Gené and Tonic Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 Is he keen to leave though? And how long has he got on his contract? Tbh if we get him for less than 1 mil I think it would be the best we could get in England for that sort of money.
Joe. Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 Is he keen to leave though? And how long has he got on his contract?Tbh if we get him for less than 1 mil I think it would be the best we could get in England for that sort of money. Well I'm sure he wouldn't turn down the chance to move up two divisions...
Pete_foxes Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 The thing is we don't really want to sell him and we don't need to either. That will be why the price is top dollar.£2 million might seem a lot of money, but he is a 20+ a season goal scorer which is pretty hard to come by in any division. If we were to replace him with someone of equal callibre, unless we get really lucky again we'll be having to fork out big money. Yeah, its just if we buy him its all of our transfer kitty gone really, it seems like a big risk to take. Maybe if we got him he would turn out to be a good signing and i'll wonder why I ever doubted. I know he has blistering pace, but i heard has loads of chances, but lacks some finishing ability i know hes scored 20+ but I heard he has like 6 chances and scores one of them? could u clear this up for me by any chance
Mort Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 £2 million might seem a lot of money, but he is a 20+ a season goal scorer which is pretty hard to come by in any division. Big differnce between scoring that number of goals in League Two and scoring a respectable tally further up the leagues... no league two player is worth that kind of cash, he scored a fair few goals in League One and that lends some credence to him commanding a signficant fee but still not that kind of cash.
RedOnRed Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 Is he keen to leave though? And how long has he got on his contract?Tbh if we get him for less than 1 mil I think it would be the best we could get in England for that sort of money. For well over a year now there's been speculation about him leaving. This time last year there were a number of clubs that were supposedly showing interest in him, most notably Glenn Hoddle's Wolves, but I think the fee's always put them off. A year ago that was £1 million. Allen joined us a year ago and McLeod knuckled down and got loads of goals for us. Another manager probably would have let him go in the January window but Allen refused that opportunity because apparently he let his top goalscorer go in the January window at Brentford and it messed up the rest of their campaign. Does he want to go? Yes he does. He's asked to be put on the tranfer list As far as he goes as a player he's more then capable of getting spectacular goals out of nothing and then the rest of the time he's more then capable of being spectacularly lazy.
rob-blue-fox Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 I read somewhere that we had only offered £300,000. it probably was 300,00 that i read i was half asllep when i was reading it ooopppsss
RedOnRed Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 I know he has blistering pace, but i heard has loads of chances, but lacks some finishing ability i know hes scored 20+ but I heard he has like 6 chances and scores one of them? could u clear this up for me by any chance That would be a fair assessment of him, but in fairness you could probably say that about Rooney, Owen and most other forwards. The bottom line is his overall goal tally which is quite respectable. Big differnce between scoring that number of goals in League Two and scoring a respectable tally further up the leagues... no league two player is worth that kind of cash, he scored a fair few goals in League One and that lends some credence to him commanding a signficant fee but still not that kind of cash. Fair point, but when you think that Arsenal paid Southampton £5 million up front for 16 year old (at the time) Theo Walcott, which could rise to £12 million - it highlights the gamble and risk you have to take sometimes. On the other hand McLeod is a proven goal scorer, but albeit at a lower level.
Ozwin Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 Get a move on City. This players been on our radar for ages.
Pete_foxes Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 That would be a fair assessment of him, but in fairness you could probably say that about Rooney, Owen and most other forwards. The bottom line is his overall goal tally which is quite respectable. yeah, fair. I'm not disputing that hes racked up a good amount. People forget he scored 20 odd in League 1 didn't he? I'm a hipocrit anyway for being sceptical about it, I said we should sign him a year or two back to some friends. See what happens can't judge a player till i've seen him. Annoyed that your board transfer listed him? or right descision?
RedOnRed Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 yeah, fair. I'm not disputing that hes racked up a good amount. People forget he scored 20 odd in League 1 didn't he? I'm a hipocrit anyway for being sceptical about it, I said we should sign him a year or two back to some friends. See what happens can't judge a player till i've seen him. Annoyed that your board transfer listed him? or right descision? He asked to go on the transfer list and the club's policy is not to impede anyone that wants to leave the club and further their career. Hence that's why you get Allen with minimal fuss. Personally, I think that's a fair policy. OK, his goals have been welcome but there's no point in having someone moping about the place that doesn't want to really be there and at the end of the day you can't blame him for wanting to get back in the England frame and playing higher up the leagues.
Pete_foxes Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 He asked to go on the transfer list and the club's policy is not to impede anyone that wants to leave the club and further their career. Hence that's why you get Allen with minimal fuss.Personally, I think that's a fair policy. OK, his goals have been welcome but there's no point in having someone moping about the place that doesn't want to really be there and at the end of the day you can't blame him for wanting to get back in the England frame and playing higher up the leagues. agreed, fair, good policy. Not fair on the player if its going to hinder his development
RedOnRed Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 agreed, fair, good policy. Not fair on the player if its going to hinder his development Sorry, what might hinder his development?
Pete_foxes Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 Sorry, what might hinder his development? I mean if hes playing against better opposition hes going to improve.
RedOnRed Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 I mean if hes playing against better opposition hes going to improve. Personally I wouldn't fork out big money for McLeod. I'm just not convinced he's good enough for you or the Championship. I'm also not convinced that Allen's good enough for you guys either, but that's another story and one I always get unfairly accused of sour grapes for on here.
Pete_foxes Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 I dont know what to make of Allen. we'l see how it pans out. A bad start and he'l be out before he can say Sergio Hellings
RedOnRed Posted 23 June 2007 Posted 23 June 2007 I dont know what to make of Allen. we'l see how it pans out. A bad start and he'l be out before he can say Sergio Hellings You don't need me to to tell you that the Championship's a hard, hard league. Unless Allen hits the ground running I don't think he's got enough in his locker (as they say) to get himself out of a trough or a mess. If you took all of the foreign players out of the Premiership it would probably be on a par with the Championship. My view is that you need a manager in the Championship that either has a proven ability for gaining promotion in the lower leagues or can demonstrate a good track record in the league itself. Allen has neither as a record and there's far too much emphasis being put on his passion and drive instead of his actual record.
city1993 Posted 24 June 2007 Posted 24 June 2007 Hmmm... I'm not sure about this purchase, surely thats a bit of a high price for a league two player, who couldn't get in the sheeps team? But... if he can gel inot our team, because if he does complete the move on tuesday it will give him enough time to get with the players, I suppose he could do alright, but I'm still wary of the price.
RedOnRed Posted 24 June 2007 Posted 24 June 2007 Hmmm... I'm not sure about this purchase, surely thats a bit of a high price for a league two player, who couldn't get in the sheeps team? But... if he can gel inot our team, because if he does complete the move on tuesday it will give him enough time to get with the players, I suppose he could do alright, but I'm still wary of the price. At the end of the day all transfers are a gamble. It doesn't matter how good the player is you just don't know if he will slot into the team. Half the signings Chelsea make seem to have that problem and who knows even Henry might not fit into Barcelona OK. I suppose if you have any confidence in Allen you have to give him the support that after working with McLeod for a season he knows what he's doing. Otherwise he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place really.
MPH Posted 24 June 2007 Posted 24 June 2007 You don't need me to to tell you that the Championship's a hard, hard league. Unless Allen hits the ground running I don't think he's got enough in his locker (as they say) to get himself out of a trough or a mess.If you took all of the foreign players out of the Premiership it would probably be on a par with the Championship. My view is that you need a manager in the Championship that either has a proven ability for gaining promotion in the lower leagues or can demonstrate a good track record in the league itself. Allen has neither as a record and there's far too much emphasis being put on his passion and drive instead of his actual record. Martin O'Niell Didnt really have a glittering career in the championship before he came to us and look where he took us. Am i saying Allen is of the same ability as Oniell is? of course not. in my opinion, very few are, but it can work having him here. It could also be that the money Milan gives Allen could disguise any of his short comings.. I dont think any of us are really that bothered just as long as we get promoted!
RedOnRed Posted 24 June 2007 Posted 24 June 2007 Martin O'Niell Didnt really have a glittering career in the championship before he came to us and look where he took us. Martin O'Neil had proven promotional ability in the lower leagues with Wycombe Wanderers by performing miracles there.
Gené and Tonic Posted 24 June 2007 Posted 24 June 2007 You could say that Allen did the same with Brentford. Soon as he left they just plummeted. I do admit though he has never guided a side to promotion which is a bit of a worry, but tbh with the long line of crap managers we've had to put up with since O'Neill, Allen is a welcome change.
Who ate all the pies? Posted 24 June 2007 Posted 24 June 2007 Success at lower levels doesn't mean a manager will be any good...Peter Taylor proved that as did Mickey Adams, both pretty successful with their clubs but not much cop with us.
Zingari Posted 24 June 2007 Posted 24 June 2007 Success at lower levels doesn't mean a manager will be any good...Peter Taylor proved that as did Mickey Adams, both pretty successful with their clubs but not much cop with us. very true , and PT spent an awful lot of money to prove this.
Gené and Tonic Posted 24 June 2007 Posted 24 June 2007 Yes but you can apply that to any manager. Sir Alex in the Scottish lower leagues, O'Neill as previously mentioned, and then as you say Peter Taylor. Unless you get someone who has been round the block a bit and done it then everything is a gamble (unless we apply Dave Bassett to that situation )
MPH Posted 24 June 2007 Posted 24 June 2007 Martin O'Neil had proven promotional ability in the lower leagues with Wycombe Wanderers by performing miracles there.
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