Kisnorbo and our form correlate

[Dan]

I don't know how many people think this might of been the problem, but our bad form was whenever Kisnorbo played. We played well in the first half at Oldham and had won 8 out of our first 10 games without Kisnorbo, half time Kisnorbo is brought on and we play diabolical football, get absolutely outdone by Oldham. After that we drew 1-1 with Walsall, 0-0 with Northampton, lost 3-2 to Brighton and lost 2-0 to Rotherham, but did beat Bristol Rovers and Stevenage. Kisnorbo gets injured again and what do you know we've won 4 of 5 games again. It was probably an arrogance of the rest of the team thinking they wouldn't have to work as hard with the so called two top defenders in League 1. This is just something I noticed I wonder what you lot think.

[JakeShingler]

I don't know how many people think this might of been the problem, but our bad form was whenever Kisnorbo played. We played well in the first half at Oldham and had won 8 out of our first 10 games without Kisnorbo, half time Kisnorbo is brought on and we play diabolical football, get absolutely outdone by Oldham. After that we drew 1-1 with Walsall, 0-0 with Northampton, lost 3-2 to Brighton and lost 2-0 to Rotherham, but did beat Bristol Rovers and Stevenage. Kisnorbo gets injured again and what do you know we've won 4 of 5 games again. It was probably an arrogance of the rest of the team thinking they wouldn't have to work as hard with the so called two top defenders in League 1. This is just something I noticed I wonder what you lot think.

I'ts not just down to one player like it isn't down to one player if your team allways wins.

[Thracian]

I don't know how many people think this might of been the problem, but our bad form was whenever Kisnorbo played. We played well in the first half at Oldham and had won 8 out of our first 10 games without Kisnorbo, half time Kisnorbo is brought on and we play diabolical football, get absolutely outdone by Oldham. After that we drew 1-1 with Walsall, 0-0 with Northampton, lost 3-2 to Brighton and lost 2-0 to Rotherham, but did beat Bristol Rovers and Stevenage. Kisnorbo gets injured again and what do you know we've won 4 of 5 games again. It was probably an arrogance of the rest of the team thinking they wouldn't have to work as hard with the so called two top defenders in League 1. This is just something I noticed I wonder what you lot think.

I think that's very unkind. The bloke is injured. It's like kicking him while he's down. I did say "kicking".

Otherwise you might have been arrested like those players in the shower-room incident.

[Alf Bentley]

Any player coming back from injury (temporarily!) will be a bit rusty.

He's a good stopper, fitness permitting.

Where you may have a point is that his distribution is a real weak point.

Too many long balls hoofed aimlessly to the opposition.

Unfair to attach too much blame to him, but I do remember the ball being hoofed to Oldham a lot in the second half of that match, allowing them to swarm all over City...

[Lovejoy]

Said for the last couple of years he's guff, think to most people he just looked good in a sh1te team. Now we have a better side, they can see he's not all that .

Sorry for being a smug twat

[dandannieldanok]

I'ts not just down to one player like it isn't down to one player if your team allways wins.

Agreed, he seemed to get vilified pretty quickly when our form stuttered but as you say football is a team game.

[Dan]

I don't know how many people think this might of been the problem, but our bad form was whenever Kisnorbo played. We played well in the first half at Oldham and had won 8 out of our first 10 games without Kisnorbo, half time Kisnorbo is brought on and we play diabolical football, get absolutely outdone by Oldham. After that we drew 1-1 with Walsall, 0-0 with Northampton, lost 3-2 to Brighton and lost 2-0 to Rotherham, but did beat Bristol Rovers and Stevenage. Kisnorbo gets injured again and what do you know we've won 4 of 5 games again. It was probably an arrogance of the rest of the team thinking they wouldn't have to work as hard with the so called two top defenders in League 1. This is just something I noticed I wonder what you lot think.

Not putting it all down to Kisnorbo, im just saying that the rest of the team may of seen him as a star player and didn't have to work as hard to win the games.

[Corky]

How is it his fault entirely? We still only lost one league match when he played, just as we have done when he hasn't.

[Hackneyisblue]

I don't know how many people think this might of been the problem, but our bad form was whenever Kisnorbo played. We played well in the first half at Oldham and had won 8 out of our first 10 games without Kisnorbo, half time Kisnorbo is brought on and we play diabolical football, get absolutely outdone by Oldham. After that we drew 1-1 with Walsall, 0-0 with Northampton, lost 3-2 to Brighton and lost 2-0 to Rotherham, but did beat Bristol Rovers and Stevenage. Kisnorbo gets injured again and what do you know we've won 4 of 5 games again. It was probably an arrogance of the rest of the team thinking they wouldn't have to work as hard with the so called two top defenders in League 1. This is just something I noticed I wonder what you lot think.

Agreed, that is why he was a shit midfielder, he can't pass to a team mate.

He's a good stopper but what is the point if you then pass it back to the opposition.

If I had to blame one player for last season, he'd be the one (very harsh I know).

[dandannieldanok]

If I had to blame one player for last season, he'd be the one (very harsh I know).

I'd say complete utter rubbish rather than very harsh. We had the 2nd best defence and 2nd worst strikeforce, I think you can see where the problems lay.

[Corky]

If I had to blame one player for last season, he'd be the one (very harsh I know).

That is harsh. He gave 100% every game and kept a very tight line at the back. He was nowhere near the worst player last season.

[JakeShingler]

I'd say complete utter rubbish rather than very harsh. We had the 2nd best defence and 2nd worst strikeforce, I think you can see where the problems lay.

Agreed.

[davieG]

Was Hobbs playing at right back in any of these games?

Also if his main problem is hoofing hasn't he been replaced by Morrison who's also vilified for hoofing?

Further research is needed before you can even suggest any direct link of form to Kisnorbo's presence.

[Tommeh]

I think the results speak for themselves, I'm not a massive fan of Morrison but let's face it when he's played we've usually won. It maybe a little harsh on Kis but the results certainly prove we're better off when he's not played. Although bringing Edworthy in has also made a big difference just as I said it would, when everyone else was moaning about a late 30's ex cov and sheep reject.

[davieG]

Just checked the teams and it would seem like I said that the inclusion of Hobbs at right back was a significant factor in those results

Walsal - Hobbs replaced Gilbert at RB when Kisnorbo came on in the 66th minute

Northampton, Brighton, Rotherham - Hobbs played 90 minutes at RB

Bristol Rovers - Hobbs was substituted on 75 minutes and we went on to win.

After Rotherham Hobbs was dropped and we went on to beat Stevenage with Edworthy at RB with Kisnorbo being replace by Morrison after 5.

So you could argue that this run of 'bad results' was because of Kisnorbo, Hobbs at RB or a combination of the two.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

Just checked the teams and it would seem like I said that the inclusion of Hobbs at right back was a significant factor in those results

Walsal - Hobbs replaced Gilbert at RB when Kisnorbo came on in the 66th minute

Northampton, Brighton, Rotherham - Hobbs played 90 minutes at RB

Bristol Rovers - Hobbs was substituted on 75 minutes and we went on to win.

After Rotherham Hobbs was dropped and we went on to beat Stevenage with Edworthy at RB with Kisnorbo being replace by Morrison after 5.

So you could argue that this run of 'bad results' was because of Kisnorbo, Hobbs at RB or a combination of the two.

Interesting that... you can draw some quite obvious conclusions

[Rich_Sheffield]

I don't know how many people think this might of been the problem, but our bad form was whenever Kisnorbo played. We played well in the first half at Oldham and had won 8 out of our first 10 games without Kisnorbo, half time Kisnorbo is brought on and we play diabolical football, get absolutely outdone by Oldham. After that we drew 1-1 with Walsall, 0-0 with Northampton, lost 3-2 to Brighton and lost 2-0 to Rotherham, but did beat Bristol Rovers and Stevenage. Kisnorbo gets injured again and what do you know we've won 4 of 5 games again. It was probably an arrogance of the rest of the team thinking they wouldn't have to work as hard with the so called two top defenders in League 1. This is just something I noticed I wonder what you lot think.

I agree. I was a big Kisnorbo Fan last season but this season I think the team plays better without him, Morrison and Tunchev are my first choice as centre backs.

We seem to change our style of play to fit him in. we knock the ball around much better and don't use route one when he is playing.

[iancognito]

I'd noticed the correlation but thought it was more a coincidence than a cause to be honest. We've not been as good without Gilbert could be said as well.

When we've lost/played badly it's been highlighted because the strikers haven't taken their chances. Had Fryatt put one or two of his chances away against Northampton, the whole team's performance looks better for it.

Blaming one person is easy but if the other ten were all on top form, we'd be much better off.

[Rich Fox]

I am shitting myself at the prospect of kisnorbo getting fit again he is like a bad smell around leicester city. If his partner is a Leicester fan i urge her or him to hold a pillar over his head for at least 20 minutes when hes fast asleep and hope for the best.

[Dan]

I think the results speak for themselves, I'm not a massive fan of Morrison but let's face it when he's played we've usually won. It maybe a little harsh on Kis but the results certainly prove we're better off when he's not played. Although bringing Edworthy in has also made a big difference just as I said it would, when everyone else was moaning about a late 30's ex cov and sheep reject.

exactly what I've said throughout the thread, I thank you.

[davieG]

exactly what I've said throughout the thread, I thank you.

In that case I'll repeat my post:

Just checked the teams and it would seem like I said that the inclusion of Hobbs at right back was a significant factor in those results

Walsal - Hobbs replaced Gilbert at RB when Kisnorbo came on in the 66th minute

Northampton, Brighton, Rotherham - Hobbs played 90 minutes at RB

Bristol Rovers - Hobbs was substituted on 75 minutes and we went on to win.

After Rotherham Hobbs was dropped and we went on to beat Stevenage with Edworthy at RB with Kisnorbo being replace by Morrison after 5.

So you could argue that this run of 'bad results' was because of Kisnorbo, Hobbs at RB or a combination of the two.

[Dan]

In that case I'll repeat my post:

that was worthwhile

[davieG]

that was worthwhile

Well if you read it properly it pretty much blows your theory out of the water.

[Koke]

Hobbs looked much better at CB, which is why I felt sorry for him when people were crucifying his poor showings at RB. Even when Kisnorbo comes back, Tunchev-Hobbs should be our first choice centre halves.