Ric Flair Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 He's got to go, right now. I don't even care if Mandaric hasn't got anyone lined up yet. Kelly is taking us down if we stick with him. I can't see where our next point is coming from and the longer we go without getting any points and the more pressure lumped on Nob and the players, is going to make it very likely that we'll crash and burn. Nob know's he's going in the sumemr and every defeat is a further nail in to his coffin, the players know he's going and know they are likely to be going. It's a real problem. Where do we get those extra few points needed from? Can we buy them off a few teams in the closing stages of the season? Pay Norwich £500,000 not to turn up? I'm being serious, we are no way near safe. I'd get Newell in now. Ideally i'd rather we go for someone more higher profile, but we aren't in a position to wait. It will have to be a manager out of work, I can't see us tempting a decent manager currently at a club to us at this stage of the season. Please, please, please Milan. Get rid of Robert. He's conned the fans by being nice, use your ruthless nature and bounce him and that prat in the shorts out of here quickly. That is all.
Phlashman Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 What's Milan's record with changing managers? Is he the type that goes and gets the new guy lined up so the switchover is instant or does he sack a manager, put a temp in place while finalising a new guy?
Ric Flair Posted 2 April 2007 Author Posted 2 April 2007 What's Milan's record with changing managers? Is he the type that goes and gets the new guy lined up so the switchover is instant or does he sack a manager, put a temp in place while finalising a new guy? Not too sure. I know Joe Jordan has been caretaker manager down there a few times, so I think Mandraic is often rash in getting rid of a manager before having an idea who he wants in as the new man.
James. Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 I still think we should wait until the end of the season. If you look at the table 4 points should be enough to stay up. 4 points from 7 games (including 4 at home) HAS to be within our grasp. Especially considering the rubbish below us. I don't want a knee-jerk reaction now that means we sacrifice the opportunity to get the right manager in the summer.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 Not too sure. I know Joe Jordan has been caretaker manager down there a few times, so I think Mandraic is often rash in getting rid of a manager before having an idea who he wants in as the new man. Zajec, Perrin... I reckon he just sticks a pin in the phone book.
Ric Flair Posted 2 April 2007 Author Posted 2 April 2007 I still think we should wait until the end of the season. If you look at the table 4 points should be enough to stay up. 4 points from 7 games (including 4 at home) HAS to be within our grasp. Especially considering the rubbish below us.I don't want a knee-jerk reaction now that means we sacrifice the opportunity to get the right manager in the summer. But as i've said. The pressure will mount so much every time we lose another game. It's going to have an even bigger adverse reaction to the players. Nob know's he's going, they know they are going. It's horrible. Get a new man in and the players know they've got the chance to fight for their careers at Leicester. Zajec, Perrin...I reckon he just sticks a pin in the phone book. Or helps himself to 2 litres of cheap Vodka and then rings up 118 118 and asks to be put through to a crap manager.
FrankieWorthoYaggedMyWife Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 But as i've said. The pressure will mount so much every time we lose another game. It's going to have an even bigger adverse reaction to the players. Nob know's he's going, they know they are going. It's horrible.Get a new man in and the players know they've got the chance to fight for their careers at Leicester. Or helps himself to 2 litres of cheap Vodka and then rings up 118 118 and asks to be put through to a crap manager. The vodka idea has potential!!!
Manwell Pablo Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 He's got to go, right now. I don't even care if Mandaric hasn't got anyone lined up yet. Kelly is taking us down if we stick with him. I can't see where our next point is coming from and the longer we go without getting any points and the more pressure lumped on Nob and the players, is going to make it very likely that we'll crash and burn.Nob know's he's going in the sumemr and every defeat is a further nail in to his coffin, the players know he's going and know they are likely to be going. It's a real problem. Where do we get those extra few points needed from? Can we buy them off a few teams in the closing stages of the season? Pay Norwich £500,000 not to turn up? I'm being serious, we are no way near safe. I'd get Newell in now. Ideally i'd rather we go for someone more higher profile, but we aren't in a position to wait. It will have to be a manager out of work, I can't see us tempting a decent manager currently at a club to us at this stage of the season. Please, please, please Milan. Get rid of Robert. He's conned the fans by being nice, use your ruthless nature and bounce him and that prat in the shorts out of here quickly. That is all. I have to say I agree, Rob is a dead man walking and he may as well leave now.
City Lad Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 What's Milan's record with changing managers? Is he the type that goes and gets the new guy lined up so the switchover is instant or does he sack a manager, put a temp in place while finalising a new guy? Rob has to go, we all know that but Milan, at times does not make the right change. (Alain Perrin for example - almost got Pompy relegated) Milans Pompey Manager's: Alan Ball Tony Pulis Steve Claridge Graham Rix Harry Redknapp Velimir Zajec Alain Perrin, Harry Redknapp
Simon Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 I actually think that if Milan doesn't do the deed today it will happen some time this week (definitely if we lose against Derby). RK's been a dead man walking for a long time now. Everyone can see that the club's gone backwards not forwards under his stewardship (not going to call it leadership as that would be wrong). In fact if he hasn't done it by the Derby game we should have a demo after the match. Rather than all these half arsed boos and hisses after the match we need to tell Milan how we all feel about things.
breadandcheese Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 I think as soon as we are safe, Rob will go. It will be in the interests of both parties as to the outside world, Rob will look like he was harshly treated, thus preserving his little reputation for his future job search. For us, it will only be beneficial. We are safe and will stay up. Granted, we will stay up with as much style as three legged donkey, but we will stay up. Then the rebuild can start.
Ric Flair Posted 2 April 2007 Author Posted 2 April 2007 I think as soon as we are safe, Rob will go. It will be in the interests of both parties as to the outside world, Rob will look like he was harshly treated, thus preserving his little reputation for his future job search. For us, it will only be beneficial.We are safe and will stay up. Granted, we will stay up with as much style as three legged donkey, but we will stay up. Then the rebuild can start. We aren't safe yet and won't be safe under Nob. He's a nice enough chap and what he did for us last season was brilliant and he'll always be thanked for that. But he has to go, he's lost the plot and will never regain it here.
breadandcheese Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 We aren't safe yet and won't be safe under Nob. He's a nice enough chap and what he did for us last season was brilliant and he'll always be thanked for that. But he has to go, he's lost the plot and will never regain it here. I know we aren't safe yet but other teams about us have just as hard a run-in, with a quite a few teams playing each other. With our goal difference compared to the relegation fighting teams, we might as well be 8 points clear. That's enough of a gap with six games to go, as we should pick up at least another 4 points.
MBK Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 We aren't safe yet and won't be safe under Nob. He's a nice enough chap and what he did for us last season was brilliant and he'll always be thanked for that. But he has to go, he's lost the plot and will never regain it here. I think sending back Horsfield and Yeates would be a start. Drop AJ permanently. Do those things and Kelly has my respect even if we lose next three matches.
Ric Flair Posted 2 April 2007 Author Posted 2 April 2007 I know we aren't safe yet but other teams about us have just as hard a run-in, with a quite a few teams playing each other. With our goal difference compared to the relegation fighting teams, we might as well be 8 points clear. That's enough of a gap with six games to go, as we should pick up at least another 4 points. You might be right, but I wouldn't take the risk. If we lose on Friday, I can see Nob getting binned. Alarm bells are ringing and I can see a Peter Taylor run of results from the 00/01 season. Luckily we'd got enough points before that run to stay up, but have we got enough this time round? Possibly, but it will be grim.
breadandcheese Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 You might be right, but I wouldn't take the risk. If we lose on Friday, I can see Nob getting binned. Alarm bells are ringing and I can see a Peter Taylor run of results from the 00/01 season. Luckily we'd got enough points before that run to stay up, but have we got enough this time round? Possibly, but it will be grim. I'll feel a lot happier about what I think when we reach 50 points. If I'm being honest, I don't care whether Rob Kelly goes now or at the end of the season, just that he goes. He is not good enough, not getting enough out of the players we have, not able to wheel and deal effectively.
Thracian Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 But as i've said. The pressure will mount so much every time we lose another game. It's going to have an even bigger adverse reaction to the players. Nob know's he's going, they know they are going. It's horrible.Get a new man in and the players know they've got the chance to fight for their careers at Leicester. Or helps himself to 2 litres of cheap Vodka and then rings up 118 118 and asks to be put through to a crap manager. I'm with you 100%. At one stage it seemed more sensible to play out the season but that's changed and it's rapidly getting worse. The new man will need all the time he can get and the sooner we pick a team that includes only people we want to keep and people who are coming through the better. Going down the "experienced" road briefly brought some valuable points but the loanees have predictably run out of gas and drive for the cause. Now you wouldn't bet on us beating anyone in the top half of division onelet alone the Championship. The loanees were never good enough for Leicester and weren't loaned out to recover from injuries but because their club's didn't need em or want em and with good cause from what I've seen. We need new impetus and a new ideas and that won't be an easy ask for anyone in today's situation. But hanging around letting the situation get worse is not the answer. Newell is the obvious choice since few but me seem to rate Ince and he might not be available right now anyway.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 Southend will struggle in all of their away matches if they're getting beat 3-0 at Hull and two of their home games are against other teams at the bottom so even if they win them, they're taking points off other relegation candidates. Southend v Colchester, Preston v Southend, Southend v Barnsley, Plymouth v Southend, Southend v Luton, Southampton v Southend. Leeds will be looking at nine points from their home games and nicking a point at Colchester or Southampton to take into the last day. That's 11 points but highly optimistic. They probably won't need that to stay up but they'd need it to overhaul us as I think we'll win one more game this season, possibly Norwich at home. Leeds v Plymouth, Colchester v Leeds, Leeds v Burnley, Southampton v Leeds, Leeds v Ipswich, Derby v Leeds I think Barnsley will struggle. Like Leeds, they won't want to need three points from the last game of the season so might need a couple of cracking home results before they play us. Whether we'll still be in with a chance of going down when we go to Oakwell will be crucial. Ipswich v Barnsley, Barnsley v Birmingham, Southend v Barnsley, Barnsley v Crystal Palace, Barnsley v Leicester, West Brom v Barnsley Can't see QPR winning at Coventry, Sunderland or Wolves. Looking at all these fixtures I reckon they've got the toughest run-in and that victory at our place was so important. Still might not be enough. QPR v Preston, Coventry v QPR, QPR v Luton, Sunderland v QPR, QPR v Cardiff, Wolverhampton v QPR, QPR v Stoke Tough last three games for Burnley but if they don't get enough points out of Plymouth, Cardiff, Norwich and Coventry at home then they deserve to go down. I think they'll scrape it. Could do with remembering you are allowed to win games though. Burnley v Plymouth, Birmingham v Burnley, Burnley v Cardiff, Leeds v Burnley, Burnley v Norwich, Burnley v West Brom, Sunderland v Burnley, Burnley v Coventry Luton are screwed. Luton v Southampton, QPR v Luton, Luton v Plymouth, Derby v Luton, Southend v Luton, Luton v Sunderland Hull will be fine. Hull v Norwich, Wolverhampton v Hull, Hull v Colchester, Stoke v Hull, Cardiff v Hull, Hull v Plymouth On paper one of the more difficult run-ins but it rarely works out that clearly. Norwich at home looks the one for me. Think we'll struggle in both games next weekend. Certainly don't want to be going into the last four games still with 46 points. Leicester v Derby, Plymouth v Leicester, Leicester v Norwich, Leicester v Birmingham, Preston v Leicester, Barnsley v Leicester, Leicester v Wolverhampton
The People's Hero Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 We'll roll over against Barnsley. I'm travelling miles to get there so we're bound to. We relegated them from the prem that year and it's time we did them a favour and perhaps consigned Leeds to a year in League One.
Fox in a Box Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 Southend will struggle in all of their away matches if they're getting beat 3-0 at Hull and two of their home games are against other teams at the bottom so even if they win them, they're taking points off other relegation candidates.Southend v Colchester, Preston v Southend, Southend v Barnsley, Plymouth v Southend, Southend v Luton, Southampton v Southend. Leeds will be looking at nine points from their home games and nicking a point at Colchester or Southampton to take into the last day. That's 11 points but highly optimistic. They probably won't need that to stay up but they'd need it to overhaul us as I think we'll win one more game this season, possibly Norwich at home. Leeds v Plymouth, Colchester v Leeds, Leeds v Burnley, Southampton v Leeds, Leeds v Ipswich, Derby v Leeds I think Barnsley will struggle. Like Leeds, they won't want to need three points from the last game of the season so might need a couple of cracking home results before they play us. Whether we'll still be in with a chance of going down when we go to Oakwell will be crucial. Ipswich v Barnsley, Barnsley v Birmingham, Southend v Barnsley, Barnsley v Crystal Palace, Barnsley v Leicester, West Brom v Barnsley Can't see QPR winning at Coventry, Sunderland or Wolves. Looking at all these fixtures I reckon they've got the toughest run-in and that victory at our place was so important. Still might not be enough. QPR v Preston, Coventry v QPR, QPR v Luton, Sunderland v QPR, QPR v Cardiff, Wolverhampton v QPR, QPR v Stoke Tough last three games for Burnley but if they don't get enough points out of Plymouth, Cardiff, Norwich and Coventry at home then they deserve to go down. I think they'll scrape it. Could do with remembering you are allowed to win games though. Burnley v Plymouth, Birmingham v Burnley, Burnley v Cardiff, Leeds v Burnley, Burnley v Norwich, Burnley v West Brom, Sunderland v Burnley, Burnley v Coventry Luton are screwed. Luton v Southampton, QPR v Luton, Luton v Plymouth, Derby v Luton, Southend v Luton, Luton v Sunderland Hull will be fine. Hull v Norwich, Wolverhampton v Hull, Hull v Colchester, Stoke v Hull, Cardiff v Hull, Hull v Plymouth On paper one of the more difficult run-ins but it rarely works out that clearly. Norwich at home looks the one for me. Think we'll struggle in both games next weekend. Certainly don't want to be going into the last four games still with 46 points. Leicester v Derby, Plymouth v Leicester, Leicester v Norwich, Leicester v Birmingham, Preston v Leicester, Barnsley v Leicester, Leicester v Wolverhampton Unsure about Derby, I think there too strong but i could see a draw... We will draw with Norwich, Wolves We will beat Barnsley 5pts total Bottom 3 Barnsley or Leeds Southend Luton
James. Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 This still feels a bit short-termist to me. I don't want to accept "any manager that is free right now => Newell" if it harms our longer term success. Things are grim but I agree with breadandcheese in that I really can't see us going down. It may be a close-call and we may hate Kelly even more than we do now by the end of the season but relegation? Nope. I'd rather Milan took his time with the choice of manager (especially given his slightly eccentric past) rather than getting someone in now as a quick-fix.
Simi Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 This still feels a bit short-termist to me. I don't want to accept "any manager that is free right now => Newell" if it harms our longer term success. Things are grim but I agree with breadandcheese in that I really can't see us going down. It may be a close-call and we may hate Kelly even more than we do now by the end of the season but relegation? Nope. I'd rather Milan took his time with the choice of manager (especially given his slightly eccentric past) rather than getting someone in now as a quick-fix. Good point, I thought we could give Kelly until the end on the season but lately the situation has just not improved at all. If Milan wants to protect his investment I can't see him gambling on Kelly getting us relegated. If whatsome people have said is true, Newell is definately going to be the next manager and if he is why wait. Get him in and give him a chance to look at the players and decide who needs to go. Plus the 'hooneymoon' period after a new manager comes in should just stear us away enough .
Fez of Mahrez Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 I'd like to state for the record that I think Newell would do a very decent job here and I don't think it would be a bad move at all to bring him in. Just because he's out of a job at the moment, people seem to think we can do a lot better. I struggle to see what Luton have gained by sacking him. Don't let your opinions be led by a shocking board of directors at another club.
Simi Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 I'd like to state for the record that I think Newell would do a very decent job here and I don't think it would be a bad move at all to bring him in. Just because he's out of a job at the moment, people seem to think we can do a lot better. I struggle to see what Luton have gained by sacking him. Don't let your opinions be led by a shocking board of directors at another club. I'd b happy with Newell to. He's been linked with higher profile jobs than ours. Until he was forced to seel all of his better players he was doing a solid job there considering where they had been in the season prior to this.
breadandcheese Posted 2 April 2007 Posted 2 April 2007 I'd like to state for the record that I think Newell would do a very decent job here and I don't think it would be a bad move at all to bring him in. Just because he's out of a job at the moment, people seem to think we can do a lot better. I struggle to see what Luton have gained by sacking him. Don't let your opinions be led by a shocking board of directors at another club. I concur, not that my agreement matters.
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