SOCCERROO FOX Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 If only Fryatt had scored that goal it would of been a cracker. I love Waghorn not the best game his played but you can just tell he is a super talent. I really hope we buy him at the end off the season.
Matt Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Only just got in. Very happy under the circumstances, Before the game I expected us to get hammered, When the game started and I noticed the referee was clearly on their side I expected us to get hammered, When Wellens got sent off I expected us to get hammered, but we didn't we played brilliant and should have won, despite the early shot and the last 20 minutes Newcastle were awful, I thought in the last 20 minutes we were going to lose it but we hung on, and deserved the draw. If however we had the 11 men and we played like we did and it ended 0-0 I wouldn't have been happy, I would have been pissed off we hadn't won it, now question - If we had the 11 men on the field would we have won? No-one knows, but my opinion is we wouldn't it would still have been 0-0, as much as I like Matty - We need a goalscorer, and Matty's done a fantastic job this season, proved me wrong, but unfortunately it's still not enough - That's not saying I want him out of the team, but it's saying we need someone else to help out and be a goalscorer. The disappointing thing is, we're only signing a striker if Matty goes, which hopefully he's not, and even then I fear it'd be a rushed, rubbish signing. A 0-0 draw against the top of the league side, with 10 v 12 men, gotta be happy, good for confidence, and getting back on track
ACF Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 What's this stuff about SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEATS?
Guest DavidJCW Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 If only Fryatt had scored that goal it would of been a cracker.I love Waghorn not the best game his played but you can just tell he is a super talent. I really hope we buy him at the end off the season. YES!
Mike the Metal Ed Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 What's this stuff about SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEATS? Taking the piss out of the Geordies' accents when they sang "They're here, they're there, they're every fooking where, empty seats".
reynard Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Have to admit that I really didn't think we could play with that tyoe of quality for 90 minutes. Wellens deserved to be sent off and could have cost us the game. The ref was truly shocking. Just before Wellens was booked for the first time their no.18 lunged in late at him and should have been booked. Their central defender brings down Gallagher on the edge of the area and should have been booked. The tackle by taylor on Waghorn was at the very best reckless and potentially dangerous, yes he got the ball but he took the man first, lucky not to have been booked and could have been sent off. Then Berner should have gone as well for a terrible challenge on Routledge. Add in the missed penalties and some very poor decisions for both sides and you could rightly claim he had a terrible game. Yet despite him for pure entertainment that was one of the most enjoyable games I've seen for a while and we can be proud of our performance. Some of our play was of a very high quality and fryatt was unlucky not to score when the ball hit their defender who simply turned his back on the game. The question for Pearson is Why can't we play like that more often? Not even every game just more regularly. The combination of Waghorn and Fryatt was good and we passed to feet on the ground. When Howard came on we effectively lost control of the game for the first time. Newcastle were very average, mainly because of how well we played but they did stand off us and their two central defenders were awful and consistently outpaced by Fryatt who is not the quickest. The rest of the league should watch a recording of that match and take heart. We showed them how to play newcastle and also showed that they are simply not that good, with their fans singing "attack attack" it shows how inept they were at breaking down a side with only ten men. great stuff.
skinnydipper Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Very good performance in the circumstances taking the game to Newcastle despite being a man down. In part though we got the result as a result of Newcastles lack of quality. How they're top I don't know.Can't help but think that a team like West Brom or Forest would have had at least two. I thought Pearson did well to leave the team as it was for most of the game. The only thing I didn't understand was bringing Howard on when we needed fresh legs. Fryatt and Waghorn worked hard at closing down and then Howard comes on and saunters around, fails to hold the ball up and does generally bugger all. Loved what he did for us last year and that goal against Leeds will live long in the memory but can't help but think that the step up to the Championship and being a year older mean that he's past it at this level. Perhaps in a side that got the ball into the box he might prove me wrong but I'm really struggling to see what he brings to the team this season
leftsideoverhere Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 I've watched it again on the Football League show and he never pulled him back as I thought, he only put his hand on his shoulder and the guy just stumbled or decided to go down. Harsh booking and I think the ref made the decision after he saw the hand on the shoulder. 'Respect' to you for being prepared to revise your opinion. That's exactly why the idea of respect for the officials is so difficult these days - they make poor decisions and aren't able to revise their view - not sure that live reviews of refereeing decisions would be a good idea, but even having the refs do TV interviews and admit afterwards that they got it wrong would help. Can't believe there are people (well, maddog, mostly, but one or two others as well) using this game to have a dig at some of our players, either those playing (Howard) or those on the bench (McGivern). Why don't we just enjoy what we achieved today? Every player gave their all today, from my view. It was very difficult for our substitutes to come on and immediately pick up to the intensity that the team were playing at, but both Howard and Dyer worked hard when they came on. And Solano's cameo showed some touches of real class, vision and flair. Brown was back to his best, and it can't be a coincidence that it happened in the same game that Bruno was back in the left back slot. Gallagher, who many have questioned since his arrival, performed with some real skill, and if he hadn't let the situation get to him as he closed in on goal in the second half we'd have won the game too. He'd done all the hard work to beat three Geordies in a run at least as skillful as Fryatt's, but finding himself so close to goal seemed to actually put him off. Matt Oakley played like a real captain, got stuck in, and never let Newcastle come forward unharried. Even with Wellens missing our midfield were closing theirs down exceptionally fast, which completely denied them the space to exploit their extra man. I agree with those who say that Newcastle's tactics didn't capitalise on our weaknesses either before or after the sending off, and I think their loss of form really showed. Really liked the 4-3-2-1 formation, and I really hope NP has finally found the structure that our best players fit neatly into. Enjoyed this thread too - on Friday the discussion was about how fast we were going to slip down the table. Now, following a 0-0, we're nailed on for the playoffs again. I get dizzy just reading the threads. It is hard to keep perspective after a performance as good as yesterday's, but both the team and the fans need to make the effort. Live up to this standard against pretty much anyone else in the league and we will be climbing the table again, but if it's a case of lifting our game to play the league leaders that will be a real disappointment. Who knows?
skinnydipper Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Can't believe there are people (well, maddog, mostly, but one or two others as well) using this game to have a dig at some of our players, either those playing (Howard) or those on the bench (McGivern). Why don't we just enjoy what we achieved today?.... but both Howard and Dyer worked hard when they came on. I did enjoy it , hence my reference to a very good performance but from my chaise longue in the West Stand I saw a very different performance from Howard than that which you describe. And the fact that every member of the team had bust a gut to get something out of the game meant that I was more irked than normal at Howard sauntering around at the top of the pitch. Admittedly he made a couple of runs to close a player down but not as much as he should have for a player with fresh legs in those circumstances. Whilst recognising the many positives of the performance I do feel entitled to comment on the one decision that baffled me (i.e to put on an immobile player at a time when we needed to close down) And surely a match thread on an internet forum is an appropriate place to air that view.
C-man Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Howard's arrival was a positive move from Pearson in my opinion. Could easily have put another defender on. I imagine the thinking was that he could hold the ball up better than Waghorn could at the time. Didn't really pan out that way in the end and in hindsight I might have put N'Guessan on.
davieG Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Howard's arrival was a positive move from Pearson in my opinion. Could easily have put another defender on. I imagine the thinking was that he could hold the ball up better than Waghorn could at the time. Didn't really pan out that way in the end and in hindsight I might have put N'Guessan on. Unless he was tired I'd have left Waghorn on who was contributing defensively and able, through his pace and energy to cause problems up front. None of which Howard was capable of.
yorksfox Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 What a performance, hope it's not a one -off in front of the cameras. If Pearson gets the formation right then we can match anyone. Still feel he wasted 2 million on Gallagher and Wellens and we have too many similar players around the middle. Kermogrant and Howard of little value in terms of goalscloring, Fryatt is a real gem of a player who desperatel;y needs the right kind of support. However, what little money we have available for transfers has been wasted so I won't hold my breath.
dandannieldanok Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Birmingham City have gone 11 games with an unchanged line-up and just look at their form. Now on the basis of that performance Pearson should do the same simply. Obviously we'll be forced to change Wellens but that should be it. Same players, same formation, just sustain it for as long as possible. I hate the notion that it's a 'squad game'. The teams in the best form use the same core 11 for as long as possible, the squad should only be used for injuries and suspensions. Pearson must watch that performance again, realise it's the best we've seen for a month or two, and stop the chopping and changing.
Matt Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Also, credit to Gallagher yesterday i've been quick to slag him off on the wing (Not his fault, he's been told to play there - Although I think i'd be a fan of him upfront) but he had a good game yesterday was impressed by him. That just proves I don't get stuck in my ways when slagging off McGivern and Neilson off, I will slag them off because they've been poor, but if I think they have a good game i'll say - Time for McGivern and Neilson to make me give them credit and praise - Should they play.
Guest Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Also, credit to Gallagher yesterday i've been quick to slag him off on the wing (Not his fault, he's been told to play there - Although I think i'd be a fan of him upfront) but he had a good game yesterday was impressed Spot on. Made plenty of crucial interceptions, did his fair share defensively and looked to go forward almost all the time. Fully deserved his reception from the kop as he walked off
marbelladave Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Stayed over so have only just got home, so for what it is worth; Easy bit first. The referee, it's probably all been said but he was biased and inconsistent from the start. Routine tackles given as a foul when we made them and waved on when made by a player in yellow, no wonder some of our players got pissed off and put their foot in. A clumsy tackle from behind and a hand on the players shoulder earned Wellens a second yellow, yet a similar tackle made on Waghorn when he burst into the box on the left side was waved away, disgraceful. The Carroll handball was, by current standards, undisputable, King's (?) header was blocked, virtually on the line, by the defenders arm when it was clearly going in, would have been unlucky on the defender to a degree but his arm did save a goal and a penalty should have been given, but by then it was clear we were getting nothing. The effort and commitment put in by all our players was first class, 10 out of 10 stuff. Congratulations to everyone involved. On top of all that we actually played some football which was great to see. The set up was, for once, spot on. Our midfield trio were so dominant early doors that Newcastle had to resort to the long ball within 10 or so minutes, outstanding play. The front three showed showed considerable promise, but there is some tweaking to be done. Whilst continuing to maintain cover on his full back Waghorn need to attack the box more, he stayed too wide, too often. He's a striker playing from a wide position, not a winger, when we went down to 10 he played narrower and was the better for it. Gallagher does not have the pace to do the job on the right, N'Guessan is a much better option. Having said that Gallagher's performance when he was dropped back into midfield was for me, his best of the season. All in all a very positive performance, I am well pleased.... :thumbup:
dandannieldanok Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Was surprised when the BBC said Berner was back having missed 5 games. Seemed like an eternity not just 5 games.
marbelladave Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Quite so. Maybe Berner if fit or Dyer for Gallagher, but that's pretty close.For this game I would like to see, ------------------Weale------------------ Solano/Nielson-Morrison-Hobbs- Berner/Powell -----------Oakley---King---Wellens----------- --Waghorn------------------------------Dyer-- -----------------N'Guessan-------------------- Nigel Pearson reads my posts...... :whistle: A few changes in personnel (I did not think Fryatt would be fit otherwise he would have been in for Dyer) but exactly the setup and tactics outlined elsewhere in the thread. However more important than my gloating, (just ) , is whether we take the positives from that performance and build on it. The midfield 3 were excellent, including Gallagher when he dropped back to replace Wellens. They hunted as a unit and forced mistake after mistake from the much vaunted Newcastle midfield, in possession they passed it about like they they had never heard of hoofball. With the three of them playing narrow, they supported each other superbly, allowing both Oakley and King to get forward with menace, something we have not seen for a while. In addition the fullbacks moved up and supported the midfield without ever having to get right forward and get exposed, again excellent play. Fryatt proved me wrong with an excellent performance as lone striker, something I did not feel he was capable of. I would still like to see him with N'Guessan on the left, they should blend well as Fryatt likes to pull out to that side on occasion and N'Guessan can drive inside and attack centrally. Pretty much the natural game for both players. Waghorn (and maybe Pearson too) needs to work out that he is not a winger but a striker. Sure defensively he needs to go wide and cover but going forward he has to attack the box more. Use width on occasion to keep the full back honest, but in the main his job is to drive into the box and threaten the goal. The next big question is whether we will refine and build on this system and performance or will we use the absence of Wellens and the arrival of Solano to switch back to 4-4-bloody2! Hore you're reading this Mr P..........
sbfox Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 I'd like to see us play a slight variation on the one posted by marbelladave... What do people think of... ------------------Weale------------------ ----Morrison-Hobbs-Brown--Berner---- -------------King---Wellens----------- --Waghorn-------Oakley--------Gallagher-- -----------------Fryatt-------------------- I know it looks quite defensive with two in front on the back four and Fryatt out on his own, but we know Waghorn and Gallagher are strikers more than anything, and if those to were allowed to roam, with Oakley sticking central, I think we could keep clean sheets and create chances (as shown yesterday...)
Sparky Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Last nights performance filled me with nothing but pride, the effort shown with 10 against the league leaders was excellent. Just a word for Bruno Berner, he was absolutley dead on his feet from 75 mins onwards but battled like a lion to see it through till the end. He never gave less than 110% last night and i am delighted to have him back
marbelladave Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Last nights performance filled me with nothing but pride, the effort shown with 10 against the league leaders was excellent. Just a word for Bruno Berner, he was absolutley dead on his feet from 75 mins onwards but battled like a lion to see it through till the end. He never gave less than 110% last night and i am delighted to have him back This. True of many of the others as well!..... :appl:
dandannieldanok Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 I'd like to see us play a slight variation on the one posted by marbelladave... What do people think of...------------------Weale------------------ ----Morrison-Hobbs-Brown--Berner---- -------------King---Wellens----------- --Waghorn-------Oakley--------Gallagher-- -----------------Fryatt-------------------- I know it looks quite defensive with two in front on the back four and Fryatt out on his own, but we know Waghorn and Gallagher are strikers more than anything, and if those to were allowed to roam, with Oakley sticking central, I think we could keep clean sheets and create chances (as shown yesterday...) Well yes that's exactly what we played and it worked so here's hoping Pearson keeps with it. I thought Oakley flourished in his more attacking central role yesterday, definitely saw the best of him in that position.
Sylvie85 Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 First names on the team sheet next week, Wayne brown and Michael Morrison. Thought they were outstanding. But then again they were all outstanding just thought they deserved a specialmention. What a performance, filled me with absolute pride.
marbelladave Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Well yes that's exactly what we played and it worked so here's hoping Pearson keeps with it.I thought Oakley flourished in his more attacking central role yesterday, definitely saw the best of him in that position. The three midfielders played together and did pretty much everything together. This allowed Oakley and King to get forward not because of any clever positional play but because of the solid team play they produced. Gallagher does not have the pace to play the wide role, but that's ok at the moment as he can drop back and replace Wellens who will od course be banned. Danni on the flank as detailed above, thanks!
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