Manwell Pablo Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 I bow to your greater knowledge here if necessary mate but is Sheehan really that bad.I know he's not as good as Thracian originally made him out to be (no one is) but has he suffered as a result, just as Porter has... not through being terrible as such - but through being completely over-hyped and over-rated, raising expectation to unrealistic and unsustainable levels?I always thought Sheehan was regarded as a fairly limited defender, with a good set piece on him and a fairly capable left foot in attacking situations.What's his shortfall?Positioning? Concentration? Ill-discipline?The more I think about it - the more I realise I've nailed it.Spot on TPH - well done. He's just not a defender, he plays against a good player and he will get carved up, cracking left foot I totally agree. Left wing he could probabley do a job tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 Now you see I can live with Alan Sheehan on the left wing, why no one has thought of that before I don't know. But there's a myth that Alan Sheehan is good going forward but i've rarely seen it, he certainly no winger. If he cannot defend then he certainly can't attack either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 I think he has perhaps realised we don't have a massive squad as such (in terms of those who are in his plans) and so he's trying the likes of Hayes, Stearman, Sheehan etc in a variety of positions. It's something RK never did, apart from insisting on playing Maybury at left back and McAuley at right back.I can see what he's doing here. I suppose this is a fairly defensive line up as you look across that four in midfield and to an extent all 4 can be described as 'defensively' minded and ball winners. Maybe this is our back up line up where players are unavailable and we do go looking for a point? 4 ball winners in midfielder and a target man/pace combo up front. Any thoughts? Martin Allen never plays for a point though, he's more likely to stick 5 up front for the final minutes than have 6 defenders battling it out for a point. That's what makes this selection all the more coy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 But there's a myth that Alan Sheehan is good going forward but i've rarely seen it, he certainly no winger. If he cannot defend then he certainly can't attack either. Not sure I agree with that. I think his strength has always been his attacking nature. I can't believe we're still discussing this bloke after all this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 But there's a myth that Alan Sheehan is good going forward but i've rarely seen it, he certainly no winger. If he cannot defend then he certainly can't attack either. I think he can be quite reasonable going forward, thats how he really impresses at a full back and why certain people at this club and at Mansfield thought he was the next Roberto Carlos the first few times they saw him play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 Very defensive team especially the midfield, this is against the weaker Scottish team as well. Makes you wonder why he didn't take someone like Gradel along, surely better than playing defenders on the wing, we did enough of that last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynny Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 Anyone think De Vries will play in all the Scottish fixtures in the vain hope that he'll impress? I mean, surely they're the only poor bastards that'd buy him? And apart from the LM and RM positions, that squad looks close to full strength. Picking two defenders for each flank is an odd strategy, but maybe he just wants to explore all our options? We've got a few more friendlies left for him to experiment, so it doesn't really matter. I don't think we'll see a real 1st choice team until the (mouth watering!) Portsmouth game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 Not sure I agree with that. I think his strength has always been his attacking nature.I can't believe we're still discussing this bloke after all this time. He might be attack minded, but that doesn't mean he's any good at it. Stephen Hawkins is allegedly highly sexually orientated but it doesn't mean he get's much action and if he does I doubt he's on the money very often. I think he can be quite reasonable going forward, thats how he really impresses at a full back and why certain people at this club and at Mansfield thought he was the next Roberto Carlos the first few times they saw him play. People mistake his blazing free-kicks from all distances as a mechanism for being good going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBK Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 Very defensive team especially the midfield, this is against the weaker Scottish team as well. Makes you wonder why he didn't take someone like Gradel along, surely better than playing defenders on the wing, we did enough of that last season. Yes questionable Stearman deployment unless his aim is to give first teamers, the match sharpness requisite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 I think people are over-simplifying this idea of defenders playing on the wing. Maybury playing there was depressing but Mattock/Sheehan/Chambers are a different kettle of fish. Just because they're adept defensively and have played full back in their careers, doesn't mean they will be any worse than the likes of Porter, Newton or Hayes going forward. All three of them have always been attacking full-backs who like to get forward as much as possible. Don't get trapped by the cliché that we're fielding eight defenders. Allen is an attack-minded manager and that will be an attack-minded team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 For the love of god sell Sheehan please Martin, I can't take this anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 I tire of Sheehan. Let's talk about how good Dodds is and how great a shame it will be when he falls off the football radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 What the hell? Why can't we play with natural wingers instead of defenders... ?! We really do need another left sided player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 I think people are over-simplifying this idea of defenders playing on the wing. Maybury playing there was depressing but Mattock/Sheehan/Chambers are a different kettle of fish. Just because they're adept defensively and have played full back in their careers, doesn't mean they will be any worse than the likes of Porter, Newton or Hayes going forward. All three of them have always been attacking full-backs who like to get forward as much as possible.Don't get trapped by the cliché that we're fielding eight defenders. Allen is an attack-minded manager and that will be an attack-minded team. I don't know many teams that have specialised full backs on the wings, in fact I can't recall any off the top of my head. Oh yes I can, us a couple of seasons running!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The People's Hero Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 Wingers are over-rated. I've never liked 'em. Poncey fancy-dans with no end product. I'd play two huge centre backs there and simply injure the opposing wingers. Or play Trev there. Remember against Sheff Utd? Wowsers. That's wingplay. Bam. So answer this... Trev, running at defenders, knocking them over, powering in crosses/shots with either foot or Levi, namby-pambying around. Reluctant to get the ball in. Waiting for the full back to close down, then winning a throw in/corner, which we'll waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 I don't know many teams that have specialised full backs on the wings, in fact I can't recall any off the top of my head. Oh yes I can, us a couple of seasons running!! That's the point though isn't it, they're not exactly specialist full backs. Or maybe you'd prefer Welsh, Low, Yeates or Glombard back? Hayes and Newton played on Saturday. Ka'abi will be here soon. We'll probably be signing a left winger. Where's the fire???!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe. Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 That's the point though isn't it, they're not exactly specialist full backs. Or maybe you'd prefer Welsh, Low, Yeates or Glombard back?Hayes and Newton played on Saturday. Ka'abi will be here soon. We'll probably be signing a left winger. Where's the fire???!! That's the thing. I'm not so sure we will sign a left winger. Hayes is here as a natural option and thenAllen seems to like Sheehan/Mattock on the wing too. With this in mind I'm not sure he'll feel a need to sign another left winger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 That's the point though isn't it, they're not exactly specialist full backs. Or maybe you'd prefer Welsh, Low, Yeates or Glombard back?Hayes and Newton played on Saturday. Ka'abi will be here soon. We'll probably be signing a left winger. Where's the fire???!! I wonder if Rob Kelly is still monitering his progress since ending his loan spell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 That's the thing.I'm not so sure we will sign a left winger. Hayes is here as a natural option and thenAllen seems to like Sheehan/Mattock on the wing too. With this in mind I'm not sure he'll feel a need to sign another left winger... With Mandaric talking about us signing a creative midfielder and the lack of options on the left side coupled with the Robinson link in the NOTW, I'd wager we are looking to strengthen there. Anyway, this is only one game. We've played wingers in all the others and we have a lot of friendlies this year. Mattock's first team football so far has consisted mainly of playing on the left wing. Chambers has played right midfield a lot for Watford. If Ka'abi was here by now then he'd probably be playing there anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 That's the point though isn't it, they're not exactly specialist full backs. Or maybe you'd prefer Welsh, Low, Yeates or Glombard back?Hayes and Newton played on Saturday. Ka'abi will be here soon. We'll probably be signing a left winger. Where's the fire???!! I don't honestly think Martin Allen is going to play 4 full backs per game during the season, that's why I find tonight's selection odd. It's like having scrambled egg for your dinner and a sneaky fried egg for your pudding after. Tonight's game would be perfect for someone like Gradel and King, to see what they can do against better opposition than Oadby Owls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 I don't honestly think Martin Allen is going to play 4 full backs per game during the season, that's why I find tonight's selection odd. It's like having scrambled egg for your dinner and a sneaky fried egg for your pudding after.Tonight's game would be perfect for someone like Gradel and King, to see what they can do against better opposition than Oadby Owls. I'm surprised he didn't take one or two more of the kids but it's only a squad of 20. I just find it funny everyone's having a wank now the team's been announced when Ka'abi isn't here yet and it's fairly obvious we have been lacking in the left wing position since Steve Guppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 I'm surprised he didn't take one or two more of the kids but it's only a squad of 20. I just find it funny everyone's having a wank now the team's been announced when Ka'abi isn't here yet and it's fairly obvious we have been lacking in the left wing position since Steve Guppy. I think the vinegar stroke will take place when Sheehan get's sent off for fighting with Mattock for the left back spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby or not Toby Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 I'm surprised he didn't take one or two more of the kids but it's only a squad of 20. I just find it funny everyone's having a wank now the team's been announced when Ka'abi isn't here yet and it's fairly obvious we have been lacking in the left wing position since Steve Guppy. All of you comments on this topic Fez have been spot on, I agree with all of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancunianfox Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 Jesus, its a pre-season friendly. Just because he's starting the game with eight defenders it doesn't mean that we we will finish the game with eight defenders. We could have eight attackers at the end of the game for all we know. He obviously has something that he wants to experiment with and now is the time to do it. We always complain that our managers won't experiment or change things and then when they do we moan anyway. There is no point in playing the strongest XI in a pre-season game against Partick Thistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kent Fox Posted 24 July 2007 Share Posted 24 July 2007 Based on previous comments by MA himself, I think that whilst this team is defensively minded, he will want to see his attacking options. Most likely in another friendly, he might play a more attacking line up and see how they do dealing with defensive play. This would then give him a team of players that he feels can play in any given situation next season - winning or losing. It seems simple enough to me.. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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