract protest votes, but in areas where they've been elected onto local councils they've been completely ineffective. A few of their councillors have also picked up convictions for stuff like domestic violence and benefit fraud. In any case, there are many with BNP/NF sympathies who end up moving to the Tories, as happened in 79... it always amazes me how people assume that BNP voters are closet tories or vice versa. the council seats that the BNP hold are all in the roughest council wards where the tories would never dare go and have never held. in my experience more labour voters are racist than tory.
Thracian Posted 19 January 2007 Posted 19 January 2007 it always amazes me how people assume that BNP voters are closet tories or vice versa. the council seats that the BNP hold are all in the roughest council wards where the tories would never dare go and have never held. in my experience more labour voters are racist than tory. It suits some people to say that ffuter. Truth doesn't have to come into it. .
Head Honcho Posted 19 January 2007 Posted 19 January 2007 it always amazes me how people assume that BNP voters are closet tories or vice versa. the council seats that the BNP hold are all in the roughest council wards where the tories would never dare go and have never held. in my experience more labour voters are racist than tory. I think it's a safe bet, that the tories have never lost a seat to the BNP
DB11 Posted 19 January 2007 Posted 19 January 2007 After reading the media reports of six plotters willing to blow up parts of London in a suicide bid, I personally believe that anybody wishing to do this, in a country that is more than likely enabled their families to have sought asylum in the past, should be kicked out. This is regardless of whether they'll be tortured in their own country. If this is how certain individuals are going to treat our kindness and generosity then obviously they couldn't care less about western ideals anyway. They must be hypocrits if they criticise Western values, but want to live in them. What do others think on this issue. And before the PC brigade moan, I am not racist. Kicked out? They should be placed in a secure building with a bomb strapped around them and then blown up!
Daggers Posted 20 January 2007 Posted 20 January 2007 it always amazes me how people assume that BNP voters are closet tories or vice versa. the council seats that the BNP hold are all in the roughest council wards where the tories would never dare go and have never held. in my experience more labour voters are racist than tory. Tory are you?
Rincewind Posted 20 January 2007 Posted 20 January 2007 There is also a reason why the BNP and NF attract more votes in the roughest areas. These are the people are are more easily converted. A typical one would visit the employment office, collect his fortnightly dole money then go in the nearest pub. After six pints of Carling and buying a bargain DVD player from a bloke who just happened to have one in a holdall he drives home narrowly missing two bloody cyclists who should not be on the road he arrives home to his unemployed wife son and pregnant unmarried unemployed teenage daughter. So when the BNP candidate comes knocking on his door and tells him he didn't get that surgeons job he went after was because of all the immigrants and 84 year old Mr Yasuf is plotting a wave of bombings it all becomes clear to him. The reason why can't get a job was not as he was told his low IQ or his convictions for drink driving but because of the immigration laws.
Suffolk_fox Posted 20 January 2007 Posted 20 January 2007 not really, they're just a protest vote against the pc brigade. if they ever had any chance of getting in hardly anyone would vote for them.(does that make sense? any way you know what i mean). Many people said that before they would never get a council seat, and then what happened... That's exactly what people said about The Party of Serbian Unity prior to the war in The Balkans and look what happened! And The National Party in Germany, late 1930's caused a bit of a stir... You have to ask why they want to bomb stuff though.If it's because of the English government's stance on Iraq War - don't take it out on civs (those very civs may support your stance), take it out on MPs. If it's because of cultural differences... that's not even a reason. They should pull their heads in and realise that they're living in a country that mightn't share their core beliefs, but does seek to accept them. Remember, 9/11 predated the second Gulf War. I often wonder what makes suicide bombers tick... There is also a reason why the BNP and NF attract more votes in the roughest areas. These are the people are are more easily converted. A typical one would visit the employment office, collect his fortnightly dole money then go in the nearest pub. After six pints of Carling and buying a bargain DVD player from a bloke who just happened to have one in a holdall he drives home narrowly missing two bloody cyclists who should not be on the road he arrives home to his unemployed wife son and pregnant unmarried unemployed teenage daughter. So when the BNP candidate comes knocking on his door and tells him he didn't get that surgeons job he went after was because of all the immigrants and 84 year old Mr Yasuf is plotting a wave of bombings it all becomes clear to him. The reason why can't get a job was not as he was told his low IQ or his convictions for drink driving but because of the immigration laws. Also, assylum seekers are more often placed in rough (and therefore cheap) areas. Not many of them are placed in places like Richmond or Westminster Sorry for the length of the post, but many replies to be made.
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