LCFC - a poor shambles, underperforming in every department

[Lillehamring]

sometimes i cannot fathom city fans.

we are playing in a league that is a total unknown quantity, a game in hand off second place, a defence that has hardly conceeded, a midfield creating chances and scoring goals, and forwards finding the back of the net. we now win games in the last minutes rather than lose.

we have a manager who is not an embarrassment and a chairman who has vanished into the woodwork.

the spirit amongst the team is better than it has been for years.

yesterday, we beat a team who put us under a lot of pressure at their home ground, we won 3-1, including goals from forwrds and midfielders, who are not even the finished article.

and yet, reading through the match thread, and indeed much of the posting for the last few weeks and reaction to the last few games, i have read so much negativity - drop this player, drop that player, we need new defenders, midfielders, forwards, goalies...

it makes me sick to the stomach, and it's so prolific it's hard to even just skip past it.

christ, there a only a few posters on here that actually seem to be happy with the team at the moment, everyone else is just looking for the next thing, the next off day to complain about.

who really expects their team to dominate a game for 90mins, i really enjoyed the liverpool vs marseille game this week and both sides had good spells, both sides looked shaky at times, but it was a cracking game, and liverpool deserved to win it.

so, why the tiresome endless complaints, and the unfathomably high expetataions?

[Simi]

What has Liverpool got to do with it?

If you were at the match yesterday and paid money to go and see it, you would perhaps realise that for the majority of the game we were second to the ball and really didn't look bothered about.

We finally woke up when Adams came on and got an undeserved win which is very encouraging.

Personally, I couldn't come away from that game yesterday with a beaming smile and with an attitude that everything was magic. It wasn't, but we got the win and that's what counts.

[Webbo]

so, why the tiresome endless complaints, and the unfathomably high expetataions?

This is the internet, what do you expect?

[Tilley]

Yesterday we didn't deserve to win.

What do you want everyone who attended to put?

Oh fantastic, ten's all round?

It wasn't, it was hard fought but underserved, Leyton Orient should feel very hard done by.

It's encouraging to see we can win without playing at our best, because if/when we go into a game full steam ahead and play the best we can we will win games very comfortably.

I would like to see a solid, comfortable performance and win next Saturday, though.

[Daggers]

I'm not sure why the high expectations are unrealistic? We, in the words of any fan in this league, are one of the two most likely to gain automatic promotion. They say it, we say it, Pearson has stated it being the only goal and it is the only thing Mandaric will accept - so why is the demand for Promotion-quality perfromances an unrealistic expectation?

I expect nothing less.

[Thracian]

I'm not sure why the high expectations are unrealistic? We, in the words of any fan in this league, are one of the two most likely to gain automatic promotion. They say it, we say it, Pearson has stated it being the only goal and it is the only thing Mandaric will accept - so why is the demand for Promotion-quality perfromances an unrealistic expectation?

I expect nothing less.

Three-one away for the rest of the season should suit fine then.

[Daggers]

Three-one away for the rest of the season should suit fine then.

Conceeding a goal a game?

Intollerable!

[samuel]

it makes me sick to the stomach, and it's so prolific it's hard to even just skip past it.

A bit OTT.

What a nonsensical, attention seeking post that was

[Bert]

Conceeding a goal a game?

Intollerable!

Yeah but it's ok, because Porter scored 2 both assisted by king, and for Kings goal, he was set-up by Porter.

[FilboFox]

Good post. Have to admit that I have at times been slightly critical but never to a large scale level like many on here... it is, as you say, ridiculous that they can't just be happy that we are winning for once with a good team and management!

[Zingari]

being a leicester supporter at the moment is akin to being a liberal in politics ; always claiming improvement but still third rate and out of the picture

yes , every small improvement is welcome, and we do seem on the up, but we know we are a long way away from where the real action is ,

[Corky]

We probably didn't deserve to win yesterday, but there has been plenty of matches in the recent past where we've dominated and should have won but didn't. I will take the three points.

It is not perfect at the moment but it's a bloody sight more enjoyable than the past half-a-decade.

[The Stig]

Good post. Have to admit that I have at times been slightly critical but never to a large scale level like many on here... it is, as you say, ridiculous that they can't just be happy that we are winning for once with a good team and management!

So what you're saying is that even though it wasn't a great preformance and we didn't deserve to win, we should just praise everyone anyway simply because things are going well this season. Sorry I don't agree with that. If there's room for improvement the fans have evry right to point it out as I'm sure Pearson will be doing.

[Lovejoy]

As far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong) but no one has actually said they're unhappy with winning yesterday. What people said is that Orient were the better side on the day and in fairness, didn't deserve to lose. This is a fair assessment of the game, but at the same time, we are delighted to get the points.

[Maybes]

As far as I'm aware (correct me if I'm wrong) but no one has actually said they're unhappy with winning yesterday. What people said is that Orient were the better side on the day and in fairness, didn't deserve to lose. This is a fair assessment of the game, but at the same time, we are delighted to get the points.

Yep. The Orient manager wasn't happy and I could see why. We stole the 3 points.

Isnt the famous saying ' Good teams will win even when they are playing poorly '

[foxaholic]

What has Liverpool got to do with it?

If you were at the match yesterday and paid money to go and see it, you would perhaps realise that for the majority of the game we were second to the ball and really didn't look bothered about.

We finally woke up when Adams came on and got an undeserved win which is very encouraging.

Personally, I couldn't come away from that game yesterday with a beaming smile and with an attitude that everything was magic. It wasn't, but we got the win and that's what counts.

I was at the game yesterday and it was a good aadvert for the division . How it can be undeserved when we score three and hit the bar twice is beyond me , They looked good but so did we in patches and it could have been all over in the first 15 minutes . Most of the vast following enjoyed it and if we are so bad why go .

[The Stig]

Yep. The Orient manager wasn't happy and I could see why. We stole the 3 points.

Isnt the famous saying ' Good teams will win even when they are playing poorly '

In the past we couldn't get three points when we were playing well. Now we're picking them up when we're not playing great, because the quality is there. There's truth in that saying.

[Simi]

I was at the game yesterday and it was a good aadvert for the division . How it can be undeserved when we score three and hit the bar twice is beyond me , They looked good but so did we in patches and it could have been all over in the first 15 minutes . Most of the vast following enjoyed it and if we are so bad why go .

The game as a whole, in my opinion we were second best. We dominated early on and we probably should have had rapped the game up in the first 20 minutes.

I enjoyed it, don't get me wrong. I always do, don't know where you've got that from.

[Tevez]

Yeah Yeah we won 3-1. No wonder we're getting messages from Leeds fans saying we've won the title. They think we've won comfortably, maybe they should look at the times when we scored.

[Lovejoy]

I was at the game yesterday and it was a good aadvert for the division . How it can be undeserved when we score three and hit the bar twice is beyond me , They looked good but so did we in patches and it could have been all over in the first 15 minutes . Most of the vast following enjoyed it and if we are so bad why go .

Supporting your football team is not about whether they're good or bad . In my case if I wanted to watch a "good" team, it would be much easier for me to go and watch Arsenal or Chelsea every week.

[Lillehamring]

some of those responses made me laugh - i'm not suggesting praise where it isn't due just focusing on some of the more positive elements.

this isn't just about yesterday, there are dozens of negative, kneejerk threads on here, even dyer (who is having a great season) got a 'drop dyer' thread, after he had 1 bad game.

no doubt we were poor, or rather out played by the O's for portions of the game, but we won, i just can't get why rather than celebrating doing something that usually happens to us, people just moan that certain players didn't do their job...

...which is the relevance of the 'comparison' with liverpool, ie, they were not always the best team but when they were good, they made the most of it and that is what we have done this weekend, the point being that no football fan should seriously expect every player to play great every week, and for every minute of each game...

funnily enough, many of the responses to my post (which was not done to draw attention but to spark debate, that's why i come here, for the debate) mirrored the responses to the game: ie looking to find fault with things i said rather than considering the positive (and fair) point i am making, that regrdless of performance, i am finding us an enjoyable team to support again.

if people want to moan about the demirits of oakley king and gradel, then so be it, personally, i find it all a waste of energy, why stress that they are not the finished article, when the reality is we have the best midfield that we have had in years... whatever they are doing, they are getting it right often enough to form the core of a winning team.

all of us are still getting used to the standard of football at this level, maybe they could do better but, given our league position, it is clear the team are getting it right more often than they are getting it wrong

[DB11]

Yes but we still have David Martin in goal

[Simi]

some of those responses made me laugh - i'm not suggesting praise where it isn't due just focusing on some of the more positive elements.

this isn't just about yesterday, there are dozens of negative, kneejerk threads on here, even dyer (who is having a great season) got a 'drop dyer' thread, after he had 1 bad game.

no doubt we were poor, or rather out played by the O's for portions of the game, but we won, i just can't get why rather than celebrating doing something that usually happens to us, people just moan that certain players didn't do their job...

...which is the relevance of the 'comparison' with liverpool, ie, they were not always the best team but when they were good, they made the most of it and that is what we have done this weekend, the point being that no football fan should seriously expect every player to play great every week, and for every minute of each game...

funnily enough, many of the responses to my post (which was not done to draw attention but to spark debate, that's why i come here, for the debate) mirrored the responses to the game: ie looking to find fault with things i said rather than considering the positive (and fair) point i am making, that regrdless of performance, i am finding us an enjoyable team to support again.

if people want to moan about the demirits of oakley king and gradel, then so be it, personally, i find it all a waste of energy, why stress that they are not the finished article, when the reality is we have the best midfield that we have had in years... whatever they are doing, they are getting it right often enough to form the core of a winning team.

all of us are still getting used to the standard of football at this level, maybe they could do better but, given our league position, it is clear the team are getting it right more often than they are getting it wrong

Do you think Pearson said yesterday, "well done lads, 3-1 away from home - excellent". I doubt it, by the sounds of his post match interview he shares the views of quite a lot of posters on this forum. As you say, the forum is for debate. Just because we are winning and doing well, it doesn't mean we can't improve further and if changing players such as Oakley or Gradel is going to do that, then let's talk, or moan, about it.

I still think the Liverpool comparison is a weak one. I'm sure if we'd won several Champions League's we'd be a little more forgiving when something went wrong. For me now, it's two games on the trot where we have been below par and that cannot go unnoticed, if that means changing things then sobeit.

The forum wouldn't be as active as it is if it was full of threads saying "Jolly good game today". Perhaps there is a touch to much negativity on the forum at times, but I don't find it that annoying to be honest as long as it's constructive.

[Lillehamring]

Do you think Pearson said yesterday, "well done lads, 3-1 away from home - excellent". I doubt it, by the sounds of his post match interview he shares the views of quite a lot of posters on this forum. As you say, the forum is for debate. Just because we are winning and doing well, it doesn't mean we can't improve further and if changing players such as Oakley or Gradel is going to do that, then let's talk, or moan, about it.

I still think the Liverpool comparison is a weak one. I'm sure if we'd won several Champions League's we'd be a little more forgiving when something went wrong. For me now, it's two games on the trot where we have been below par and that cannot go unnoticed, if that means changing things then sobeit.

The forum wouldn't be as active as it is if it was full of threads saying "Jolly good game today". Perhaps there is a touch to much negativity on the forum at times, but I don't find it that annoying to be honest as long as it's constructive.

as far as i know, pearson doesn't post on here - so what he says to the team is totally different to what someone who 'supports' the team says.

of course there is room for complaint and moaning on here, i welcome it (to a degree), the point of this thread is to try to establish why as a fan of a team who have had nothing to cheer about for years, would anyone waste their energy picking fault with a team that is now succeeding, and the nature of the complaint is often that they a particular player isn't great for the entire 90 minutes of a game.

i mean, there were more people calling for king to be dropped than there were people commending his good finish, or that we finally have a midfielder who gets in the box.

as far as the liverpool example is concerned, the level of football is immaterial, it just happened to be a great game, where both teams had patches of quality.

all i'm trying to establish is why must the glass always be half empty...

let's enjoy winning and being in the playoff positions after years of dire football and relegation battles, who gives a fck, if we start losing, then let's look to replace players.

[Zingari]

as far as i know, pearson doesn't post on here - so what he says to the team is totally different to what someone who 'supports' the team says.

of course there is room for complaint and moaning on here, i welcome it (to a degree), the point of this thread is to try to establish why as a fan of a team who have had nothing to cheer about for years, would anyone waste their energy picking fault with a team that is now succeeding, and the nature of the complaint is often that they a particular player isn't great for the entire 90 minutes of a game.

i mean, there were more people calling for king to be dropped than there were people commending his good finish, or that we finally have a midfielder who gets in the box.

as far as the liverpool example is concerned, the level of football is immaterial, it just happened to be a great game, where both teams had patches of quality.

all i'm trying to establish is why must the glass always be half empty...

let's enjoy winning and being in the playoff positions after years of dire football and relegation battles, who gives a fck, if we start losing, then let's look to replace players.

stop fookin moanin about other people moaning