maddog Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 Did a poll like this when he joined and most wanted him to go straight away. He has certainly proved the doubters wrong including me. We have beaten Villa which was fantastic and sets up a dream tie at Chelsea as well as beating Forest before that. We are going well in the league although our position doesn't show it, we are only 5 points off the play offs with a game in hand, and scored a perfectly good goal against S****horpe, so thats 2 points more we are unlucky not to have. Sure it is boring, dull, defensive football but we are getting good results, we just need our strikers to start scoring. I still think if we had Kaebi's pace on the wing he would set up a lot of goals, but can't see him playing at all this season at the moment. I hope we can get 2 wins in these 2 home games and gradually get closer to the play offs. I certainly hope Megson stays, not just for stability but because he has proved he is still a good manager. Well done Megson.
Joe. Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 At the moment I want him to stay, not voting because it's stupid to say an amount of time you'd like him to be here (unless you want him out obviously).
Brainy Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 we just need our strikers to start scoring. It doesn't matter who we have - our strikers will struggle to score if we keep playing negative football.
Simi Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 Another impulse thread by maddog. Superb. We need him to stay for the good of the club. Another upheaval is going to do nobody any favours. But the sytle of football Megson is playing will not get us out of this division which is what Mandaric wants so...
The Stig Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 I had mixed thoughts when Martin Allen arrived at Leicester. His pre season interviews, the way the side were playing and his general charachter won me round. I had mixed thoughts about Gary Megson when he arrived. However we look a well organised team, I like this system and I firmly believe he can do a very good job at this club and (all though not this season) he can get us promoted. All this combined with a huge lack of quality in our side which he has to work with (and maybe that is Mr. Allen's fault for not bringing in the quality in the summer) and he's doing a very good job.
Ric Flair Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 I'm neither enjoying his spell as manager nor hating it. It's far too early to get rid of him for footballing reasons and hoping he get's poached by Bolton is ridiculous as well. I don't particularly enjoy watching negative football like i've seen in the past month or so at Leicester, but I don't like to see us dominating matches and getting nothing out of games either. I am starting to see signs of Megson's influence over our team. He's making us very, very difficult to beat. It's a risky way of going about things because if we start to ship goals then we're screwed as we'll never score many goals in this set-up. But if you can successfully get your team to be very strong at the back then you can become successful at this level. If Megson can stamp his authority with the rest of the team and get them to take the few chances we create then I can see us being dark horses for a late surge up the table after Xmas. He did this at West Brom, he strengthened their defence and then worked on getting his midfield and attack to take their chances when they come their way and they ground out results week in, week out. Not pretty, not enjoyable but there's always a sense of pride as a fan seeing your team in the top half of a table and the excitement of the chance of promotion. So as far as i'm concerned, Megson's a better bet than the uncertainty of having to find yet another manager should he go or we let him go right now.
SamL Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 I think we should give him atleast this season and next. See what players he brings in, because at the moment hes working with Martin Allens squad. We need to ship out some of the shyte that we have in the squad. get the squad down to around 20 and rebuild from there. Yes he plays negative football, but it sort of works. We are getting draws and wins away from home. Now we just need to win our home games.
Simi Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 I'm neither enjoying his spell as manager nor hating it. It's far too early to get rid of him for footballing reasons and hoping he get's poached by Bolton is ridiculous as well.I don't particularly enjoy watching negative football like i've seen in the past month or so at Leicester, but I don't like to see us dominating matches and getting nothing out of games either. I am starting to see signs of Megson's influence over our team. He's making us very, very difficult to beat. It's a risky way of going about things because if we start to ship goals then we're screwed as we'll never score many goals in this set-up. But if you can successfully get your team to be very strong at the back then you can become successful at this level. If Megson can stamp his authority with the rest of the team and get them to take the few chances we create then I can see us being dark horses for a late surge up the table after Xmas. He did this at West Brom, he strengthened their defence and then worked on getting his midfield and attack to take their chances when they come their way and they ground out results week in, week out. Not pretty, not enjoyable but there's always a sense of pride as a fan seeing your team in the top half of a table and the excitement of the chance of promotion. So as far as i'm concerned, Megson's a better bet than the uncertainty of having to find yet another manager should he go or we let him go right now. Good post Ric. 'Build from the back' as the saying goes, Megson definitely is doing this. But as you say if our attacking players don't bag the chances they get then we will struggle, end of. Mandaric surely knew what to expect when he brought in Megson, nothing pretty, but gets results. Which is ultimately what Mandy wants, results. With Allen it was more a case of, if we're going to win games, we're going to win them well. If we were losing it was go for broke. That method works, when you have the right players, sadly we didn't have the players to score those goals. If Megson can get a striker in, Collins John as has been mentioned, then we may be ok and start to move up the table. But with the rumored cancellation of 2 loan deals from the Prem, you do sense that somebody isn't happy with all going on.
Mark Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 We're not building from the back, any team that fields 7 defenders is going to be good defensively. It makes me laugh when people say how good we're looking at the back when we're playing with that many defenders. We've made NO progress whatsoever. It's a travesty what we've been served up since the thrashing of Watford, it's like someone has told Milan that isn't how Leicester play anymore and he's gone and sorted it immediately.
Simi Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 We're not building from the back, any team that fields 7 defenders is going to be good defensively. It makes me laugh when people say how good we're looking at the back when we're playing with that many defenders. We've made NO progress whatsoever.It's a travesty what we've been served up since the thrashing of Watford, it's like someone has told Milan that isn't how Leicester play anymore and he's gone and sorted it immediately. So sorting the defence out first is not building from the back? I see what you mean about fielding defenders all the time isn't going to make us progress anywhere. If the wing backs actually go forward in this '3-5-2' formation, we will create more chances. But so far they haven't. You'd think this would prompt Megson to play the attacking wing back Kaebi, but obviously not. Stearman is to lazy to play wing back at the moment. If you're going to play 3-5-2 defensive football, you NEED someone that can hold the ball up and act as a target man. However I refuse to accept that it's Cort.
Joe. Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 I would personally like Megson to stay. We've got the defensive foundations in place, making us very hard to score against. I know we're not scoring enough and don't look like doing so at the moment but lets look at it this way. Realistically how many goals can you score with a midfield consisting of either Clemence, Kishishev, Newton, Chambers etc? The strikers can't be blamed for this. I honestly think that once our midfield is sorted out we'll be ok and could realistically be looking at a comfortable top half position in the league.
Mark Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 So sorting the defence out first is not building from the back?I see what you mean about fielding defenders all the time isn't going to make us progress anywhere. If the wing backs actually go forward in this '3-5-2' formation, we will create more chances. But so far they haven't. You'd think this would prompt Megson to play the attacking wing back Kaebi, but obviously not. Stearman is to lazy to play wing back at the moment. If you're going to play 3-5-2 defensive football, you NEED someone that can hold the ball up and act as a target man. However I refuse to accept that it's Cort. The defence isn't sorted, they've got protection from 2 full backs and 2 defensive midfielders that rarely ever take a risk by stepping into the oppositions half, so they are never under pressure and are being saved from doing any defending. It's a con and I ain't having it. Mattock and Kaebi are wing backs that get forward, and guess what neither are playing.
maddog Posted 22 October 2007 Author Posted 22 October 2007 We just need a quality striker who can finish comfortably and bag 20 goals a season. Dj could be the one but not this season now i doubt. He needs to be starting every game to be scoring. He must be so low on confidence, he hasn't scored in what 8 games about can't remember exactly, he is our most expensive signing, he's probably on the highest wage and was good friends with MA. Now he's sat on the bench most of the time and can't be expected to do anything when he is subbed on with 10 minutes to go. I think he's our only hope to score loads of goals in a season at the moment. I can't see Hume, Fryatt, Cort, getting 10-15 goals each.
Joe. Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 We just need a quality striker who can finish comfortably and bag 20 goals a season. Dj could be the one but not this season now i doubt. He needs to be starting every game to be scoring. He must be so low on confidence, he hasn't scored in what 8 games about can't remember exactly, he is our most expensive signing, he's probably on the highest wage and was good friends with MA. Now he's sat on the bench most of the time and can't be expected to do anything when he is subbed on with 10 minutes to go. I think he's our only hope to score loads of goals in a season at the moment. I can't see Hume, Fryatt, Cort, getting many goals. How is any striker expected to score with the shite service ours receive? We don't have bad forwards they just do not get what they need to score goals often enough. Until the midfield is sorted out, our goalscoring problem won't improve.
Ric Flair Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 We're not building from the back, any team that fields 7 defenders is going to be good defensively. It makes me laugh when people say how good we're looking at the back when we're playing with that many defenders. We've made NO progress whatsoever.It's a travesty what we've been served up since the thrashing of Watford, it's like someone has told Milan that isn't how Leicester play anymore and he's gone and sorted it immediately. I think we rode our luck against Watford though. 2 very lucky goals at the start of the second half and other than Hume's wonder goal, we'd looked far from dangerous in the first half. Until we get some creative players, we'd struggle to score goals on a regular basis anyway. I don't like having 6 or 7 defenders in our team, but if we played 4-4-2 with a team such as the following I don't see us being any more attacking. Fulop N'Gotty McAuley Kisnorbo Sheehan Chambers Wesolowski Clemence Mattock Hume Fryatt I'd like to see Ferreira and Kaebi get a game, but will they make that much difference? I'd like to think so, but I think i'm just pinning my hopes on them because they are an unknown quantity.
Simi Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 The defence isn't sorted, they've got protection from 2 full backs and 2 defensive midfielders that rarely ever take a risk by stepping into the oppositions half, so they are never under pressure and are being saved from doing any defending. It's a con and I ain't having it.Mattock and Kaebi are wing backs that get forward, and guess what neither are playing. Well the idea of a full back is not just to go forward it's to defend. When we're defending there is no doubt it goes to a 5-3-2, but to often, as you say it just does not change from that, when we're going forward so it defies the point of wing backs. Fact is, the midfield aren't good enough to create enough chances because they play to far away from the strikers, especially when we have Fryatt up there who likes it into feet. You're right in saying that the midfield protect our defenders to much, but at the moment we're not losing games, which IS an improvement. We just need to take it to the next stage now.
Mark Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 I think we rode our luck against Watford though. 2 very lucky goals at the start of the second half and other than Hume's wonder goal, we'd looked far from dangerous in the first half.Until we get some creative players, we'd struggle to score goals on a regular basis anyway. I don't like having 6 or 7 defenders in our team, but if we played 4-4-2 with a team such as the following I don't see us being any more attacking. Hit the woodwork twice before those goals in the second half We did more attacking in that game than every game put together since.
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 Stay for now. I'd like to get a bit of stability and some points on the table, and Megson looks like he knows what he's doing with our squad atm.
Smudge Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 The defence isn't sorted, they've got protection from 2 full backs and 2 defensive midfielders that rarely ever take a risk by stepping into the oppositions half, so they are never under pressure and are being saved from doing any defending. It's a con and I ain't having it.Mattock and Kaebi are wing backs that get forward, and guess what neither are playing. Mattock is injured coming back from England duty so was unavailable for S****horpe. Since Forest and Megsons first, he started in every game except for Sheffield Wednesday. The defence may or may not be sorted, I doubt if any of the coaching team are sitting on their laurals but having the best defensive record in the league certainly points to something that's being done right. He's got only 6 games under his belt so far and lost only one. His inability to borrow or buy is tying his hands and is having to play those who have been here.
Simi Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 Mattock is injured coming back from England duty so was unavailable for S****horpe. Since Forest and Megsons first, he started in every game except for Sheffield Wednesday. The defence may or may not be sorted, I doubt if any of the coaching team are sitting on their laurals but having the best defensive record in the league certainly points to something that's being done right. He's got only 6 games under his belt so far and lost only one. His inability to borrow or buy is tying his hands and is having to play those who have been here. Didn't Megson come out and say some of the younger players weren't up to it at the moment? Mattock could of been one of the casualties from that comment, although as you say he is injured at the moment.
Smudge Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 How is any striker expected to score with the shite service ours receive? We don't have bad forwards they just do not get what they need to score goals often enough.Until the midfield is sorted out, our goalscoring problem won't improve. And that's pretty much what Megson has been saying.
FilboFox Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 Well I think he could well have the respect of the players but he certainly doesn't have the support from the fans... the next man should really have the full backing of the board, players AND fans and that will then galvanise the team forward and upwards. As it is... there is a massive lack of support for Megson and its quite possibly having an effect on the teams morale...
Smudge Posted 22 October 2007 Posted 22 October 2007 Didn't Megson come out and say some of the younger players weren't up to it at the moment?Mattock could of been one of the casualties from that comment, although as you say he is injured at the moment. I think he did but I was responding to Mark's comment that he didn't play Mattock. He's started 5 times from 7 since Megson's arrival the seventh being last Saturday when he was injured.
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