Thracian Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 I still say he should stay - and so did 75% of you last week compared to just two thirds of you the week before.How's your opinion bearing up in the face of a loss and imminent relegation? Perhaps it takes some people longer to see the light. I can't think of one logical argument in defence of Holloway. I didn't want him when Levein left, I didn't want him when Kelly left and I've seen no reason to change my mind since though I did wish him well when he started.
dandannieldanok Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 Come on Ollie... pull the team together and prove people wrong... I'd love it to happen and for him to sort us out. Bit late for him to be "pulling the team together".
Uncle Albert Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 I have finally come to the decision that I don't want him at the club next season.
Master Fox Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 Sling your hook i say. He's a proven useless tw*t.
FilboFox Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 Bit late for him to be "pulling the team together". Well I kinda meant for next year in the Championship... I'm confident enough we'll stay up!
Corky Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 I've given him my full backing, I'm not the sort of person who wants managers sacked (except Taylor and Megson), but I want him to go. His tactics are questionable, his comments and quips are not funny any more, I'm not sure his man-management skills are very good either. I haven't really got anything against Holloway the man, just Holloway the manager.
Koke Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 its closer than i thought Yeah it is. I thought this would one of most one sided poll in recent history. But I'm surprised it's closer than I thought. I've backed Holloway, and I still do for that matter. But the man isn't doing himself any favors when he commits those major cock-ups as he did against Wednesday.
Corky Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 Holloway is worse than Taylor! That is a big statement. I don't agree with it by the way
Flynny Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 I've gone from "Ollie In" to total ambivalence at the minute. In theory I could see him being decent next season if we stay up, but sacking him would be entirely reasonable however our season ends. He's done badly. Having said that, I'd only support his sacking for a proven quality manager, which are rare as hen's teeth, or someone exciting and up and coming. Paul Ince in particular. What's more I don't think this is an unreasonable or fickle opinion to hold at all.
Guest Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 I've gone from "Ollie In" to total ambivalence at the minute. In theory I could see him being decent next season if we stay up, but sacking him would be entirely reasonable however our season ends. He's done badly.Having said that, I'd only support his sacking for a proven quality manager, which are rare as hen's teeth, or someone exciting and up and coming. Paul Ince in particular. What's more I don't think this is an unreasonable or fickle opinion to hold at all. I agree. It's alright people banging on about him going, but what's the alternative? Ian Dowie? Bryan Robson? I'd rather stick with what we've got!
Chimp Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 I agree. It's alright people banging on about him going, but what's the alternative? Ian Dowie? Bryan Robson? I'd rather stick with what we've got! Personally I don't care if there is no immediate replacement. I think the team would be better off with a caretaker manager for as long as it takes to find an appropriate replacement. I just want Rat-Boy out of our club before he demoralises and alienates any more of our young talent.
Kilworthfox Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 Holloway is worse than Taylor! Short memory huh?
lavrentis Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 Holloway is worse than Taylor! Taylor fooked the club up, Holloway hasn't actually improved it.
Thracian Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 I agree. It's alright people banging on about him going, but what's the alternative? Ian Dowie? Bryan Robson? I'd rather stick with what we've got! So would I if they were the alternatives but I'm quite sure there are better options. Mike Newell for a start. I'd have no worries about a promising up and coming manager either if he ticked the right boxes. This club needs refreshing right through. We need someone who appreciates and develops what we've got, properly mends what we haven't got and, above all, gets more out of people than they'd even expect of themselves. We need the Beaglehole recipe to run right through the club. We've got to make football fun again like Keegan does.
Eastern Fox Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 We can't win at home against the worst teams in the league...get rid of him please.
FilboFox Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 Holloway is worse than Taylor! HA! You are joking right!?! Taylor came in to a good midtable Premiership team and turned them into a poor midtable Championship team and we've slowly disintegrated since then... Holloway came into a poor relegation battling team and we still are...
FilboFox Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 So would I if they were the alternatives but I'm quite sure there are better options. Mike Newell for a start.I'd have no worries about a promising up and coming manager either if he ticked the right boxes. This club needs refreshing right through. We need someone who appreciates and develops what we've got, properly mends what we haven't got and, above all, gets more out of people than they'd even expect of themselves. We need the Beaglehole recipe to run right through the club. We've got to make football fun again like Keegan does. Mike Newell... oh for FOOK'S sake... if he came, I'd be starting "Newell Out" threads from week one! I hate him about as much as Warnock!
Kilworthfox Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 Taylor fooked the club up, Holloway hasn't actually improved it. I actually want Holloway to stay. I don't see how much worse he is than any other manager in the last 5 years. The club, players and yes, even the majority of fans have not exactly been great in these past seasons have they! The club has had awful financial problems, the players have been down far more often than up and the fans only get going when were in the shit. To blame Holloway for relegation would be equivalent of walking up the high street and claiming to have climbed Everest. I don't see the logic in searching for an alternate present by looking to managers from the past, with comments about Kelly, Allen, Worthington etc..... as they all got the boot as they were not right for the job. Yes they all did tit bits to improve some minor aspect of the club but also did minor / major damage also but not being able to change the endemic attitudes of the players at this club. We have don't have a winning mentality, I can not remember when we last had one. The players have no stomach for a fight, they lose 50 / 50 balls, they take the lead, then go down to being level and utterly lose their heads. These traits are not down to Holloway, they have all been here since before he came here. I remember the collapses of Boro away 3v3 when leading 3v1 up in the 90th minute, Spurs at home losing 2v1, and even on the 1st day having a 2 goal lead vs Southampton after 10 minutes and losing 2 points. I am struggling to list when we have overturned such deficits in the past 5 years! I could carry on from there but why we all know it is true........ The players take the blame! If you think it is down to Holloway then he is your scapegoat! A turnaround of the playing staff is needed with no exception. Big money signings are not essential here as, just because you are paying a big wage or fee does not mean you get a huge desire! Who are the ones with the essential attributes mentally for a fight? Hume, Hendrie (sign him if we stay up!) Hayles (but as a sub he is too old for 90 minutes) & Possibly (and I will tell you why) Clemence, Stearman(yes I can say it), Kisnorbo, McAuley, Mattock, Shush!, as they will not change a game on their own but do have fighting qualities to fight when the team is needing to be the "dogs of war" that relegation is avoided with. I am not however endorsing a mass clear out but a fresh desire in pre season with new blood and a winners mentality, surely we can detect that characteristic? The thing that Holloway is at fault for is not being able to change these losing characteristics, just like the previous crap we have had. If you don't have a opinion which you can back up, if you don't go to games, if you have actually not watched us this season but rely on a tosspot sheepshagger on RL to tell you, don't comment as all you have is frustration and not a clear picture of what is happening at the club! What is needed is for everyone to stay positive, as you need the I told you so when we do stay up I will be at Stoke, I and the other 1999 will be in full voice hoping our boys do us proud even tho if they do we have been severely short changed this season, but we will be back next, Blue Army!
Chimp Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 I actually want Holloway to stay. I don't see how much worse he is than any other manager in the last 5 years. [snip] What a load of bollocks. You can't compare the pre-Milan era to the situation we are in now. Holloway has had a HUGE amount of financial freedom, and a lot of time, in which to get things right. He has summarily failed to do so. Adams - lost virtually his whole first team and was left with no finances to replace them. Levein / Kelly - always trying to get by on a shoestring budget and forever being restricted in what they could do in the transfer market. Other managers weren't here long enough to make any impact.
Kilworthfox Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 What a load of bollocks.You can't compare the pre-Milan era to the situation we are in now. Holloway has had a HUGE amount of financial freedom, and a lot of time, in which to get things right. He has summarily failed to do so. Adams - lost virtually his whole first team and was left with no finances to replace them. Levein / Kelly - always trying to get by on a shoestring budget and forever being restricted in what they could do in the transfer market. Other managers weren't here long enough to make any impact. I do not believe that half a season is lots of time. How can you possibly judge a manager when he has joined a race half way through and blame him for the entire outcome? Surely that is illogical? Adams signed players with release clauses and some huge contracts were ending and we could not match the huge wage which they had previously been on. Adams lost the dressing room, Adams did not have much chance of keeping us up in the prem IMO, however this is all in the past. Levein - well lets not go there Kelly- had to deal with alot of shit and did ok, but could not change the mentality of the side!
Legend_in_blue Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 I do not believe that half a season is lots of time. How can you possibly judge a manager when he has joined a race half way through and blame him for the entire outcome? Surely that is illogical?Adams signed players with release clauses and some huge contracts were ending and we could not match the huge wage which they had previously been on. Adams lost the dressing room, Adams did not have much chance of keeping us up in the prem IMO, however this is all in the past. Levein - well lets not go there Kelly- had to deal with alot of shit and did ok, but could not change the mentality of the side! Me and the KilworthFox here are thinking on the same wavelength. It's us two against 10,000. Up for it? Just bring it!
Chimp Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 I do not believe that half a season is lots of time. How can you possibly judge a manager when he has joined a race half way through and blame him for the entire outcome? Surely that is illogical? I blame Holloway because, for the first time since going into administration, I believe we have a group of players that should be a half-decent Championship team. We have don't have a winning mentality, I can not remember when we last had one. The players have no stomach for a fight, they lose 50 / 50 balls, they take the lead, then go down to being level and utterly lose their heads. Which is something that should be tackled and adressed by the manager. If there is a malaise at the club then he's had plenty of time to sort it out. He's not only failed to improve the situation, but, going on what I've seen on the pitch recently, just made things worse.
Father Ted Posted 29 April 2008 Posted 29 April 2008 HA! You are joking right!?!Taylor came in to a good midtable Premiership team and turned them into a poor midtable Championship team and we've slowly disintegrated since then... Holloway came into a poor relegation battling team and we still are... Maybe I was a bit over the top but no I'm not joking. They are both tw*ts of the highest order - one started the decline of the club off and now the other is going to finish the club off!
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