Fox in a Box Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ity/7092128.stm Cardiff City hierarchy are to decide the fate of under-fire manager Dave Jones in the next 48 hours. Pressure is growing on Jones after a string of poor results has seen the Bluebirds slump to 20th in the Championship table. Chairman Peter Ridsdale and the board of directors at Ninian Park will meet this week to discuss Jones' fate. "I expect to make a formal statement about the situation here within the next couple of days," said Ridsdale. Can Dave Jones turn things around? Certainly Jones is confident he can turn things around, despite a their lowly position in the table. Speaking after Saturday's 3-0 defeat to Charlton he vowed to fight on despite the pressure on him to leave the club. "I believe in my ability to turn it around, I'll just get on with it," he said.
Ric Flair Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 I'd not be opposed to Dave Jones here to be honest. Most wouldn't want him here as Cardiff are doing awful at the minute, but i've always been fairly impressed with how Jones get's his teams to play football.
eaststandtom Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 decent manager with promotion experience didnt do badly at southampton with limited resources cardiff must be fooking mad!! delusions of grandeur seems to be affecting everyone
surrifox Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Paul Simpson at Preston is looking a bit shaky as well
BigGibbo Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Hopefully Cardiff buck the trend of sacking at the 1st sign of trouble that has started to get stupid otherwise i'll be happy to see them fook off back to league one.
surrifox Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 I'd not be opposed to Dave Jones here to be honest. Most wouldn't want him here as Cardiff are doing awful at the minute, but i've always been fairly impressed with how Jones get's his teams to play football. and not afraid to waste money on the likes of Fowler and Hasslebank
mancunianfox Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 and not afraid to waste money on the likes of Fowler and Hasslebank *cough*Peter Ridsdale*cough* If Jones loses his job because he had Fowler and Hasselbaink forced upon him then he will only get what he deserves for not standing up for himself. If he did want them in and loses his job over them then he will only have proved me and so many others right over the negative impact of those two signings. Thats poor judgement and he should have known better if he is a decent manager. Mandaric made no secret of the fact that he did want both players and I wouldn't be at all suprised if he offers Cardiff and Jones an easy solution.
sotonfox Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 What is the difference between a good manager and a bad one? I am starting to think it's just a matter of form, appears to me that good managers have bad spells and poor managers have good spells. At one point Mickey Adams was considered a hot prospect now No2 at Colchester. Peter Reid is considered bad on here but did great with Sunderland. Alex Ferguson was once on the point of getting the boot at Man Utd. Harry Redknapp was mentioned for this job a couple of years ago and was met eith as much enthusiasm as Reid now. Maybe I'm just losing interest in this whole manager thing, but outside of a handful of 'elite' managers I think they are all much of a muchness!
mancunianfox Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 What is the difference between a good manager and a bad one?I am starting to think it's just a matter of form, appears to me that good managers have bad spells and poor managers have good spells. At one point Mickey Adams was considered a hot prospect now No2 at Colchester. Peter Reid is considered bad on here but did great with Sunderland. Alex Ferguson was once on the point of getting the boot at Man Utd. Harry Redknapp was mentioned for this job a couple of years ago and was met eith as much enthusiasm as Reid now. Maybe I'm just losing interest in this whole manager thing, but outside of a handful of 'elite' managers I think they are all much of a muchness! Very, very good post.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 What is the difference between a good manager and a bad one?I am starting to think it's just a matter of form, appears to me that good managers have bad spells and poor managers have good spells. At one point Mickey Adams was considered a hot prospect now No2 at Colchester. Peter Reid is considered bad on here but did great with Sunderland. Alex Ferguson was once on the point of getting the boot at Man Utd. Harry Redknapp was mentioned for this job a couple of years ago and was met eith as much enthusiasm as Reid now. Maybe I'm just losing interest in this whole manager thing, but outside of a handful of 'elite' managers I think they are all much of a muchness! I agree, I think there are one or two exceptions though and it's a case of trying to nick them while they're on the up and hope that they continue that success with your own club. My main exception would be Gary Johnson. Jury out on Grayson and Ince but they would be possibles too. It's a mixture of getting that winning habit on a consistent basis and punching above your weight with an unfashionable or perennially failing team. Gary Johnson especially just seems to have it all and that's not just because of this season, I've said it all along. His Yeovil teams were special and Bristol City were perennial underachievers til he got them going. Of course you could argue Martin Allen fell into a similar category until this summer, turning around failing teams and winning on a regular basis. Still a bit bemused by all that to be honest, it seems he just didn't suit a bigger club. I will be following his future career with fascination though.
Fox in a Box Posted 13 November 2007 Author Posted 13 November 2007 Dave Jones did well at Wolves too, Id prefer him to Souey and Reid if thats all whats on offer.
Fox in a Box Posted 13 November 2007 Author Posted 13 November 2007 Sociedad Coleman probe Spanish club to investigate boss' actions From Skysports Coleman: Facing investigation Real Sociedad are to investigate the actions of coach Chris Coleman after he turned up 90 minutes late for a press conference. The former Fulham boss said on Friday he had been late arriving to that day's media briefing due to flooding at his flat caused by his washing machine, but Spanish media also reported he had been at a nightclub until the early hours of the morning. Coleman later admitted he had been out late "somewhere I shouldn't have been" on Thursday, and that he had apologised to his players prior to the game. Sociedad's sporting director Salva Iriarte announced that the club will be investigating the incident. Excuses He said: "The president Maria de la Pena and I have met with him ... and we have informed him that we have opened an inquiry." He added: "The coach has 10 days to answer and then it is the board who will take a decision." Coleman has already met de la Pena and apologised for his actions. "There are no excuses from me. It was very late, I've had a lot of people over from England and Wales and I've showed them San Sebastian and I really stayed longer than I should have," Coleman said. "I don't like making excuses. I apologised to the players before the game, who are the main people, and if I'm honest you with I don't think you (the media) had so much of a problem with me being where I was, I think you were more angry that I was late the next day."
Thracian Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 What a pathetic circus football is turning into. Moneyed chairmen everywhere who know seem to know sod-all about football yet want their managers to wave a magic wand to give them instant power, prestige and yet more riches. It's all grab, grab, grab. Those people don't want to build anything. They want to buy their ticket on a gravy train which is becoming so burdened with extra carriages if will eventually grind to a halt under its own weight. They don't want to compliment their manager, they want a manager to be the excuse for their mistakes, the fall guy that takes the rap when their own inadequacies are exposed. At Leicester we almost seem to be curb crawling in search of a manager who will say yes, for a price. Having apparently failed to tempt our favoured targets we should perhaps think about doing the dignified thing and giving the job to the only person who's had any success at this underperforming club in the last few years - Steve Beaglehole. He and his assistant Mike Stowell know the club, know the players, command respect and play to win. Their teams appear to enjoy the game and spectators enjoy the football they put on (Plymouth excepted). SB/MS might not have the pedigree of Tigana or Ince. But they are every bit as good and probably better than the boring aresholes we've had at the club lately and the equally tedious characters who are being linked with the club now. Neither would have been my first choice. Or my second. But the names being touted now are so bad that my wife has even been nagging me to put an application in. As it happens I don't do job applications anymore, not to anyone. But it is time this club got its self-respect back. And time we had a manager who wants to play the game properly. Not another Megson, not another Burrows, not another Kelly, not another Levein and not a Cotterill or a Holloway either. But if not Ince, if not Royle, if not Newell, I'd happily give Beaglehole his big chance and I'd tell him exactly how I'd like him to approach it. With an attacking attitude and a sense of bravado. He wouldn't have to change one bit.
Fox in a Box Posted 13 November 2007 Author Posted 13 November 2007 What a pathetic circus football is turning into. Moneyed chairmen everywhere who know seem to know sod-all about football yet want their managers to wave a magic wand to give them instant power, prestige and yet more riches.It's all grab, grab, grab. Those people don't want to build anything. They want to buy their ticket on a gravy train which is becoming so burdened with extra carriages if will eventually grind to a halt under its own weight. They don't want to compliment their manager, they want a manager to be the excuse for their mistakes, the fall guy that takes the rap when their own inadequacies are exposed. At Leicester we almost seem to be curb crawling in search of a manager who will say yes, for a price. Having apparently failed to tempt our favoured targets we should perhaps think about doing the dignified thing and giving the job to the only person who's had any success at this underperforming club in the last few years - Steve Beaglehole. He and his assistant Mike Stowell know the club, know the players, command respect and play to win. Their teams appear to enjoy the game and spectators enjoy the football they put on (Plymouth excepted). SB/MS might not have the pedigree of Tigana or Ince. But they are every bit as good and probably better than the boring aresholes we've had at the club lately and the equally tedious characters who are being linked with the club now. Neither would have been my first choice. Or my second. But the names being touted now are so bad that my wife has even been nagging me to put an application in. As it happens I don't do job applications anymore, not to anyone. But it is time this club got its self-respect back. And time we had a manager who wants to play the game properly. Not another Megson, not another Burrows, not another Kelly, not another Levein and not a Cotterill or a Holloway either. But if not Ince, if not Royle, if not Newell, I'd happily give Beaglehole his big chance and I'd tell him exactly how I'd like him to approach it. With an attacking attitude and a sense of bravado. well thats that then eh thracus
surrifox Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 at the end of the day it boils down to the Chairman's preferences which can be summed up as a "name" ( he is rarely linked with lower league success stories or managers who were not high profile players) and someone with at least some evidence of a promotion campaign in their CV. The press quotes from MM sound increasingly flaky and impatient and the demand for instant results would not impress most candidates given the number of vacancies that look like opening up. When this process started it looked like a buyers market for managers but that appears to have changed
MPH Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 cant say i am suprised- sure signing fowler is one thing, but signing another old bumfluff to go with him is somthing else. the two of them together have less pace than me... and that really is saying somthing...
Fat Ron Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Former Fulham manager Chris Coleman is in hot water in Spain after turning up late for a press conference. The Real Sociedad boss initially blamed a broken washing machine for his delay, but the club are to launch an investigation after conflicting reports suggested the Welshman had been at a nightclub until the early hours of the morning. Coleman admitted: "There are no excuses from me. It was very late. "I've had a lot of people over from England and Wales and I've showed them San Sebastian and I really stayed longer than I should have. "I don't like making excuses. I apologised to the players before the game, who are the main people and, if I'm honest you, with I don't think you (the media) had so much of a problem with me being where I was. I think you were more angry that I was late the next day." Sociedad's sporting director Salva Iriarte is unimpressed, saying: "The president Maria de la Pena and I have met with him (Coleman), and we have informed him that we have opened an inquiry. "The coach has ten days to answer and then it is the board who will take a decision." After being relegated last season, Sociedad are currently 13th in the Segunda Division. Could Coleman be on his way back to England?!?!?!
teblin Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 What is the difference between a good manager and a bad one?I am starting to think it's just a matter of form, appears to me that good managers have bad spells and poor managers have good spells. At one point Mickey Adams was considered a hot prospect now No2 at Colchester. Peter Reid is considered bad on here but did great with Sunderland. Alex Ferguson was once on the point of getting the boot at Man Utd. Harry Redknapp was mentioned for this job a couple of years ago and was met eith as much enthusiasm as Reid now. Maybe I'm just losing interest in this whole manager thing, but outside of a handful of 'elite' managers I think they are all much of a muchness! Agreed, Oneill didn't win in 12 when he first took over and people here wanted him out. He had other simular runs, think when we won at old trafford that year we hadn't won in 10. If you can get a manager who can spot a player, thats half the battle. Allen clearly couldn't and he only watched 1 before signing them. that always helps. Peter reid i personally do not want, though he has done a good job in the past, he has also done some bad jobs to, though leeds was a sinking ship. Even if the manager is not everyones first choice or even anyones first choice we need to get behind them as we can't keep chaning managers.
lookwhaticando Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 In trouble for being at a nightclub in Spain until 5am? What's the problem? Didn't he stay long enough? As for Jones... I wouldn't say no to Jones either. Or Coleman. Or Tigana. Or Holloway. Or anyone in particular... 'cept the usual rejects like Reid, McAllister and Souness.
eaststandtom Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Former Fulham manager Chris Coleman is in hot water in Spain after turning up late for a press conference.The Real Sociedad boss initially blamed a broken washing machine for his delay, but the club are to launch an investigation after conflicting reports suggested the Welshman had been at a nightclub until the early hours of the morning. Coleman admitted: "There are no excuses from me. It was very late. "I've had a lot of people over from England and Wales and I've showed them San Sebastian and I really stayed longer than I should have. "I don't like making excuses. I apologised to the players before the game, who are the main people and, if I'm honest you, with I don't think you (the media) had so much of a problem with me being where I was. I think you were more angry that I was late the next day." Sociedad's sporting director Salva Iriarte is unimpressed, saying: "The president Maria de la Pena and I have met with him (Coleman), and we have informed him that we have opened an inquiry. "The coach has ten days to answer and then it is the board who will take a decision." After being relegated last season, Sociedad are currently 13th in the Segunda Division. Could Coleman be on his way back to England?!?!?! we need a manager with experience of winning more games than they lose
lookwhaticando Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Have we named everyone yet? Nearly. We just need sensational swoops for Martin Jol, Jose Moaninho... then, we need to be inexplicably linked to a man who's been dead for 15 years or more (I imagine that'll be in the Sunday Sport), and to top it all off we need to perform a stunning u-turn and re-appoint Worthington. Then and only then will we have named and chased everyone.
Thracian Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Nearly.We just need sensational swoops for Martin Jol, Jose Moaninho... then, we need to be inexplicably linked to a man who's been dead for 15 years or more (I imagine that'll be in the Sunday Sport), and to top it all off we need to perform a stunning u-turn and re-appoint Worthington. Then and only then will we have named and chased everyone. Be funny if it went full circle back to Worthington.
lookwhaticando Posted 13 November 2007 Posted 13 November 2007 Be funny if it went full circle back to Worthington. I'd laugh, to be sure.
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