The Rooney Rule

[m4DD0gg]

To be fair paul ince is a shit manager.

[Soar Fox]

Because they applied probably.

So if Nigel Pearson was sacked tomorrow and John Barnes applied do you think it's fair that we have to give him an interview just because of his skin colour?

[Soar Fox]

Imagine Terry Connor getting an interview for the Barcelona just because he's black

[Danno]

So if Nigel Pearson was sacked tomorrow and John Barnes applied do you think it's fair that we have to give him an interview just because of his skin colour?

If he was the only ethnic minority that applied then yes. If more minorities get interviewed and get into these jobs then more will have the confidence to apply for these jobs. Hopefully this causes more to apply in the future, meaning that we have more and more quality minority coaches in the game as a result. It also removes an element of the bias some have over the intellectual capability of non-white people which prevents many from getting top jobs in wider society.

[Frank to be]

I think it's quite obvious that institutional racism still exists in football and that's why there are so few black managers. If it was up to me every club would have to have a representative sample of football staff.

[Vacamion]

I think it's quite obvious that institutional racism still exists in football and that's why there are so few black managers. If it was up to me every club would have to have a representative sample of football staff.

Really?

A few bad apples, maybe, but institutional?

What do you base this on?

[Jimothy]

Not sure how an industry happy to pay black people hundreds of thousands of pounds a week can be classed a institutionally racist.

Prove to me that lots of black peoples are applying and then I'll believe you that a large chunk of the league clubs are racist. If they aren't applying, how can the clubs employ them? And they aren't applying because they perceive the clubs to be racist before they've even experienced the rejection, that's not the clubs fault either that these people are assuming a prejudice before its even occurred.

[Soar Fox]

If he was the only ethnic minority that applied then yes. If more minorities get interviewed and get into these jobs then more will have the confidence to apply for these jobs. Hopefully this causes more to apply in the future, meaning that we have more and more quality minority coaches in the game as a result. It also removes an element of the bias some have over the intellectual capability of non-white people which prevents many from getting top jobs in wider society.

So let's just forget that they might not be good enough lets just interview them because of their skin colour.

Have you got any facts that black males don't get jobs as football managers because of their colour? Can you show me how many have applied and have been rejected by clubs?

[orangecity23]

[Danno]

So let's just forget that they might not be good enough lets just interview them because of their skin colour.

Have you got any facts that black males don't get jobs as football managers because of their colour? Can you show me how many have applied and have been rejected by clubs?

Yeah, it's not like people are rejected every day because of bias towards white people is it.

[Stadt]

there's 92 league clubs, hundreds of white managers, less than 10 black managers about.

Say Pelligrini is sacked, Klopp, Ancelotti and Unai Emery are on the shortlist with Chris Powell, anybody who thinks that is positive is deluding themselves, I'm pretty sure Chris Powell is going to get fed up of getting requests to do interviews for jobs he's not going to get just because the FA has implicated that there has to be a black manager involved.

The problem is that barely any black ex pros try to become managers.

[Danno]

there's 92 league clubs, hundreds of white managers, less than 10 black managers about.

Say Pelligrini is sacked, Klopp, Ancelotti and Unai Emery are on the shortlist with Chris Powell, anybody who thinks that is positive is deluding themselves, I'm pretty sure Chris Powell is going to get fed up of getting requests to do interviews for jobs he's not going to get just because the FA has implicated that there has to be a black manager involved.

The problem is that barely any black ex pros try to become managers.

Hahaha why would Chris Powell be requested to do an interview?

[Jimothy]

Hahaha why would Chris Powell be requested to do an interview?

Gotta interview a black guy, somebody's gotta do it. If hardly anybody is applying then Hasselbaink and Powell are going to be very busy doing interviews for jobs they'll either never get or don't want.

[Soar Fox]

What happens if for instance Paul Ince keeps going for interviews at top premiership clubs and he doesn't get the job. Will clubs then be accused of being racist?

[Stadt]

Hahaha why would Chris Powell be requested to do an interview?

Because he's a competent black (is it ethnic minority or black managers for the Rooney ?), who else are they going to give an interview to, it'll be Hasselbaink and Powell given interviews all the time in the short term.

[Danno]

Because he's a competent black (is it ethnic minority or black managers for the Rooney ?), who else are they going to give an interview to, it'll be Hasselbaink and Powell given interviews all the time in the short term.

They aren't going to interview you if you don't want the job.

[Stadt]

They aren't going to interview you if you don't want the job.

Yeah I realise that but it's going to be a bit of a joke if top clubs are having to interview a conference manager because he's the only ethnic minority manager that's accepted an interview.

The Rooney rule would work if there was an abundance of talented black managers out there but there isn't.

[The Horse's Mouth]

I think it should only apply for black managers who don't have any previous experience at senior level

[Danno]

Yeah I realise that but it's going to be a bit of a joke if top clubs are having to interview a conference manager because he's the only ethnic minority manager that's accepted an interview.

The Rooney rule would work if there was an abundance of talented black managers out there but there isn't.

How do you know there's not? Some don't bother because of the barriers that exist.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Yeah, the "all black managers are shit" argument is the worst

[Jimothy]

How do you know there's not? Some don't bother because of the barriers that exist.

What barriers? The ones they perceive to exist that they haven't yet faced because they haven't applied for a job and been rejected yet.

[Stadt]

How do you know there's not? Some don't bother because of the barriers that exist.

If there was an abundance of talented managers out you'd like to think that they wouldn't let these barriers harm a potentially successful career and wouldn't give up so easily.

Chris Powell and Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink have had no issues finding a job because they're capable managers, whereas Paul Ince is a bad manager hence it is difficult for him to get a job.

[Danno]

What barriers? The ones they perceive to exist that they haven't yet faced because they haven't applied for a job and been rejected yet.

Because of the bias people have against black peoples' percieved intellectual capability.

[Danno]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/14/why-so-few-black-football-managers

From half way ish

[Jimothy]

Because of the bias people have against black peoples' percieved intellectual capability.

If they want to prejudice against people because they think they'll be prejudiced against them without actually finding out first hand that that prejudice exist, that's their problem.