Theo Janssen

[The People's Hero]

Chocolate makes the world go round, as they say in Israel.

It might not make the world go round, but it's certainly made the blue eyed boy Matty Fryatt 'go round'-er!

And to think, he was such a good player until he turned about... *checks book* ... erm, however old he was last birthday.

And that's exactly why Goalmachine-Doddsy should be given the centre forward roll. More goals than you can shake a finely carved, illegal, ivory figurine at, a delectable swagger, a cheeky smile and to cap it all off, he doesn't like chocolate.

Maybe that's behind the flowers at the training ground or the recent trend of people drinking cider which has been available for years at 2 quid and ignored but is now being lapped up by stupid (for stupid read all those not at LCFC academy) younguns at over £3 a bottle!

[The People's Hero]

Don't think Elvis has had over 200 chances. Nor do I think I've tried to make a case for Elvis being in this season's starting line-up anyway.

The only line-up he's likely to be involved in any time soon is one at a police station after we bin him and he vanishes in to obscurity and starts stealing old lady's handbags.

[Finnegan]

Where did this whole "midfielders HAVE to score goals" mentality come from, by the way? Thracian you know fooking diddly SHIT about this player, what makes you assume he isn't a creative genius?

Goals from midfield might be nice, but you don't measure a midfielder's ability by his finishing. Getting forward and scoring goals can be at the cost of defensive cover and greedy play-makers in the middle are rather an oxymoron.

[Manwell Pablo]

So give me some reasons why this guy who's played a few more than 200 games in approaching 10 seasons and scored 21 goals should be Manna From Heaven for our midfield?.

I've not seen him but presumably you have or is it yet another case of the grass being inevitably greener?.

Anyone can buy players when you've a few quid to waft around - but it would be nice to get people we actually need.

Like a centre-forward, a right winger, another left-back if Sheehan's going to be farmed out to Lincoln etc.

The way we're going we'll have umpteen central midfield players and hardly anyone worth mentioning at all in some positions.

I have.

Do you want to argue with me about it.

[Fez of Mahrez]

But...

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Nope.

You

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right.

I'm

talking

bollocks.

[STUHILL]

But...

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Nope.

You

boys

are

right.

I'm

talking

bollocks.

O ahh Thracian is having a stroke

[Manwell Pablo]

Where did this whole "midfielders HAVE to score goals" mentality come from, by the way? Thracian you know fooking diddly SHIT about this player, what makes you assume he isn't a creative genius?

Goals from midfield might be nice, but you don't measure a midfielder's ability by his finishing. Getting forward and scoring goals can be at the cost of defensive cover and greedy play-makers in the middle are rather an oxymoron.

He does score goals though, the last two seasons he's been hit between 6-8 goals in the Dutch top division from midfield which no one on our books could manage atm.

Thracian as always has twisted the stats to suit mr Porter, e.g taking his apperances from the age of 16-19 into account, forgetting that he was playing first team top division football then. Not little league academy matches.

[The People's Hero]

I have.

Do you want to argue with me about it.

I bet that's the last you'll hear from Thracian in this thread.

I'll be checking in later to see.....

[Thracian]

Ka'abi, Newton and (whisper it) Gradel can all play right wing and do a job (well the first two can anyway, dunno about Gradel cos he's never played above reserve level).

Yep, I fancy a left-back and a centre-forward too.

Last season we had Tiatto, Wesolowski, Williams, Johnson and Hughes in central midfield who were all injured for some part of the season. If you're turning your nose up at the prospect of Clemence, Kishishev, Wesolowski and Janssen competing for places then you're nuts. We've lost so many central midfielders recently and we need strength in depth there, it's the most important position on the pitch. Tiatto gone, Johnson gone, Jarrett gone, Williams gone, Hughes on the list - leaving us with just an injury-prone youngster before the summer started.

And I didn't say Janssen would be manna from heaven, I just stated that there was a chance that this Dutch international might actually be better than Levi bloody Porter.

So far I see Kaebi, Clemence, Porter, Weso and Kisheshev competing for central midfield places which seems quite sufficient.

Newton's nothing special as a right winger, Gradel will probably not be given a game because no-one's gonna turn him into a supplementary defender (like we've tried to do with everyone else) and the clips I've seen of Kaebi suggest he a midfielder or right-sided defender rather than a right winger.

Assuming that's the case I cannot see any point in splashing more money on a bloke with Janseen's record when we have more important priorities.

This happened last season. We didn't get a left-back or a centre-forward then either.

Just more in midfield like Johnson, Tiatto and, latterly Jarratt.

You might see central midfield as the most important position but I don't see it's any more important than any other - and certainly not needing of six alternatives when we haven't got two that I'd want in some places.

[dandannieldanok]

He does score goals though, the last two seasons he's been hit between 6-8 goals in the Dutch top division from midfield which no one on our books could manage atm.

If he can get that in the Eredivisie he will be very good for this league.

[Thracian]

Where did this whole "midfielders HAVE to score goals" mentality come from, by the way? Thracian you know fooking diddly SHIT about this player, what makes you assume he isn't a creative genius?

Goals from midfield might be nice, but you don't measure a midfielder's ability by his finishing. Getting forward and scoring goals can be at the cost of defensive cover and greedy play-makers in the middle are rather an oxymoron.

Already referred to elsewhere. If we don't get goals from midfield we'll get nowhere.

[STUHILL]

So far I see Kaebi, Clemence, Porter, Weso and Kisheshev competing for central midfield places which seems quite sufficient.

Newton's nothing special as a right winger, Gradel will probably not be given a game because no-one's gonna turn him into a supplementary defender (like we've tried to do with everyone else) and the clips I've seen of Kaebi suggest he a midfielder or right-sided defender rather than a right winger.

Assuming that's the case I cannot see any point in splashing more money on a bloke with Janseen's record when we have more important priorities.

This happened last season. We didn't get a left-back or a centre-forward then either.

Just more in midfield like Johnson, Tiatto and, latterly Jarratt.

You might see central midfield as the most important position but I don't see it's any more important than any other - and certainly not needing of six alternatives when we haven't got two that I'd want in some places.

I havn't heard or read anywhere about Kaebi playing in the centre of midfield?? Please correct me if i'm wrong Thrac???

How you can theink Weso, Clemence, Porter and Kaebi are a suitable four to compete for that central role and get us promoted is ridiculous and further demonstrates a real weakness in your footballing knowledge.

[TheBlinding]

So far I see Kaebi, Clemence, Porter, Weso and Kisheshev competing for central midfield places which seems quite sufficient.

[STUHILL]

I hear u mate

[Thracian]

He does score goals though, the last two seasons he's been hit between 6-8 goals in the Dutch top division from midfield which no one on our books could manage atm.

Thracian as always has twisted the stats to suit mr Porter, e.g taking his apperances from the age of 16-19 into account, forgetting that he was playing first team top division football then. Not little league academy matches.

If Janssen's record of games and goals convinces you it certainly doesn't convince me. But if you seen him play I'd be well interested in your opinion as to what qualities he has which will make him good enough to stake a first choice place in our central midfield.

[MBK]

As a complete sideline, we have signed Hellings for midfielder role so that brings to four first-teamers in addition to Andy King who unless gets the genius stroke we'll never need to hear about.

Edit- What's up with you Mr Thracian. You're taking bullshit far too much.

[Joe.]

If Janssen's record of games and goals convinces you it certainly doesn't convince me. But if you seen him play I'd be well interested in your opinion as to what makes him such a seemingly marvellous player and certainly good enough to stake a first choice place in our midfield..

Thracian you don't get caps for your National team for nothing

[andyh1884]

Thracian you don't get caps for your National team for nothing

Michael Ricketts..........

[STUHILL]

As a complete sideline, we have signed Hellings for midfielder role so that brings to four first-teamers in addition to Andy King who unless gets the genius stroke we'll never need to hear about.

good point, i always forget about SERGIO HELLINGS, and if what ppl have said about his training is true, maybe he will be pushing for a start at somepoint! Sergioooooooooooooo Would still like a creative midfielder like Indiakez or that slag Hendrie!

[dandannieldanok]

If Janssen's record of games and goals convinces you it certainly doesn't convince me. But if you seen him play I'd be well interested in your opinion as to what qualities he has which will make him good enough to stake a first choice place in our central midfield.

He has been playing against the likes of PSV and Ajax where we will be playing Blackpool and S****horpe, a slight difference don't you think?

[Manwell Pablo]

Porter was bought up through the academy as a central midfielder and played there for the majority of last seasons pre season friendlies in which he was involved.

I think the only reason he ever got started out on the left wing was due to us being totally desperate Vs Coventry and they're being literally no one else.

And according to Perpopollis (or whatever they're called) fans that have been on here Kaabi plays either right wing right back, and CM, which he often did for them.

So Thracian, in his own little way. Is sort of right.

[Joe.]

Michael Ricketts..........

But that was at a time when he was doing well for Bolton

[Fez of Mahrez]

So far I see Kaebi, Clemence, Porter, Weso and Kisheshev competing for central midfield places which seems quite sufficient.

Newton's nothing special as a right winger, Gradel will probably not be given a game because no-one's gonna turn him into a supplementary defender (like we've tried to do with everyone else) and the clips I've seen of Kaebi suggest he a midfielder or right-sided defender rather than a right winger.

Assuming that's the case I cannot see any point in splashing more money on a bloke with Janseen's record when we have more important priorities.

This happened last season. We didn't get a left-back or a centre-forward then either.

Just more in midfield like Johnson, Tiatto and, latterly Jarratt.

You might see central midfield as the most important position but I don't see it's any more important than any other - and certainly not needing of six alternatives when we haven't got two that I'd want in some places.

So basically the origin of this argument boils down to two things;

One - Levi as a central midfielder. Can't be bothered to argue about this.

Two - How on earth have you come to the conclusion Ka'abi is, will be or ever has been a central midfielder?

[STUHILL]

He has been playing against the likes of PSV and Ajax where we will be playing Blackpool and S****horpe, a slight difference don't you think?

I think it's very hard to judge his ability and how well he will do for us. SO in that respect, you are probably both wrong, i.e we don't know whether he will be awesome or shit...

[TheBlinding]

Porter was bought up through the academy as a central midfielder and played there for the majority of last seasons pre season friendlies in which he was involved.

I think the only reason he ever got started out on the left wing was due to us being totally desperate Vs Coventry and they're being literally no one else.

And according to Perpopollis (or whatever they're called) fans that have been on here Kaabi plays either right wing right back, and CM, which he often did for them.

So Thracian, in his own little way. Is sort of right.

Fair enough