Scow Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 What platform? Playing 6 defenders is not the same as having a decent defense. I never said it was - it was a case of fielding a side to give us the best chance of a result. You have Martin Allen, Don Mackay and Milan Mandaric to thank for that.
Thracian Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 I back ollie 100% Sincerely hope you're still doing it come next Christmas.
blue blood Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 Sincerely hope you're still doing it come next Christmas. If i am we will be a better team for sure.
Simi Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 I see this had made it's way to TalkingBalls. Interesting read Ric, I can see where you're coming from. I am with the belief that WHEN Holloway gets the players in that want to play for him, people he knows that are up for the battle, we will improve. But, I did expect things to have improved by now, which they haven't. After the Bristol match, I along with a lot others was filled with optimism, which surprisingly was soon kicked out of me. Holloway has desperately tried to play his own system from the start, which we don't have the players to use properly and effectively. Whereas Megson played a system that accompanied what we had at the time, a lot of defenders and no midfielders, it worked, albeit not very well. Basically, when Holloway has the squad that can play 4-4-2 with width, we will be alright, I beleive.
Bryn Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 I think with regards to the slagging of the players, it's a rather risky case of IH basically admitting that he doesn't want any of the players, and sort of expecting us to survive because of our business this winter. If it pays off I'll be happy to see him cull the squad and start from scratch, but before that I think he could have done to motivate what we already have.
Daz.I Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 The problem I have with Holloway is that he has been constantly criticising our players in public since he got here. Megson did it as well but Holloway has been far worse in his criticisms and I imagine that the team must be completely demoralised at the moment. He has made no secret of the fact that he doesn't think they are good enough. Holloway can speak about optimism all he wants but he hasn't really started to practice it yet has hge? Demoralised I'd agree but if somebody went out there speaking home truths about you I'm sure you wouldn't just sit there and sulk you'd do your best to try and prove them wrong well I know I certainly would anyway. And lets be honest majority of the team aren't good enough
davieG Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 Demoralised I'd agree but if somebody went out there speaking home truths about you I'm sure you wouldn't just sit there and sulk you'd do your best to try and prove them wrong well I know I certainly would anyway. And lets be honest majority of the team aren't good enough You may well do and some of the players will but people react in different ways and the art of management is to determine what makes each individual tick.
davieG Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 My Two A Penneth.. For tuppence this is all you get:
ibbosuk Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 Makes for entertaining reading but it doesn't offer any answers. In fact I believe you convey the feelings of many. Every normal solution has been suggested and yet the own goals have continued, leaving a growing sense of despair. Everywhere I go, long-time and dedicated fans are saying they no longer care or don't know why they care. It goes beyond the effects of a few bad results. Making it worse is the fact that there are no shining lights anywhere. People already doubt our new manager or at best are reserving judgement. There's not a single player in our side now who offers a bit of hope, who gives you a sense of expectancy. Everyone looks scared of doing something wrong and that's only making our situation worse. There's nothing for fans to grasp hold of and take pride in. We don't lose glorious games 3-2. We're almost apologetic as a team. Even in the pre-match warm-ups there's no-one who's skills or fierce shots offer a glimmer of expectancy. Ollie says we defend too far back. Well do something about it pal. Nothing can be worse than what's happening now because we're registering relegation form and the red light has gone from flashing to full on. These last few days have been Holloways 1st chance to effect any real change on the piss poor squad he has inherited. I believe on Saturday we will have half a side making their home debuts (AND GOD HOW THEY WILL NEED OUR SUPPORT) But even so I believe you will see what Ian Holloway is all about (Regardless of the result) I believe after Saturday we will all be much more hopeful and enthusiastic, and be able to buy into the Holloway vision. Make no mistake Saturday is absolutely massive for Holloway and what he is trying to do as regards formations and tactics, the fans have simply got to be able to see what he is trying to do and it has to be a stirring attacking display that gets us off our seats, not running for the exits, but to applaud a good attacking display of football and hopefully leave us begging for the next home game.
Super Arj Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 I have to say, it's been a long while since I typed anything of any substance on here, been bemused by the whole situation for a couple of months now. But I feel i've got to have a stab, all the other youths are doing it at the minute, so why not, hey? (sorry poor joke, R.I.P. and all that).Anyway, back to the champagne football that Ollie has been serving up. Worried. Very worried. We are worse than we have been under any manager since perhaps Craig Levein's last month or so. This chap's a motivator and yet he's managed to de-motivate a squad that was already very fragile. What Holloway we thought was going to bring to the table was a knack of getting players to punch above their weight. We might have massive problems in this team, but there's still some quality amongst it. Yet we've got worse. We've proven that we don't have a mean defence at all, unless we play 7 defenders and at least 5 of those play across the back with the 2 others having a party in the mouth in the middle. We cannot score goals, but then that's been the problem all season so to be fair to Holloway he's not caused that problem. I just cannot see where we go from here? Changing the manager probably isn't going to help, but Holloway must shoulder a little bit of the blame for what's happened since he's taken over. We're actually looking less likely to score than we did under Megson and that for me, is unforgiveable. I've always been worried about Holloway's tactical nouse, but I thought his natural ability to get the players motivated would at least make us competitive in this league, but so far we're a million miles away from even some of the football we served up under Rob Kelly (dare I say!!!). It will be interesting to see what Ollie does this month in the transfer window. Myself, I think if we get a right winger, and 2 central midfielders who can attack, pass and defend in tandem, a new goalie and a left back, then there's no reason what so ever why we cannot be a top 12 side at this level. But I think we should be about there already without any incoming faces, this league is full of shit houses, I cannot believe how much of a shambles we are. As i've already said, changing managers again, I couldn't face it. What's the point? Who would we get and will they really make any difference? Just like will a few new players actually make much of a difference on the grand scheme of things? I'm struggling for ideas, it's 4 seasons we've been scampering about the relegation zone. There's not many teams that continue to scrape by without taking the plunge, I fear we don't have the luxury of thinking we'll be alright. We look more clueless than we've ever looked before and being a massive Milan Mandaric advocate, I have to say, he's not made a blind bit of difference in terms of making us a success. I hope that won't continue for long, but to be quite frank i'm at the point where i'm starting to not give a fook any longer, which was exactly like I was when we had The Foxes Trust and the other goobers in charge. Let's face it. The whole club is filled with cretins. A takeover and it's still full of them. It's almost like putting on a fresh pair of boxers during a 5 day stint of this pissing out of your arse and mouth virus. It won't and hasn't made a blind bit of difference because as you slip them on and sit down with a coke and a smile you've found yourself with another entire pant full. Horrible times. I suppose it's a case trying to ride the storm out and allowing Holloway a free reign for the time being, I fear with money though, he'll not know what to do with it and as we continue to lose, he'll be flicking twenty spots at more Hungary folk than the Salvation Army. quality post mate I'm pinning all of this firmly on Sacha Lennart's shoulders. He's got a lot to answer for.
Master Fox Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 For tuppence this is all you get: Hand feed me Davie!!!
Thracian Posted 7 January 2008 Posted 7 January 2008 These last few days have been Holloways 1st chance to effect any real change on the piss poor squad he has inherited. I believe on Saturday we will have half a side making their home debuts (AND GOD HOW THEY WILL NEED OUR SUPPORT)But even so I believe you will see what Ian Holloway is all about (Regardless of the result) I believe after Saturday we will all be much more hopeful and enthusiastic, and be able to buy into the Holloway vision. Make no mistake Saturday is absolutely massive for Holloway and what he is trying to do as regards formations and tactics, the fans have simply got to be able to see what he is trying to do and it has to be a stirring attacking display that gets us off our seats, not running for the exits, but to applaud a good attacking display of football and hopefully leave us begging for the next home game. I can already see what he's trying to do and I'm actually as optimistic as I dare be given that I'm damn sure I wouldn't recognise half our team for Saturday in the street if I met em. I've been disappointed too often by City in recent seasons to even think of assuming anything but I have said I'll back Holloway til next Christmas and I'll stand by that whatever. Even so the words in the first paragraph are so true. We really will have to get behind our new side until their fate for the season is decided because January represents the last chance saloon and whatever squad lwe end up with we've got to go with whatever. There will be absolutely no point in hounding any of the players because whoever plays will need backing whether they're crap or brilliant. You could say that should be the case anyway but the nature of football supporting is not like that. But I tell you this. If Holloway and friends doesn't work I dread to think what might happen next if MM loses his nerve and sacks the guy. For me we need to roar this team to heights they never dreamed of and to avoid any temptation to do otherwise because MISTAKES ARE INEVITABLE. No-one, not Wenger or Ferguson or Mourinho puts a brand new team together seamlessly. And no manager draws all aces with the players he signs. There are bound to be some lesser cards and doubtless a couple of jokers. But if Holloway is strong enough to work his squad like prospective Olympians and has the wisdom and courage to field a determined side that gets at people quickly then I am quite sure we can put the wins together that will keep us in business for next season. And it's that word "wins" which counts - home and away. The challenge doesn't need faint hearts or people who think we should try to play out the game if we're one goal ahead. We want players who feed on goals and who just love the stick it right up the opposition. I'm sick of having an apology for a team. By that I mean a team which doesn't show they believe in themselves let alone their manager. I don't want any more steps backwards or signs of fear and over-exaggerated respect for opponents. I want us showing what we're about and I'd love to think that, in return, the fans wil react like they did at Barnsley and Preston and against Birmingham last season...with strains of the Great Escape blasting out into the night sky.
Guest Posted 8 January 2008 Posted 8 January 2008 I support leicester city and with that i know who we are a - second tier team. I dont think we have some devine right to be in the premeirship just because we have been there for a couple of seasons. We are a championship team and have been since 1880 something!!If you people think we have a devine right to be a big club, go and support a big club because we are what we are and i love us for it!! As i said we have continued to go backwarcs since then. we are what we are I really hate this attitude. We are not a second tier team; we are a yo-yo side, and ups and downs are all part and parcel of supporting this club. The thing is, it's been downhill for the last few years, and to be honest, I'm sick of it. It's like the string has finally snapped, along with the patience of some of the fans. I agree that no club has a divine right to a place in whatever division, however, I would like to see a bit of effort from the club, at all levels. I want to come away from a game feeling pride, even in defeat, knowing that they've done their best and were beaten by the better/luckier side. If that happened, you could forgive the inevitable "off day". But at the moment, I come away from games thinking "why do I go through this" (rhetorical question). The apathy that runs through the club is rife among fans, and I'm sorry if this upsets you, but I'm not happy to see it, and I'm certainly not happy to put up with crap performances week in, week out. It's got bugger all to do with supporting a "big club"; it's about wanting to see my team, the team that I love, performing well. And if that's not what being a supporter is about, then perhaps I'm watching the wrong sport.
hairy Posted 8 January 2008 Posted 8 January 2008 ^^^ What she said it's about wanting to see my team, the team that I love, performing well
Master Fox Posted 8 January 2008 Posted 8 January 2008 I don't need to post what i think about the current state of the club.
ronnup Posted 8 January 2008 Posted 8 January 2008 I don't need to post what i think about the current state of the club. I'm so sick of us it's stupid.
Master Fox Posted 8 January 2008 Posted 8 January 2008 I'm so sick of us it's stupid. I know. I gave up being a supporter months ago.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 8 January 2008 Posted 8 January 2008 You'd all be a lot happier if you just adjusted your expectations downwards, in much the same way as you would when a new Oasis album comes out
davieG Posted 8 January 2008 Posted 8 January 2008 You'd all be a lot happier if you just adjusted your expectations downwards, in much the same way as you would when a new Oasis album comes out I'm only expecting a home win sometime before Easter have I got to lower it to the season's end!
lookwhaticando Posted 8 January 2008 Posted 8 January 2008 I'm only expecting a home win sometime before Easter have I got to lower it to the season's end! And while you're at it, change "win" to "draw". Just in case.
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