Know this ****?

[MC Prussian]

Unbelievable!!! Whether it was £10 or £10,000, you can't put any blame on the man who got robbed. If they'd stolen valuable war medals then would it have been his fault for fighting for his country?? Or if they'd stolen a large expensive TV then would it have been his fault because he should read more??

Just think about what you're saying before you type for once.

Nobody enters another man's house for £10 only, unless you're an absolutely desperate lowlife and/or a drug addict skint to your teeth.

Put it whatever way you want it, but keeping ten grand at home and unsecured, is one hell of a foolish act.

But then again, it happens with such a regularity that one must question the old generation's philosophy with "saving money".

You know, all these criminal couples going to elderly people's places and getting them entangled in some sort of conversation and claiming to be a part of the family or knowing other members of that family. Then they enter the apartment under this false pretense, one keeps the grandpa/grandma involved in talking, while the other's going for valuables.

He should've rather opened an account with a decent bank, at least you'd have gotten some interest out of it (even if only a meagre one).

NEVER keep such large amounts of money at home. It's grossly negligent.

As for the war medals, TV analogy - I can't really relate to that. Whether he owned either one is pure speculation.

[Guest]

Nobody enters another man's house for £10 only, unless you're absolutely desperate and skint to your teeth.

The kind of scum that carry out these thefts are opportunists. They know that many elderly people do not like to use banks, and hope that they can find the one who likes to live modestly, and has always kept their savings for a rainy day.

It's easy to sit here and say that these people should keep their money in bank accounts, and there are many reasons why they don't, but really, shouldn't we all be allowed to keep our property, whether it is expensive electronic gadgets, sentimental items or even cash, where the hell we want to, and keep it there without the fear of some bone idle tosser, who can't be arsed to go out and earn whatever it is they thieve, coming along an nicking it?

[Tommy G]

Lots of older people have never had a bank account and many do not trust them with their money -frankly who can blame them.

I can blame them. How many people do you know who have had money lost at a bank, or that the bank has gone bust? If it wasn't for the media coverage on the Northern Rock issue for example, which made people withdraw from them - then they would still be in a decent position.

Now Northern Rock is under public ownsership it's about the safest place to invest you're money. You must be out you're mind to stash 10 grand in a cupboard like he did.

But taking that all into account, I do feel sorry for the bloke, and I hope they catch the scally that did it.

[syston_fox]

Nobody enters another man's house for £10 only, unless you're an absolutely desperate lowlife and/or a drug addict skint to your teeth.

Put it whatever way you want it, but keeping ten grand at home and unsecured, is one hell of a foolish act.

But then again, it happens with such a regularity that one must question the old generation's philosophy with "saving money".

You know, all these criminal couples going to elderly people's places and getting them entangled in some sort of conversation and claiming to be a part of the family or knowing other members of that family. Then they enter the apartment under this false pretense, one keeps the grandpa/grandma involved in talking, while the other's going for valuables.

He should've rather opened an account with a decent bank, at least you'd have gotten some interest out of it (even if only a meagre one).

NEVER keep such large amounts of money at home. It's grossly negligent.

As for the war medals, TV analogy - I can't really relate to that. Whether he owned either one is pure speculation.

I know how the con works but I don't know how people can say it was his own fault for having 10 grand nicked because he chose to keep it in his house. Keeping vast sums of money at home isn't a clever idea but how can people claim it's his own fault at the end of the day unless he walked round with a sandwich board saying "I have £10,000 hidden under my bed and love to chat to random people on my doorstep while leaving my back door unlocked"

[Zingari]

I know how the con works but I don't know how people can say it was his own fault for having 10 grand nicked because he chose to keep it in his house. Keeping vast sums of money at home isn't a clever idea but how can people claim it's his own fault at the end of the day unless he walked round with a sandwich board saying "I have £10,000 hidden under my bed and love to chat to random people on my doorstep while leaving my back door unlocked"

he said it was his own fault himself ;

from the merc

Ken, who has lived at the property in Cotley Road for more than 50 years, said he blamed himself for the burglary.

Ken, who lives alone, said: "It was my own fault, but he was very smartly dressed, so I told him to come in. He went into the kitchen and took the U-bend out and had everything out on the floor. He was turning the water on and I was getting the water in the bowl and throwing it away out

[syston_fox]

Ken, who has lived at the property in Cotley Road for more than 50 years, said he blamed himself for the burglary.

Ken, who lives alone, said: "It was my own fault, but he was very smartly dressed, so I told him to come in. He went into the kitchen and took the U-bend out and had everything out on the floor. He was turning the water on and I was getting the water in the bowl and throwing it away out

I read that as he blames himself for being to trusting and letting the guy in, not that its his own fault for having so much in the house.

[Zingari]

I read that as he blames himself for being to trusting and letting the guy in, not that its his own fault for having so much in the house.

either way i think he accepts that he has been a silly old booger ;

but i agree with you, the scum that took the money are really to blame for it all

[MC Prussian]

The kind of scum that carry out these thefts are opportunists. They know that many elderly people do not like to use banks, and hope that they can find the one who likes to live modestly, and has always kept their savings for a rainy day.

It's easy to sit here and say that these people should keep their money in bank accounts, and there are many reasons why they don't, but really, shouldn't we all be allowed to keep our property, whether it is expensive electronic gadgets, sentimental items or even cash, where the hell we want to, and keep it there without the fear of some bone idle tosser, who can't be arsed to go out and earn whatever it is they thieve, coming along an nicking it?

Look, I didn't say I don't feel sorry for the guy.

Do you keep anything precious at home, preferrably in the range of £10K?

Can I come round your place?

And if there's any expert around - can you insure money you keep at home?

[Tommy G]

Look, I didn't say I don't feel sorry for the guy.

Do you keep anything precious at home, preferrably in the range of £10K?

Can I come round your place?

And if there's any expert around - can you insure money you keep at home?

No I don't think you can. From an insurance companies point of view, it would be too risky. If the money went missing then who's to say the client wouldn't over exaggerate how much had been stolen etc. Because cash is such a liquid asset compared with property/cars etc its difficult to insure as it could be easily change. The net present value would change I believe, for example if we wen't into a period of hyper inflation then the money could have a completely different value from one point to the next.

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[Guest]

Look, I didn't say I don't feel sorry for the guy.

Do you keep anything precious at home, preferrably in the range of £10K?

Can I come round your place?

And if there's any expert around - can you insure money you keep at home?

You are totally missing my point, which is people should be able to keep what they want in their own homes. My rant is at those who would rather take from those that have earned their possessions, rather than getting off their arses and earning their own.

No I don't think you can. From an insurance companies point of view, it would be too risky. If the money went missing then who's to say the client wouldn't over exaggerate how much had been stolen etc. Because cash is such a liquid asset compared with property/cars etc its difficult to insure as it could be easily change. The net present value would change I believe, for example if we wen't into a period of hyper inflation then the money could have a completely different value from one point to the next.

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I think that's about right.

[MC Prussian]

You are totally missing my point, which is people should be able to keep what they want in their own homes. My rant is at those who would rather take from those that have earned their possessions, rather than getting off their arses and earning their own.

I'm not arguing with the fact that criminals are scum. I've experienced the consequences of a burglary myself and it was an unpleasant happening - however, it would never occur to me to keep money at home.

Of course you can keep whichever stuff at home that you want - but if it's (a lot of) money or pricey possessions left uninsured, then that's not very clever, is it?

[Hullfox]

I can blame them. How many people do you know who have had money lost at a bank, or that the bank has gone bust? If it wasn't for the media coverage on the Northern Rock issue for example, which made people withdraw from them - then they would still be in a decent position.

Now Northern Rock is under public ownsership it's about the safest place to invest you're money. You must be out you're mind to stash 10 grand in a cupboard like he did.

But taking that all into account, I do feel sorry for the bloke, and I hope they catch the scally that did it.

Good for you Tommy, you blame away.

[Guest]

I'm not arguing with the fact that criminals are scum. I've experienced a burglary myself and it was an unpleasant experience - however, it would never occur to me to keep money at home.

Of course you can keep whichever stuff at home that you want - but if it's money or possessions left uninsured, then that's not very clever, is it?

No, it isn't very clever, and it's sad that you have to have insurance etc. This guy would have been brought up during a time when people could go out and leave their doors unlocked etc. It must be very sad for them to think back to those days.

For the record, I have been on the wrong end of an opportunist. My handbag was out of my sight for barely 5 minutes, and the scumbag cleared out every penny of cash I was carrying. And yes, I do blame myself. Still doesn't stop me imagining the cow chocking to death on the back of her ill gotten gain. No matter how stupid or careless I was, it is still not right.

[Tommy G]

Good for you Tommy, you blame away.

But looking at my argument I've got a pretty good case. Doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for the old guy. At the end of the day, it boils down to the fact he has stashed cash away and unfortunately it got nicked. this could have been prevented if he had put it into the Bank.

Old people do have the habit of ''sticking it under the matress'' so perhaps this story will warn others of the danger. Perhaps then some people will look beyond the disalutional attitude that keeping money in your own hom is safer than a Bank!

Unfortunately, the times we live in now toe rags will do things like this, it's unfortunate.

[davieG]

The point some of you seem to be missing and this is exacerbated by our media only reporting extreme situations - the psychological impact would be the same whether it was £10 or £10,000, the value is in some respects irrelevant the invasion of anyone's home, they don't even need to have taken anything can have a very traumatic effect on anyone and if you happen to be a trusting older person could send you to an early grave.

Unfortunately we now seem to be a society that is more offended by crimes involving money and property, well at least as far as detection and punishment is concerned than we are on crimes directly affecting people.

[Hullfox]

But looking at my argument I've got a pretty good case. Doesn't mean I don't feel sorry for the old guy. At the end of the day, it boils down to the fact he has stashed cash away and unfortunately it got nicked. this could have been prevented if he had put it into the Bank.

Old people do have the habit of ''sticking it under the matress'' so perhaps this story will warn others of the danger. Perhaps then some people will look beyond the disalutional attitude that keeping money in your own hom is safer than a Bank!

Unfortunately, the times we live in now toe rags will do things like this, it's unfortunate.

You obviously think that you have.

Seems to me that some of the people with a little more experience of life are looking beyond the "he's to blame for having it in the house" argument.

As davie says, the effect on the bloke would be no worse if it was just a tenner. the psychological effect would be just as devastating but in your book he'd still be to blame for having a tenner in the house.

[AoWW]

You obviously think that you have.

Seems to me that some of the people with a little more experience of life are looking beyond the "he's to blame for having it in the house" argument.

As davie says, the effect on the bloke would be no worse if it was just a tenner. the psychological effect would be just as devastating but in your book he'd still be to blame for having a tenner in the house.

I've got a tenner in my house. I'm such a risk taker.

[Guest]

I've got a tenner in my house. I'm such a risk taker.

And it'll be your own bloody fault if it gets nicked (according to some) for living on the edge!!

[syston_fox]

I've got a tenner in my house. I'm such a risk taker.

And it'll be your own bloody fault if it gets nicked (according to some) for living on the edge!!

I might just go and live in a bank!! Only place I can be safe then!

[Hullfox]

I've got a tenner in my house. I'm such a risk taker.

I'm from the Water Board and I'm on the way round to look at your pipes young lady.

[Fez of Mahrez]

I'm from the Water Board and I'm on the way round to look at your pipes young lady.

That's just freaky. I'm turning this DVD off now.

[DB11]

Trigger said I was wrong to congratulate you the other day. He may well have been right.

You congratulated me? When? Where? Why? Cool

Unbelievable!!! Whether it was £10 or £10,000, you can't put any blame on the man who got robbed. If they'd stolen valuable war medals then would it have been his fault for fighting for his country?? Or if they'd stolen a large expensive TV then would it have been his fault because he should read more??

Just think about what you're saying before you type for once.

See quoting me who says one thing instead of someone else who has made multiple posts

[MC Prussian]

I'm from the Water Board and I'm on the way round to look at your pipes young lady.

For a tenner - you must be desperate getting the hose out!

Deliberately deleted offensive joke.

[Webbo]

With all due respect to the elderly, what the **** is a 74-year old doing with 10 grand at home?

Something similar to this happened to my grandma about 10/15 years ago. The burglar didn't get away with much but when my uncle went round to see her she showed him £6k in a carrier under the sink that the burglar had missed.

The reason it goes on is often to hide the money from the social services so that they still qualify for benefits, but I think the main reason is that they don't get round to putting it in the bank, it builds up from £5/£10 a week just stuck away somewhere.

They often don't realise how much is in there, my grandma certainly didn't.

[Bellend Sebastian]

I think it's also because in a lot of cases the older you get, you lose more and more of your ability to make sensible decisions. My Gran doesn't keep any cash in the house, but if someone turned up and said they were from the water board, I wouldn't be that confident that she wouldn't let them in without asking for ID or anything.

A friend of mine's elderly mother inexplicably called a plumber out of the yellow pages to fix a shower head (when my friend could have got one from B&Q for a tenner for her), and he ended up replacing her water tank (which didn't need replacing) and leaving her without any running water, having taken £4500 cash off her before disappearing off the face of the earth. Heartbreaking for all concerned (apart from the bloke that did the runner), particularly so as my friend reckons that ten years ago their mum wouldn't have done anything half as daft as that in a million years