Hollowords

[wurmer]

No, when Rooney gets pissed off he gets angry and starts throwing himself about. When Hume gets pissed off he STOPS TRYING.

Time and time agin we've seen it from Hume. We need a manager that has faith in Hume as our best striker, to put him up front consistently and to drill into him the mental toughness and maturity that is needed in that role.

We officially have the worst strike record in the League, and what do we go and do in the 2nd half - we move the forward who has been scoring goals to the wing, and then sub him later.

I agree to a certain extent that he needs to just dig-in, but to be honest, when tactical decisions like that are being made about you, you can't help but think that he must be thinking...

"WTF is that about?"

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Holloway took over when we were in mid table. It isn't that he has failed to take us a way from a mess, he has dragged us into one.

http://www.lcfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Leagu...0071110,00.html

Following the defeat against Burnley, Frank Burrows last game in charge, 2 points above the bottom 3.

Although I'm pro-Ollie, I won't take sides in this particular discussion, but that just isn't true.

[Ultra]

So, despite having a budget most managers in this league would kill for, the yokel fcukwit has made our position WORSE?

And you STILL insist on sitting on the fence?

[wurmer]

http://www.lcfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Leagu...0071110,00.html

Following the defeat against Burnley, Frank Burrows last game in charge, 2 points above the bottom 3.

Although I'm pro-Ollie, I won't take sides in this particular discussion, but that just isn't true.

I'm not trying to draw you into a war of words here, but I'm wondering what particular things still make you pro-Ollie, because I'm really struggling to understand how anyone can be at the moment.

PM me if you want, if you don't feel like posting....

[The Reverend]

So, despite having a budget most managers in this league would kill for, the yokel fcukwit has made our position WORSE?

And you STILL insist on sitting on the fence?

Oh change the fcuking record, we've heard it enough today.

[Fox You Forest]

So, despite having a budget most managers in this league would kill for, the yokel fcukwit has made our position WORSE?

And you STILL insist on sitting on the fence?

I see you avoided my question for a third time

Atleast you get to keep the match ball for your hattrick.

[mickydeeeuk]

Attempting the almost impossible by trying to imagine any way at all that today's performance might help Leicester City I've come up with one thing only.

A recording could be sold to interested parties as a prime example of managerial incompetence.

If Holloway hasn't resigned already I hope MM delivers his own verdict.

"One-nil and you fooked it up," mocked the Wednesday fans and Ciy fans acknowledged the truth of it by joining in.

It gives me no pleasure but it's not as if I waited until it was too late to explain why MM should have got rid of Holloway weeks ago and the reasons why we were in grave danger of relegating ourselves through our misguided approach.

Everything on show today I highlighted previously. Holloway's faith on experience. His ingrained caution. His destruction of the left-side of our team. His failure to attack a game, or attempt to attack it for 90 minutes. His inability to get non-specialists to keep the width. His psychological shortcomings. Our lack of goals and his adding to the problems in that respect.

Well today showed Holloway in glorious technicolour

Even with his old guard on show he got the perfect start with Hume's goal and it was no more than we deserved, appropriate reward for a positive start.

The goal should have encouraged us and signalled more of the same because the reason we scored was so obvious. It was a result of the quick and combative Iain Hume harrassing his opponent to despair. He'd done it several times before the goal and it was obvious he was a nightmare for Sheffield defence to deal with.

After we scored you'd think Holloway would have ordered more of the same or even taken chance to get the equally fast and elusive Campbell on early to harrass them some more cos if he had therew was the prospect of going two or three up and the game being settled by half time.

But no. What we actually did was retreat to set up camp on an area just in front of the penalty box up to the halfway line. Safety first football, tactical nonsense and even more so seeing as Hume and defender Stearman were the only fast breaking players we had.

Sheffield had been seriously reeling but we volunteered them a lifeline. Even the warning of a saved penalty failed to change our philosophy.

Eventually they equalised. We then went into a sort of limbo, a footballing no-man's land where we didn' know whether to attack or defend with inevitably disastrous consequences despite the offer of a free gift (penalty) which we carelessly threw away.

By now Hayles - having a bad game anyway - was nothing short of a liability because he simply failed or refused to provide any width which must have been a godsend for the limited Wednesday defenders.

Holloway could and should have sorted it but instead he committed tactical suicide.

He took Hume off. How idiotic was that?

OKay he missed a penalty. Anyone can miss a penalty. The last thing Hume needed was the added indignity of being substituted because he'd been a hero up to that point and was doubtless champing at the bit to make amends and therefore potentially our most dangerous attacker.

Nothing against DJ and Fryatt coming on, although it should have been done earlier. But the old timers Howard and Hayles should have both gone off early so our side could attack at maximum speed and on all cylinders which is actually what they should have been doing from the time of Hume's first goal.

I was in such despair I was speechless.

There were so many other things too.

The tension in the players was undisguised at times - fault of the manager.

People did attack the near post today but too many deliveries went deep - manager's fault.

Our free kicks continued to be abysmal as I've explained they would be - manager's fault.

There were also insufficient players attacking those free kicks - manager's fault.

Oh yes and Wednesday exploited one major weakness they were doubtless aware of being close to Leeds - Clapham.

And with Kisnorbo going off and N'Gotty looking like he'd never played football in his life the two weaknesses were almost bound to be fatal.

Song'o and friends took Clapham apart at times and we never dealt with it.

With No Shush!, no Gradel, no King, no Beswick we were never going to score/create enough goals often enough overall. T

Today was a typical example and now I'm afraid there may be some hope remaining but we have no realistic chance of survival and nor do we really deserve to survive after that little effort.

couldnt have put it better myself mate!

[Chimp]

Well i disagree, i think Hume when pissed off, starts flying into challenges, and backchatting the officials, just like Rooney does.

Okay, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

I think we both know that arguments over Hume, arguably our most commited player, are kind of by-the-by when we consider the situation we find ourselves in and the other players and issues that could be disucssed.

[wurmer]

Oh change the fcuking record, we've heard it enough today.

To be honest, you gotta expect people to want to get it out of their system today I think.

Better than smashing stuff up.....

[Yaxx]

No, when Rooney gets pissed off he gets angry and starts throwing himself about. When Hume gets pissed off he STOPS TRYING.

Time and time agin we've seen it from Hume. We need a manager that has faith in Hume as our best striker, to put him up front consistently and to drill into him the mental toughness and maturity that is needed in that role.

At least he was actually trying, unlike most of the tossers. I just couldn't believe it when that gobshite gibbon took him off. Who the hell did Holloway think was going to score? Not those other f**king wankers that's for sure.

I've said several times that Holloway can talk the talk but we needed to know whether he could walk the walk. The answer is a resounding NO. Tactically inept and totally out of his depth. Our worst manager by far. Even worse than that dreary twat Levein. But you know, what really pisses me off with the guy is that he has to constantly act the clown and unfortunately he's managed to turn the club into one big f**king circus.

[teblin]

I can't believe Holloway hasn't got more stick, the man has a worse record than Taylor and Pleat. He talks about balance and when he has the chance for balance he plays a striker on the wing. Then rather than putting any though behind the subs, he just shoves more strikers on. Which meant there was no width to the play at all.

[The Reverend]

Okay, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

I think we both know that arguments over Hume, arguably our most commited player, are kind of by-the-by when we consider the situation we find ourselves in and the other players and issues that could be disucssed.

Fair point

[Ultra]

I see you avoided my question for a third time

Atleast you get to keep the match ball for your hattrick.

OK, here goes...

Sam Allardyce

Billy Davies

Iain Dowie

Micky Adams

Joe Royle

Peter Reid

David O'Leary

Steve Cotterill

Sammy Lee

Lawrie Sanchez

Ray Graydon

Trevor Francis

George Graham

Glenn Hoddle

Mike Newell

Mike Walker

John Aldridge

Frank Clark

Bruce Rioch

Graeme Souness

Is that enough for you??

[Ultra]

Oh change the fcuking record, we've heard it enough today.

Too many folk still refuse to listen.

I'm sure they''ll turn out in droves for that midweek JPT clash next season though...

[Thracian]

And i suppose Hume missing the penalty was Ollie's fault? Blaming Ollie for the players ineptitude is very unfair. you cant blame him for his players taking cinsistently poor set plays. Thats bollocks. And would you have posted this had Hume buried his penalty and we'd of gone on and got a draw or a win? I think not.....

I have been almost as angry had we drawn because it would still have been two points thrown away after a game that was there for the taking.

Injury hit Wednesday have had an awful run and it was plain to see why in the first 20 minutes.

Anyone can miss a penalty or misdirect a free-kick but to talk of set plays generally you only get rid of any specialist if you got a replacement who's as good or better. We've not brought in anyone close to the same class as Shush! and the only modest set-piece takers we've got are injured.

Who else would you blame but the manager for that being the situation?

I mentioned it when he first did it and virtually every game since has emphasised the sheer stupidity of the decision, which Leeds, incidentally, seem to have benefitted from quite nicely with their six successive clean sheets and their play-off place.

I wonder if they'll want Clapham back?

[Daggers]

Too many folk still refuse to listen.

I'm sure they''ll turn out in droves for that midweek JPT clash next season though...

Why do you insist on being so antagonistic? You do yourself no favours with this manner of posting and then get all pissy when people start having a pop at you.

Do yourself a favour - you've made your point several times, now go find something more constructive to do.

I'm going to have a curry.

[Ultra]

Why do you insist on being so antagonistic? You do yourself no favours with this manner of posting and then get all pissy when people start having a pop at you.

Do yourself a favour - you've made your point several times, now go find something more constructive to do.

I'm going to have a curry.

As an extremely sanctimonious cheerleader for the pro-Holloway brigade, a few words of penitence from you might have been welcome.

The fact you can't bring yourself to type them shows just what kind of "supporter" you are.

[The Reverend]

OK, here goes...

Sam Allardyce - no chance

Billy Davies - will be looking for bigger than us

Iain Dowie- i'drather have peter taylor back

Micky Adams -

Joe Royle -Tried once. Wont come

Peter Reid

David O'Leary - No chance

Steve Cotterill - He's done the same as Holloway has

Sammy Lee - No chance

Lawrie Sanchez - No thanks

Ray Graydon

Trevor Francis

George Graham

Glenn Hoddle Wouldnt come here

Mike Newell - Maybe. But whats he done that Holloway hasnt?

Mike Walker

John Aldridge

Frank Clark - No

Bruce Rioch - No

Graeme Souness

Is that enough for you??

One then.

[Fox You Forest]

OK, here goes...

Sam Allardyce

Billy Davies

Iain Dowie

Micky Adams

Joe Royle

Peter Reid

David O'Leary

Steve Cotterill

Sammy Lee

Lawrie Sanchez

Ray Graydon

Trevor Francis

George Graham

Glenn Hoddle

Mike Newell

Mike Walker

John Aldridge

Frank Clark

Bruce Rioch

Graeme Souness

Is that enough for you??

I have never seen anything quiet like it to be honest.

[Ultra]

One then.

How many tabs of acid have you taken to come up with a response like that?

ALL of the names would have done better than this clown, and you know it!!

[The Reverend]

How many tabs of acid have you taken to come up with a response like that?

ALL of the names would have done better than this clown, and you know it!!

Hahahaha.

[Mike the Metal Ed]

I'm not trying to draw you into a war of words here, but I'm wondering what particular things still make you pro-Ollie, because I'm really struggling to understand how anyone can be at the moment.

PM me if you want, if you don't feel like posting....

Maybe it's more pro-stability, maybe because he's still better than Megson drawing his way into League One. If we go down, no one man would have saved us, this season has been a comedy of errors, right from Allen sacking the bloke that recommended Nielsen and Hellings. No doubt, he made tactical decisions today that I disagreed with, none of these were defensive. You can't blame the manager for us conceding at least two of those three goals. Neither did he, as has been said, cause Hume to miss his penalty. Hume has been our regular penalty taker all season, and that miss rests on his shoulders and his alone. There is no singular cause to our downfall this season, Milan's chop and changing, Allen's attitude, Megson's negativity, Ollie's, at times, odd ideas, we haven't been, nor looked "safe" at any point this season, despite what some would have you believe. We have to look now to the Stoke game, get three points (we're statistically better against good teams than bad ones). Then Milan can either sack Holloway and STICK BY HIS NEW MAN next season, or we can actually slow things down for a bit and let people find their feet rather than looking for quick fixes all the time.

[Fox You Forest]

How many tabs of acid have you taken to come up with a response like that?

ALL of the names would have done better than this clown, and you know it!!

There are some on that list that would do a better job than Holloway but there the ones that wouldnt come here in the first place

[breadandcheese]

As much as it pains me, I agree with Ultra.

Should the gods be smiling down upon us and we stay up, Holloway still has to go and we have to get someone else in to work with the team over the summer and build something.

Today, his tactics were a shambles. Granted with Hendrie's injury, the left wing problem has resurfaced so anyone we play there will generally be a filler, but moving Hume to a midfield role when he is our top goal scorer for the second half was just madness.

Despite this, I don't think you can knock Holloway for taking Hume off because he was knackered and becoming ineffectual so the fresh legs were needed.

One thing that also annoys me is the timings of the substitutions. They always come too late when we then have to throw everything at it, leaving the space open and conceding the third.

Howard cannot start against Stoke. He was abysmal.

[Father Ted]

Not true. There's at least a dozen out of work managers who would have done better than this yokel fcukwit.

And the cretins who soiled the shirt yet again were a beacon of stability today, were they?

As does sticking with a moron who has proved time and again that he is out of his depth at this football club.

I actually agree with you on Ollie - he is poor, although at least he will be a good manager...

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