Hollowords

[Thracian]

Attempting the almost impossible by trying to imagine any way at all that today's performance might help Leicester City I've come up with one thing only.

A recording could be sold to interested parties as a prime example of managerial incompetence.

If Holloway hasn't resigned already I hope MM delivers his own verdict.

"One-nil and you fooked it up," mocked the Wednesday fans and City fans acknowledged the truth of it by joining in.

It gives me no pleasure but it's not as if I waited until it was too late to explain why MM should have got rid of Holloway weeks ago and the reasons why we were in grave danger of relegating ourselves through our misguided approach.

Everything on show today I highlighted previously. Holloway's faith on experience. His ingrained caution. His destruction of the left-side of our team. His failure to attack a game, or attempt to attack it for 90 minutes. His inability to get non-specialists to keep the width. His psychological shortcomings. Our lack of goals and his adding to the problems in that respect. An almost constant failure to use sufficient pace in our side.

Well today showed Holloway in glorious technicolour

Even with his old guard on show he got the perfect start with Hume's goal and it was no more than we deserved, appropriate reward for a positive start.

The goal should have encouraged us and signalled more of the same because the reason we scored was so obvious. It was a result of the quick and combative Iain Hume harrassing his opponent to despair. He'd done it several times before the goal and it was obvious he was a nightmare for Sheffield defence to deal with.

After we scored you'd think Holloway would have ordered more of the same or even taken chance to get the equally fast and elusive Campbell on early to harrass them some more cos if he had there was the prospect of going two or three up and the game being settled by half time.

But no. What we actually did was retreat to set up camp on an area just in front of the penalty box up to the halfway line. Safety first football, tactical nonsense and even more so seeing as Hume and defender Stearman were the only fast breaking players we had.

Sheffield had been seriously reeling but we volunteered them a lifeline. Even the warning of a saved penalty failed to change our philosophy.

Eventually they equalised. We then went into a sort of limbo, a footballing no-man's land where we didn't know whether to attack or defend with inevitably disastrous consequences despite the offer of a free gift (penalty) which we carelessly threw away.

By now Hayles - having a bad game anyway - was nothing short of a liability because he simply failed or refused to provide any width which must have been a godsend for the limited Wednesday defenders.

Holloway could and should have sorted it but instead he committed tactical suicide.

He took Hume off. How idiotic was that?

OKay he missed a penalty. Anyone can miss a penalty. The last thing Hume needed was the added indignity of being substituted because he'd been a hero up to that point and was doubtless chomping at the bit to make amends and therefore potentially our most dangerous attacker.

Nothing against DJ and Fryatt coming on, although it should have been done earlier. But the old timers Howard and Hayles should have both gone off early so our side could attack at maximum speed and on all cylinders which is actually what they should have been doing from the time of Hume's first goal.

I was in such despair I was speechless.

There were so many other things too.

The tension in the players was undisguised at times - fault of the manager.

People did attack the near post today but too many deliveries went deep - manager's fault.

Our free kicks continued to be abysmal as I've explained they would be - manager's fault.

There were also insufficient players attacking those free kicks - manager's fault.

Oh yes and Wednesday exploited one major weakness they were doubtless aware of, being close to Leeds - Clapham.

And with Kisnorbo going off and N'Gotty looking like he'd never played football in his life the two weaknesses were almost bound to be fatal.

Song'o and friends took Clapham apart at times and we never dealt with it.

With No Shush!, no Gradel, no King, no Beswick we were never going to score/create enough goals often enough overall. T

Today was a typical example and now I'm afraid there may be some hope remaining but we have no realistic chance of survival and nor do we really deserve to survive after that little effort.

[The Stig]

If we had got rid of Ollie we'd be in just as much trouble. Its the appointement in the first place that should be being questioned. I backed the appointemnt, I feel now that I was wrong.

[Cal]

Thracian for manager

[Jimmy]

I'd of put Mattock on instead of Fryatt so we actually had some width on the left

[maddog]

If we had got rid of Ollie we'd be in just as much trouble. Its the appointement in the first place that should be being questioned. I backed the appointemnt, I feel now that I was wrong.

How would we be in just much trouble? we just wouldn't. We certainly wouldn't be in a relegation battle. If we had stuck with either of our sacked managers this season we wouldn't be in this mess.

Allen, Megson, Taggs/Burrows, they would have all got us safe by now.

Ollie is the only manager we have had this season who is utterly clueless.

The record just says it all, his record is 3rd worst of ANY Leicester manager we have had in history, behind only 2, but they managed in the Premiership/Division 1 in the past which is a lot more difficult.

Ollie is the worst manager we have had in all time, he has the worst record in this division, and it's not like he's employing the right tactics, picking the right players, changing the right tactics, making the right substitutions at the right time, and just getting unlucky, he's doing none of them he's utterly useless.

I'm pretty sure Milan will feel the same as me and a lot of fans, Ollie will certainly be sacked at the end of the season now.

Thank God i won't be seeing that clueless twat on the Leicester City touchline at the Walkers Stadium again.

[Jimmy]

How would we be in just much trouble? we just wouldn't. We certainly wouldn't be in a relegation battle. If we had stuck with either of our sacked managers this season we wouldn't be in this mess.

Allen, Megson, Taggs/Burrows, they would have all got us safe by now.

Ollie is the only manager we have had this season who is utterly clueless.

The record just says it all, his record is 3rd worst of ANY Leicester manager we have had in history, behind only 2, but they managed in the Premiership/Division 1 in the past which is a lot more difficult.

Ollie is the worst manager we have had in all time, he has the worst record in this division, and it's not like he's employing the right tactics, picking the right players, changing the right tactics, making the right substitutions at the right time, and just getting unlucky, he's doing none of them he's utterly useless.

I'm pretty sure Milan will feel the same as me and a lot of fans, Ollie will certainly be sacked at the end of the season now.

Thank God i won't be seeing that clueless twat on the Leicester City touchline at the Walkers Stadium again.

shut up you can't possibly know if Allen or Megson would of kept us up

[The Stig]

How would we be in just much trouble? we just wouldn't. We certainly wouldn't be in a relegation battle. If we had stuck with either of our sacked managers this season we wouldn't be in this mess.

I never said we would

Allen, Megson, Taggs/Burrows, they would have all got us safe by now.

Allen, we'd be down. Megson we wouldn't be in this mess. Tags / burrows not sure

Ollie is the only manager we have had this season who is utterly clueless.

The record just says it all, his record is 3rd worst of ANY Leicester manager we have had in history, behind only 2, but they managed in the Premiership/Division 1 in the past which is a lot more difficult.

Ollie is the worst manager we have had in all time, he has the worst record in this division, and it's not like he's employing the right tactics, picking the right players, changing the right tactics, making the right substitutions at the right time, and just getting unlucky, he's doing none of them he's utterly useless.

I'm pretty sure Milan will feel the same as me and a lot of fans, Ollie will certainly be sacked at the end of the season now.

Thank God i won't be seeing that clueless twat on the Leicester City touchline at the Walkers Stadium again.

I'm not doubting that Holloway has been bad, but, when you change a manager the whole club changes. If we'd got rid of Ian the club would have been thrown into more turmoil as

A. There's been no one out there to replace him

B. The players would be to unstable with yet ANOTHER new routine.

Sacking managers ten to the dozen does damage that it takes a long time to repair. Ollie is having to fix this damage, but I admit he's doing a very bad job.

[TrickyTrev]

shut up you can't possibly know if Allen or Megson would of kept us up

Holloway took over when we were in mid table. It isn't that he has failed to take us a way from a mess, he has dragged us into one.

[wurmer]

Attempting the almost impossible by trying to imagine any way at all that today's performance might help Leicester City I've come up with one thing only.

People did attack the near post today but too many deliveries went deep - manager's fault.

Our free kicks continued to be abysmal as I've explained they would be - manager's fault.

There were also insufficient players attacking those free kicks - manager's fault.

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[Miquel The Work Geordie]

How would we be in just much trouble? we just wouldn't. We certainly wouldn't be in a relegation battle. If we had stuck with either of our sacked managers this season we wouldn't be in this mess.

Allen, Megson, Taggs/Burrows, they would have all got us safe by now.

Megson left of his own accord. If we'd have kept him his commitment to our cause would've surely been in question. Allen didn't get along with Manadric (so it seems), and to have a rift between two significant people at the club would not have benefitted us in any way. So no, the managers we've already had this season wouldn't be doing that much better a job, but there is no doubt that we should've gone for Billy Davies or John Collins, hell, even Joe Royle, in November.

[The Reverend]

Attempting the almost impossible by trying to imagine any way at all that today's performance might help Leicester City I've come up with one thing only.

A recording could be sold to interested parties as a prime example of managerial incompetence.

If Holloway hasn't resigned already I hope MM delivers his own verdict.

"One-nil and you fooked it up," mocked the Wednesday fans and Ciy fans acknowledged the truth of it by joining in.

It gives me no pleasure but it's not as if I waited until it was too late to explain why MM should have got rid of Holloway weeks ago and the reasons why we were in grave danger of relegating ourselves through our misguided approach.

Everything on show today I highlighted previously. Holloway's faith on experience. His ingrained caution. His destruction of the left-side of our team. His failure to attack a game, or attempt to attack it for 90 minutes. His inability to get non-specialists to keep the width. His psychological shortcomings. Our lack of goals and his adding to the problems in that respect.

Well today showed Holloway in glorious technicolour

Even with his old guard on show he got the perfect start with Hume's goal and it was no more than we deserved, appropriate reward for a positive start.

The goal should have encouraged us and signalled more of the same because the reason we scored was so obvious. It was a result of the quick and combative Iain Hume harrassing his opponent to despair. He'd done it several times before the goal and it was obvious he was a nightmare for Sheffield defence to deal with.

After we scored you'd think Holloway would have ordered more of the same or even taken chance to get the equally fast and elusive Campbell on early to harrass them some more cos if he had therew was the prospect of going two or three up and the game being settled by half time.

But no. What we actually did was retreat to set up camp on an area just in front of the penalty box up to the halfway line. Safety first football, tactical nonsense and even more so seeing as Hume and defender Stearman were the only fast breaking players we had.

Sheffield had been seriously reeling but we volunteered them a lifeline. Even the warning of a saved penalty failed to change our philosophy.

Eventually they equalised. We then went into a sort of limbo, a footballing no-man's land where we didn' know whether to attack or defend with inevitably disastrous consequences despite the offer of a free gift (penalty) which we carelessly threw away.

By now Hayles - having a bad game anyway - was nothing short of a liability because he simply failed or refused to provide any width which must have been a godsend for the limited Wednesday defenders.

Holloway could and should have sorted it but instead he committed tactical suicide.

He took Hume off. How idiotic was that?

OKay he missed a penalty. Anyone can miss a penalty. The last thing Hume needed was the added indignity of being substituted because he'd been a hero up to that point and was doubtless champing at the bit to make amends and therefore potentially our most dangerous attacker.

Nothing against DJ and Fryatt coming on, although it should have been done earlier. But the old timers Howard and Hayles should have both gone off early so our side could attack at maximum speed and on all cylinders which is actually what they should have been doing from the time of Hume's first goal.

I was in such despair I was speechless.

There were so many other things too.

The tension in the players was undisguised at times - fault of the manager.

People did attack the near post today but too many deliveries went deep - manager's fault.

Our free kicks continued to be abysmal as I've explained they would be - manager's fault.

There were also insufficient players attacking those free kicks - manager's fault.

Oh yes and Wednesday exploited one major weakness they were doubtless aware of being close to Leeds - Clapham.

And with Kisnorbo going off and N'Gotty looking like he'd never played football in his life the two weaknesses were almost bound to be fatal.

Song'o and friends took Clapham apart at times and we never dealt with it.

With No Shush!, no Gradel, no King, no Beswick we were never going to score/create enough goals often enough overall. T

Today was a typical example and now I'm afraid there may be some hope remaining but we have no realistic chance of survival and nor do we really deserve to survive after that little effort.

And i suppose Hume missing the penalty was Ollie's fault? Blaming Ollie for the players ineptitude is very unfair. you cant blame him for his players taking cinsistently poor set plays. Thats bollocks. And would you have posted this had Hume buried his penalty and we'd of gone on and got a draw or a win? I think not.....

[wurmer]

I'm not doubting that Holloway has been bad, but, when you change a manager the whole club changes. If we'd got rid of Ian the club would have been thrown into more turmoil as

A. There's been no one out there to replace him

B. The players would be to unstable with yet ANOTHER new routine.

Sacking managers ten to the dozen does damage that it takes a long time to repair. Ollie is having to fix this damage, but I admit he's doing a very bad job.

6 games ago I would have agreed with you, and I actually posted at that time that we should stick with him for the duration - but I didn't honestly expect that it would get this bad.

Getting rid of him now will not make 1 iota of difference to what happens next week - and I wouldn't suggest getting rid of him right now, if I thought it would. If it means that Hume starts, up front and not on the sodding wing, then it might improve things.

I'm completely convinced that he is not the man for us next season - whichever division we are in. He is a lame duck and I'm frankly sick of his excuses and stupid face appearing in the media, going on and on about Bristol bloody Rovers.

[Chimp]

[..] But no. What we actually did was retreat to set up camp on an area just in front of the penalty box up to the halfway line. Safety first football, tactical nonsense and even more so seeing as Hume and defender Stearman were the only fast breaking players we had.

While I agree with the majprity of your observations, I don't think the team did overly sit back, we pushed for the second goal when in possession. When the move started for the Sheff Weds equaliser, we had every player in their half.

What disappointed me the most was the attitude of the players once they equalised. They were like rabbits caught in the headlights of a 40-ton truck. You could see their confidence disappear almost instantly. There's only one man who can be blamed for this, Holloway.

Holloway is a panicker. You can see this in his substitutions, his complete tactical ineptitude as soon as things get a bit tense... he's shown himself to have zero ability in motivating and bolstering the players, let alone himself. He needs to go.

[Flynny]

First time I've felt even a bit like sacking him - but the football today wasn't particularly negative at all. Wesolowski was supporting attack after attack beautifully, in particular, thats the first time we've had a central midfielder doing that in some time.

He'll go, mostly because it was a sell out. As the game started I was shouting "this is fucking incredible", and I've no doubt Mandaric felt the same, and was probably thinking that the stadium'd be like that every week if we were mounting any kind of promotion push. Then we went one nil up, the crowd went mental, the football looked good and it finally looked like maybe everything had clicked and we were being offered a glimpse into a more successful season to come next term.

The swiftness that this good feeling disappeared with will have lost Ollie his job. Because the stadium SHOULD be like that every week, and the football we played for the first half hour is the minimum return he should expect for his investment.

[Ultra]

I'm not doubting that Holloway has been bad, but, when you change a manager the whole club changes. If we'd got rid of Ian the club would have been thrown into more turmoil as

A. There's been no one out there to replace him

Not true. There's at least a dozen out of work managers who would have done better than this yokel fcukwit.

B. The players would be to unstable with yet ANOTHER new routine.

And the cretins who soiled the shirt yet again were a beacon of stability today, were they?

Sacking managers ten to the dozen does damage that it takes a long time to repair.

As does sticking with a moron who has proved time and again that he is out of his depth at this football club.

[Chimp]

And i suppose Hume missing the penalty was Ollie's fault?

You can blame Holloway for Hume's lack of confidence as he stood up to take the penalty, and his petulant, piss-poor attitude once things don't start going his way... all it takes is for a few referee-ing decisions to be given against him and Hume starts acting like a spoilt fukcing teenager.

Yes, Hume is one of our best players, we'd be in a hell of a lot of shit without him and yes, he's one of the few that at least consistently tries to make things happen. BUT, the 'mardy-arse attitude once things go a little against you' is something that should have been dealt with in Hume a long time ago.

Blaming Ollie for the players ineptitude is very unfair. you cant blame him for his players taking cinsistently poor set plays.

Why? He's resoponsible for making sure they train and practise these things?

Thats bollocks. And would you have posted this had Hume buried his penalty and we'd of gone on and got a draw or a win? I think not.....

No point in if's and but's, we can only comment on the situation as it is and how we see it.

[Fox You Forest]

Not true. There's at least a dozen out of work managers who would have done better than this yokel fcukwit.

And the cretins who soiled the shirt yet again were a beacon of stability today, were they?

As does sticking with a moron who has proved time and again that he is out of his depth at this football club.

It's funny because i saw you looking in the Holloway Out thread last night night but you didnt coment in it, Is that because they won last weekend and now they have lost your all over it again.

[Ultra]

Look at my signature. It's been there for the last SIX WEEKS! .

Are you still in any doubt how i feel about our p!sspoor excuse for a manager?

[Ultra]

You can blame Holloway for Hume's lack of confidence as he stood up to take the penalty, and his petulant, piss-poor attitude once things don't start going his way... all it takes is for a few referee-ing decisions to be given against

It went far deeper than that. Hume was causing chaos in the Wednesday defence, so what does the yokel fcukwit do? Put him on the wing for the second half.

No wonder his mind was in bits and he was in no fit state to take the penalty.

[The Reverend]

You can blame Holloway for Hume's lack of confidence as he stood up to take the penalty, and his petulant, piss-poor attitude once things don't start going his way... all it takes is for a few referee-ing decisions to be given against him and Hume starts acting like a spoilt fukcing teenager.

Yes, Hume is one of our best players, we'd be in a hell of a lot of shit without him and yes, he's one of the few that at least consistently tries to make things

happen. BUT, the 'mardy-arse attitude once things go a little against you' is something that should have been dealt with in Hume a long time ago.

Why would he not be confident? He'd already scored a goal. You have no idea wether he was confident or not. Anyone can miss a penalty, regardless of their confidence in a high pressure situation. Look at Ronaldo the other night.

And you can blame Holloway for his petulant attitude? Haha, i've never heard such bollocks! Like Ferguson's tamed Rooneys petulant, piss poor, far worse than Humes attitude?! An attitude is innate. It cant be changed, its natural. Some would say to try to change this would be to take something away from the player (ala Rooney).

Why? He's resoponsible for making sure they train and practise these things?

Yes he is, and do you know if they do practice them or not? Just because they consistently deliver poor balls, it doesnt mean they dont practice them. It means that they have no bottle.

No point in if's and but's, we can only comment on the situation as it is and how we see it.

Correct.

[davieG]

Holloway Remains Positive

Posted on: Sat 26 Apr 2008

Ian Holloway believes his squad have the ability to bounce back from disappointment when they face Stoke City next weekend.

Holloway's men went into their penultimate game of the season against Sheffield Wednesday at the Walkers Stadium knowing that a win would be enough to secure their Championship status.

But a 3-1 reverse means that it will now go down to the wire at the Britannia Stadium.

He said: "We deservedly got ourselves in the lead. We had a fantastic start to the game and the fans were brilliant. Birch did a brilliant job on the pitch and that lifted everyone.

"Henderson made a great save and I did think to myself that maybe it was going to be our day.

"But we have been undone when we were trying to press for a second. They left four up and there was far too big a gap from where Stearman has crossed it to my backline. So from almost going two goals up we have ended up at 1-1.

"Some of the pace that they had in certain areas seemed to hurt us far too much. We missed Kisnorbo when he went off. We played far too deep.

"Two weeks ago people were writing us off. Everyone had us down to be relegated because we were the team in that bottom position. But then we went to Barnsley and beat them.

"We now need West Brom to beat Southampton on Monday evening. If they don't then we have got to go to Stoke and get something. We may well have to go there and get all three.

"The most disappointing thing for me is we feel are now left feeling like Barnsley did last week. Can we respond like they did? I certainly think so.

"I have told the players that they had better be ready for the hardest week of their lives. They have now got to face up to that challenge."

Meanwhile, Holloway shed light on the situation regarding Patrick Kisnorbo, who was stretchered from the field of play in the early stages of the contest.

He added: "We won't have a real idea about the extent of Patrick's injury until next week, but I have to say it is not looking good. He's certainly not going to feature against Stoke."

[Fox You Forest]

It went far deeper than that. Hume was causing chaos in the Wednesday defence, so what does the yokel fcukwit do? Put him on the wing for the second half.

No wonder his mind was in bits and he was in no fit state to take the penalty.

I agree with that, was a big mistake moving him out to the wing he was looking good upfront and causing problems. as to your other post in the last "SIX WEEKS" this will be the third time i have asked you to name a replacement lets see if we have any luck this time.?

[lookwhaticando]

The mouth has opened.

The words ignored.

[Chimp]

And you can blame Holloway for his petulant attitude? Haha, i've never heard such bollocks! Like Ferguson's tamed Rooneys petulant, piss poor, far worse than Humes attitude?! An attitude is innate. It cant be changed, its natural. Some would say to try to change this would be to take something away from the player (ala Rooney).

No, when Rooney gets pissed off he gets angry and starts throwing himself about. When Hume gets pissed off he STOPS TRYING.

Time and time agin we've seen it from Hume. We need a manager that has faith in Hume as our best striker, to put him up front consistently and to drill into him the mental toughness and maturity that is needed in that role.

[The Reverend]

No, when Rooney gets pissed off he gets angry and starts throwing himself about. When Hume gets pissed off he STOPS TRYING.

Time and time agin we've seen it from Hume. We need a manager that has faith in Hume as our best striker, to put him up front consistently and to drill into him the mental toughness and maturity that is needed in that role.

Well i disagree, i think Hume when pissed off, starts flying into challenges, and backchatting the officials, just like Rooney does.