Daggers Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 It's a stupid opinion though. If I suggested that Barack Obama and the Queen should be put in an elevator and force to copulate, would everyone respond with well detailed arguments with reasons and everything as to why they don't agree? Or just in easier terms, tell me to do one. Nussul isn't wrong here. It's as mad as suggesting men should have it away with monkeys.
marbelladave Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 We are predictable and have been sussed out which is worrying, we don't seem to have a plan B or C.Some of the football has been woefull. When you look a the squad of available players we are under acheiving, look at the sides around us. Totally agree with the above, though your dismissal of NP as 'best of a bad bunch' is over the top. I disagree. I was at the game and IMO opinion we totally dominated, were probably robbed of a penalty again, and 2 pieces of shite defending cost us 3 points. Simple as that really. I think many people on here look far too deeply into things as if they're football experts, which clearly they are not if they beleive another manager sacking is in order. Total domination, 2 goals up then we sit back and give the opposition a point, again! If you can not see there is something fundamentally wrong with our attitude and the way we play, then I despair. Much like Chelsea, and I don't see any Chelsea fans calling for Scolari's head do you? Chelsea are playing well and the top of the EPL is far more competitive than Division 3, get a grip FFS.
Daggers Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 Putting aside all of the 'it's a tough league to get out of' and the 'you can't win every game' bollox, the reality is that we are the 'big club' in this league, financially stable, large fan base, powerful squad etc, etc. Had we taken the 6 points already won at Swindon and Brighton, had we turned a couple of recent 0-0's against poor opposition into wins we would be out of sight at the top of this league. "If it had gone in the net it'd have been a goal" We are a Div III side playing in Div III on the back of seasons' of misery and ineptitude. Pearson didn't come in as a replacement driver, quickly knocking the club into reverse or pulling a nifty textbook three-point turn - Pearson came in to stop the Leicester City oil tanker colliding with disaster. Oil tankers take time to change direction, attitudes used to not winning take time to change. Like it or lump it (and I don't like it in the main) we are a work in progress, we are not the finished article. Expectations for us to be out of sight at the top of the league, to be romping it over over teams in the Pisspot Cup, to be slamming six past non-descript Northern town sides are totally unrealistic. Being a big club in a league doesn't automatically gift the side with the power to achieve - look at Man City, Newcastle, the galacticos Madrid. Back when memories were still fresh in those who saw the exploits of last season, people predicted mid-table to an offchance of play-offs. We are over-achieving against those expectations. I am as guilty as most of often forgetting that. I truly believe that eventually it will click...and when it does it will be an amazing match to have witnessed.
Corky Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 Whilst I don't agree with Pearson out, some of the reaction to this post is damn right out of order. Whether or not it's a piss take, this poster has the right to his opinion and if he thinks that Pearson should be out does not give any of you the right to chastise the post the way you have, instead of calling someone a dick or a tosser, state your reason like the original poster did for wanting Pearson out. Your like a f00king bunch of women, once one starts you all start. I'd liken it to bully boy tactics in a play ground. To call someone a 'C[_]NT.' (to name but a few choice words) for having an opinion is damn right childish and out of order. Well he called Pearson a "buffoon", so he started it Anyway, I will state my reasons. We have played 16 matches in the league and picked up 32 points, that's 2-per-game on average. Yes, we probably should have 34 after yesterday, but in other games we've come back (Bristol Rovers) so that evens it out a bit. We are playing better, more positive football and attacking away from home. Also, sacking a manager when in second place is just ridiculous. Compensation, and a possible claim for unfair dismissal would hamper the club. Actually, why am I even stating these reasons, it's plain stupidity to even consider sacking a manager again. Haven't we learnt from last season?
Rocky Dennis Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 Totally agree with the above, though your dismissal of NP as 'best of a bad bunch' is over the top.Total domination, 2 goals up then we sit back and give the opposition a point, again! If you can not see there is something fundamentally wrong with our attitude and the way we play, then I despair. Chelsea are playing well and the top of the EPL is far more competitive than Division 3, get a grip FFS. I despaired too yesterday pal, but only at some poor defending in an otherwise totally dominant performance (and the result of course), i do not think there is anything fundamentally wrong, Swindon came at us and fair play to them they unsettled our defense and got their goals,these things happen in football, you dont always get the results you deserve Remember the Bristol Rovers game, did we deserve 3 points? I think not.. Its easier for many people just to focus on the negatives I think, the fact that a thread exists on here about the 'sacking' of Pearson is a sad indictment of City fans, and quite embarrasing for the person that started it really. I suspect he wasnt at the game and if he was then its even more embarrasing.
Lovejoy Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 Leicester fans have got too used to managers being sacked . Give the bloke a chance.
carterfox90 Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 some deserve some dont who would be a chairman with that decision when to sack but pearson is nowhere needing to be sacked yet give him until xmas :giggle:
SussexFox Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 To be fair i agree it is worrying that we are not closing these games out i really have a horrible feeling this could cost us at the end of the season. Pearson still has my confidence i like him and his attitude. However he needs to iron out these creases sooner rather than later. Leicester have the best squad, and resources like an earlier poster stated I certainly would not swap our squad for any other in the league and i am dissapointed we're only 2nd we should be top with the team we have.
EnigmaticFox Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 i agree.He has done an awful job so far. Steve Walsh and Gregory are the way to go now. Yes, we are all disappointed again yes. BUT coming out with this sort of nonsense defies belief! I can't believe you are serious! If we follow your logic, and get rid of a manager after a couple of hard to swallow results, we end up with no one in permanent change, the players won't know where to turn and will thus produce worse and worse displays. And the the supporters will lose faith rapidly. Didn't we all have more than enough of that over the past couple of seasons??? You cannot contemplate sacking a manager after a couple of difficult matches. If wasn't even that we lost yesterday! What do we expect? Do you really expect city to win every match in this division by 4 or 5 goals to nil! We are a League 3 outfit; the players are who they are. We don't possess a team of world beaters. Just because we have a wonderful stadium and an amazing following, doesn't mean we have a god given right to win every match. We will slip up, of course we will, the players are human. Pearson, has so far done an excellent job, in turning this team around. Ok, you are a paying supporter, and despite what the likes of manderic say, you are entitled to voice your opinion, when things are not progressing as well as you would like them to do. But, for goodness sake man, use your mind. How many managers would you like us to go through??? No one is going to win every game, Remember Ferguson, in his early career.
Lovejoy Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 Yes, we are all disappointed again yes. BUT coming out with this sort of nonsense defies belief! I can't believe you are serious!If we follow your logic, and get rid of a manager after a couple of hard to swallow results, we end up with no one in permanent change, the players won't know where to turn and will thus produce worse and worse displays. And the the supporters will lose faith rapidly. Didn't we all have more than enough of that over the past couple of seasons??? You cannot contemplate sacking a manager after a couple of difficult matches. If wasn't even that we lost yesterday! What do we expect? Do you really expect city to win every match in this division by 4 or 5 goals to nil! We are a League 3 outfit; the players are who they are. We don't possess a team of world beaters. Just because we have a wonderful stadium and an amazing following, doesn't mean we have a god given right to win every match. We will slip up, of course we will, the players are human. Pearson, has so far done an excellent job, in turning this team around. Ok, you are a paying supporter, and despite what the likes of manderic say, you are entitled to voice your opinion, when things are not progressing as well as you would like them to do. But, for goodness sake man, use your mind. How many managers would you like us to go through??? No one is going to win every game, Remember Ferguson, in his early career. That is exactly what an alarming number of our supporters seem to genuinely think . I find this emoticon fitting as it called "crylaugh", of which I'm torn between .
EnigmaticFox Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 If I were Peason, and I came across this thread, I would seriously wonder, why C had bothered to come to this club in the first place. And, I'd also wonder, just what the hell, I had to do, to make some, so called supporters of this team happy? Every team in the land has a bunch of people hanging onto them, who call themselves supporters, but in reality, they are nothing of the sort. They only drag the whole team down, by not being able to do what they are meant to do SUPPORT. Of course, we are entitled to say what we want to, and we are all frustrated with some of the events recently, BUT, there is a world of a difference between constructive criticism and downright tabloidesque nonsense. I just hope Pearson, doesn’t read this sort of idiotic stuff. We never used to scream Gillis, O’Farrell or Wallace out, if we didn’t win every game. I just hope Pearson doesn’t read any of this. We almost lost one of our greatest managers ever, once (who won 2 league cups for us), through similar talk. Do we never learn?
Rocky Dennis Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 If I were Peason, and I came across this thread, I would seriously wonder, why C had bothered to come to this club in the first place. And, I'd also wonder, just what the hell, I had to do, to make some, so called supporters of this team happy?Every team in the land has a bunch of people hanging onto them, who call themselves supporters, but in reality, they are nothing of the sort. They only drag the whole team down, by not being able to do what they are meant to do SUPPORT. Of course, we are entitled to say what we want to, and we are all frustrated with some of the events recently, BUT, there is a world of a difference between constructive criticism and downright tabloidesque nonsense. I just hope Pearson, doesn’t read this sort of idiotic stuff. We never used to scream Gillis, O’Farrell or Wallace out, if we didn’t win every game. I just hope Pearson doesn’t read any of this. We almost lost one of our greatest managers ever, once (who won 2 league cups for us), through similar talk. Do we never learn? Many sensible words there. You'll probably be slagged off for it by one of the wittier members on here tho!!!
Thracian Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 If I were Peason, and I came across this thread, I would seriously wonder, why C had bothered to come to this club in the first place. And, I'd also wonder, just what the hell, I had to do, to make some, so called supporters of this team happy?Every team in the land has a bunch of people hanging onto them, who call themselves supporters, but in reality, they are nothing of the sort. They only drag the whole team down, by not being able to do what they are meant to do SUPPORT. Of course, we are entitled to say what we want to, and we are all frustrated with some of the events recently, BUT, there is a world of a difference between constructive criticism and downright tabloidesque nonsense. I just hope Pearson, doesn’t read this sort of idiotic stuff. We never used to scream Gillis, O’Farrell or Wallace out, if we didn’t win every game. I just hope Pearson doesn’t read any of this. We almost lost one of our greatest managers ever, once (who won 2 league cups for us), through similar talk. Do we never learn? Managers will move whatever if they get an attractive offer that further's their ambitions so don't try to suggest they'll somehow be loyal if the fans are loyal because it doesn't work like that as Mark McGhee, for example, demonstrated. You're right that no-one with their marbles intact would want a change of manager here but that doesn't mean we should just sit and smile when the same mistakes are repeated. With our managerial record I still cannot believe that some fans still seem to regard our managers as so expert that they are incapable of making bad decisions and choices. Or that they choose to support what they do regardless. Nor can I believe how many fans fail to understand the likely cost to us of dropping unnecessary points because of our failure to keep closing people down quickly right to the end of games. We are the "big club". Almost every opponent emphasises it. We're expected to go up. Othere clubs are wary of us. But if we keep dropping silly points - and between five and seven such points is a lot before the end of November - then chances are we won't create the gap between ourselves and third place that we need to save ourslves being sucked into a nervewracking finale. Because that's the last thing we need. Come the run in, the top teams will feel elated that we've not run away from them and will have all the evidence from videos to make our lives difficult and to play on the pressure we'll be feeling. There will also be bottom end teams who will scrap for their survival and we've shown already that we're often unable to put the Northamptons, Swindons and Walsalls away. It will all become Russian Roulette with the table weighted in the opposition's favour because, with all our resources and opportunities we will already have squandered chances and we'll know it. Last season I said we wouldn't score enough goals from enough positions, that it was madness to get rid of our best free kick taker and that we should use Gradel and King and that we were mugs to throw away two points against Charlton at home by trying to play out time in the corner. And those collective mistakes cost us and we were relegated. This seson we have an infinitely better team and manager. So many of our problems have been solved. We're scoring goals from various places and are clearly capable of achieving our ends. But we're mentally soft and we continue to make the mistake of conceding ground to run down time when we think the job's done at 2-0. We can't keep on doing it if we want to go up. The manager's philosophy when we get 2-0 up should be simple. Keep pressing and score another. It works a lot more surely than the other way.
Zingari Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 is he still here ? has he not left the ground with his head hung in shame ? has he not fell on his sword or something ? there's no integrity left in the sport
Corky Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 is he still here ? has he not left the ground with his head hung in shame ? has he not fell on his sword or something ? there's no integrity left in the sport Unfortunately he is still here. Surely Mandaric is bored with this manager?
Trav Le Bleu Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 Whenever I read about city fans complaining about Pearson and how City should be top, not 2nd, I remember something. It's called... Leeds Utd. Don't think I need to say more.
Rocky Dennis Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 Managers will move whatever if they get an attractive offer that further's their ambitions so don't try to suggest theyll somehow be loyal if the fans are loyal because it doesn't work like that as Mark McGhee, for example, demonstrated. You're right that no-one with their marbles intact would want a change of manager here but that doesn't mean we should just sit nd smile when the same mistakes are repeated. With our managerial record I still cannot believe that some fans still seem to regard our managers as so expert that they are incapable of making bad decisions and choices. Or that they choose to support what they do regardless. Nor can I believe how many fans fail to understand the likely cost to us of dropping unnecessary points because of our failure to keep closing people down quickly right to the end of games. We are the "big club". Almost every opponent emphasises it. We're expected to go up. Othere clubs are wary of us. But if we keep dropping silly points - and between five and seven such points is a lot before the end of November - then chances are we won't create the gap between ourselves and third place that we need to save ourslves being sucked into a nervewracking finale. Because that's the last thing we need. Come the run in, the top teams will feel elated that we've not run away from them and will have all the evidence from videos to make our lives difficult and to play on the pressure we'll be feeling. There will also be bottom end teams who will scrap and scrap for their survival and we've shown already that we're often unable to put the Northamptons, Swindons and Walsalls away. It will all become Russian Roulette with the table weighted in the opposition's favour because, with all our resources and opportunities we will already have squandered chances and we'll know it. Last season I said we wouldn't score enough goals from enough positions, that it was madness to get rid of our best free kick taker and that we should use Gradel and King and that we were mugs to throw away two points against Charlton at home by trying to play out time in the corner. And those collective mistakes cost us and we were relegated. This seson we have an infinitely better team and manager. So many of our problems have been solved. We're scoring goals from various places and are clearly capable of achieving our ends. But we're mentally soft and we continue to make the mistake of conceding ground to run down time when we think the job's done at 2-0. We can't keep on doing it if we want to go up. The manager's philosophy when we get 2-0 up should be simple. Keep pressing and score another. It works a lot more surely than the other way. We did keep pressing and very nearly got the third goal. If the referee had given us the penalty for the foul on Howard the game would probably be over at 3-0 and presumably all this unjust criticism of Pearson would'nt be going on?
Corky Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 Whenever I read about city fans complaining about Pearson and how City should be top, not 2nd, I remember something.It's called... Leeds Utd. Don't think I need to say more. Please, please, please elaborate.....
Rich_Sheffield Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 Can we please close this thread? It's just unnecesary, especially when its so ludicrous its hard to tell the sarcastic comments from real. agreed
foxaholic Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 Managers will move whatever if they get an attractive offer that further's their ambitions so don't try to suggest theyll somehow be loyal if the fans are loyal because it doesn't work like that as Mark McGhee, for example, demonstrated. You're right that no-one with their marbles intact would want a change of manager here but that doesn't mean we should just sit nd smile when the same mistakes are repeated. With our managerial record I still cannot believe that some fans still seem to regard our managers as so expert that they are incapable of making bad decisions and choices. Or that they choose to support what they do regardless. Nor can I believe how many fans fail to understand the likely cost to us of dropping unnecessary points because of our failure to keep closing people down quickly right to the end of games. We are the "big club". Almost every opponent emphasises it. We're expected to go up. Othere clubs are wary of us. But if we keep dropping silly points - and between five and seven such points is a lot before the end of November - then chances are we won't create the gap between ourselves and third place that we need to save ourslves being sucked into a nervewracking finale. Because that's the last thing we need. Come the run in, the top teams will feel elated that we've not run away from them and will have all the evidence from videos to make our lives difficult and to play on the pressure we'll be feeling. There will also be bottom end teams who will scrap and scrap for their survival and we've shown already that we're often unable to put the Northamptons, Swindons and Walsalls away. It will all become Russian Roulette with the table weighted in the opposition's favour because, with all our resources and opportunities we will already have squandered chances and we'll know it. Last season I said we wouldn't score enough goals from enough positions, that it was madness to get rid of our best free kick taker and that we should use Gradel and King and that we were mugs to throw away two points against Charlton at home by trying to play out time in the corner. And those collective mistakes cost us and we were relegated. This seson we have an infinitely better team and manager. So many of our problems have been solved. We're scoring goals from various places and are clearly capable of achieving our ends. But we're mentally soft and we continue to make the mistake of conceding ground to run down time when we think the job's done at 2-0. We can't keep on doing it if we want to go up. The manager's philosophy when we get 2-0 up should be simple. Keep pressing and score another. It works a lot more surely than the other way. Whilst I agree with most you say I am far from convinced that the side is any better than last year. S****horpe sold their best player kept the rest and manager and still doing as well as us . I dont think we would be doing any worse if we had done like S****horpe . Could you see this side winning 4-1 at West Brom or playing like we did at Chelsea . When Mick Adams came down he kept the same team got promoted highest gates for 50 years and only lost 5 games all season so it is not unrealistic for us only to lose 2 or 3 games all season
Thracian Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 We did keep pressing and very nearly got the third goal.If the referee had given us the penalty for the foul on Howard the game would probably be over at 3-0 and presumably all this unjust criticism of Pearson would'nt be going on? That's the impression I got for 80 minutes but not for the last 10. Several fans referred to us sitting back at the end and getting arrogant. Be nice to know the truth of it.
sdb Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 I keep seeing this topic and thinking it's a joke thread! I think we could be doing a little better personally in some ways (holding out in games and taking a greater percentage of chances are the obvious ones), but generally speaking we're doing pretty well. We're the team everyone wants to beat this year in L1.
Zingari Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 That's the impression I got for 80 minutes but not for the last 10. Several fans referred to us sitting back at the end and getting arrogant. Be nice to know the truth of it. i got the impression the game hinged on the inspired introduction of substitute barry corr
Corky Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 i got the impression the game hinged on the introduction of barry corr I really don't like his sisters <_<
Rocky Dennis Posted 16 November 2008 Posted 16 November 2008 That's the impression I got for 80 minutes but not for the last 10. Several fans referred to us sitting back at the end and getting arrogant. Be nice to know the truth of it. I dont thinks its simply a case of us sitting back and therefore dropping the points. Some credit must go to Swindon for having a go at us and pumping plenty of balls into the box, both goals were easily avoidable though and the points were dropped because of bad defending rather than us sitting back, I agree that sitting back is pointless but as I say I beleive a ref's non decision contributed to our downfall yesterday and at Brighton. Also, i dont understand how people can determine wether a football team is being arrogant? There certainly wasnt any showboating going on!
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