sw_fox Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Yesterday showed me just how much we have missed Bruno Berner.
Joe. Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Not going to provide an in depth analysis as I'd imagine everything's been covered, but a few points. 1. Delighted with the performance, proud of the effort. If Fryatt's solo had been coverted into a goal I think I'd still be masturbating over it now. 2. I never thought I'd be that happy seeing Bruno Berner back in the first team. What a massive step up from McGivern he really is, welcome back sir. So nearly got himself sent off though (and should have been sent his marching orders); if the referee hadn't taken so much abuse first half he would have been off without a doubt. 3. Wellens was a bellend. He can have no complaints with his sending off, you just can't do that when you're on a yellow card already. It was always going to end that way. And up to that point I thought he was our best player, completely pulling the strings in midfield and demonstrating just what we signed him for. 4. Pearson's subs killed the game off for us. I have no idea what he was thinking bringing on Dyer instead of N'Guessan, where for one the latter has a good record of providing late goals for us, is in decent form right now and is generally a better player. Frustrated me immensely. Long balls up to Howard saw us lose our shape completely, we waved goodbye to the passing football too early for my liking. 5. That last twenty minuets was horrible.
dandannieldanok Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 4. Pearson's subs killed the game off for us. I have no idea what he was thinking brining on Dyer instead of N'Guessan, where for one the latter has a god record of providing late goals for us, is in decent form right now and is generally a better player. Frustrated me immensely. Long balls up to Howard saw us lose our shape completely, we waved goodbye to the passing football too early for my liking. Agreed, we really lost our inpetus with the subs, it was real shame Gallagher was forced off with injury. The subs were the only disappointing thing of the night, as you say N'Guessan should have been on if anyone.
Bert Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Oakley had his best game for us in a long time yesterday. Fryatt was awesome and I'm wondering if people would still like to see him go? He is key to our season. Our defence looked so much more confident with Bruno back.
dandannieldanok Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Fryatt was awesome and I'm wondering if people would still like to see him go? He is key to our season. Definitely, the lad is golden. He's added work-rate to his game now too, really put pressure on their defence. I'll lose faith in the current regime if we sell him.
Chrysalis Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Not going to provide an in depth analysis as I'd imagine everything's been covered, but a few points. 1. Delighted with the performance, proud of the effort. If Fryatt's solo had been coverted into a goal I think I'd still be masturbating over it now. 2. I never thought I'd be that happy seeing Bruno Berner back in the first team. What a massive step up from McGivern he really is, welcome back sir. So nearly got himself sent off though (and should have been sent his marching orders); if the referee hadn't taken so much abuse first half he would have been off without a doubt. 3. Wellens was a bellend. He can have no complaints with his sending off, you just can't do that when you're on a yellow card already. It was always going to end that way. And up to that point I thought he was our best player, completely pulling the strings in midfield and demonstrating just what we signed him for. 4. Pearson's subs killed the game off for us. I have no idea what he was thinking brining on Dyer instead of N'Guessan, where for one the latter has a god record of providing late goals for us, is in decent form right now and is generally a better player. Frustrated me immensely. Long balls up to Howard saw us lose our shape completely, we waved goodbye to the passing football too early for my liking. 5. That last twenty minuets was horrible. agree with #4 defenitly.
nuneatonfox Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Well it wasn't a bad performance by the foxes, but I reckon Forest played much better than Newcastle So I can see Forest & West Brom going up. Have you noticed most of the Newcastle team are unknowns. I mean I only know Kevin Nolan, Marlon Harewood, Alan Smith & Joey Barton the rest are reserve players from last season.
Fosse Boy Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Well it wasn't a bad performance by the foxes, but I reckon Forest played much better than Newcastle So I can see Forest & West Brom going up. Have you noticed most of the Newcastle team are unknowns. I mean I only know Kevin Nolan, Marlon Harewood, Alan Smith & Joey Barton the rest are reserve players from last season. Yeah, because how teams is play against us i the only judge of how the league will finish...
lildave3 Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Well it wasn't a bad performance by the foxes, but I reckon Forest played much better than Newcastle So I can see Forest & West Brom going up. Have you noticed most of the Newcastle team are unknowns. I mean I only know Kevin Nolan, Marlon Harewood, Alan Smith & Joey Barton the rest are reserve players from last season. Think that says more about you than anything else.
Guest Bilo Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Newcastle and West Brom will grab the automatic spots as predicted by the world and his wife pre-season. Forest will be playing a lot of fellow play-off contenders and are likely to drop a few points before May, they'll make third but that's no guarantee of Premiership football next season. The defeat to Derby couldn't have come at a worse time.
Shrenchel Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Newcastle and West Brom will grab the automatic spots as predicted by the world and his wife pre-season. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...t=24&page=3 Newcastle UnitedThey will be the biggest draw in the Championship but that also makes them the biggest scalp. Add to that they are the biggest mess, with the most to lose, and the immediate future looks rather less bright than their horrendous new away kit. So much for the good news. After the 6-1 hammering by Leyton Orient, the exit of Obafemi Martins is likely to trigger more departures, so whoever takes over as manager at St James’ Park — Alan Shearer, Kevin Keegan or Mike Ashley — will have his work cut out to sort a team shape by teatime this Saturday. Unless the club are sold into sensible hands soon, they could even get relegated. Prediction: 20 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/au...by-team-preview Newcastle UnitedCaretaker manager Chris Hughton One to watch Nile Ranger, 18 The club seemingly no one wants to own, manage or take a relegation-related pay-cut for. The supporters will remain loyal and their team is sure to draw crowds to every ground they visit. Unfortunately that may owe more to morbid curiosity than the talent on show. Prediction Mid-table mediocrity
Sods Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Agreed, we really lost our inpetus with the subs, it was real shame Gallagher was forced off with injury. The subs were the only disappointing thing of the night, as you say N'Guessan should have been on if anyone. Still think Dyer was the best option, Dyer is in my view defensively better in the way that he works harder, Gallagher was basically playing centre mid as well which I can't imagine N'Guessan doing. It was the right substitution, maybe if we was losing it wouldn't have been right. Howard came on to win the longer balls as our Midfield got tired and was there to hold it up in which he didn't, I would of prefer Yann who plays deeper however isn't as threatening in front of goal. Then Solano came on due to the midfield getting tired, and it would of been harsh on Howard bringing him off after 5 minutes.
Shrenchel Posted 31 January 2010 Posted 31 January 2010 Still think Dyer was the best option, Dyer is in my view defensively better in the way that he works harder, Gallagher was basically playing centre mid as well which I can't imagine N'Guessan doing. It was the right substitution, maybe if we was losing it wouldn't have been right. Howard came on to win the longer balls as our Midfield got tired and was there to hold it up in which he didn't, I would of prefer Yann who plays deeper however isn't as threatening in front of goal. Then Solano came on due to the midfield getting tired, and it would of been harsh on Howard bringing him off after 5 minutes. Spot on. This is what I said to some bloke who was getting fvcking enraged about how Pearson's subs had almost cost us the game. The twat was going absolutely mental, acting like his waters had just broke.
marbelladave Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 Still think Dyer was the best option, Dyer is in my view defensively better in the way that he works harder, Gallagher was basically playing centre mid as well which I can't imagine N'Guessan doing. It was the right substitution, maybe if we was losing it wouldn't have been right. Howard came on to win the longer balls as our Midfield got tired and was there to hold it up in which he didn't, I would of prefer Yann who plays deeper however isn't as threatening in front of goal. Then Solano came on due to the midfield getting tired, and it would of been harsh on Howard bringing him off after 5 minutes. Having to keep Gallagher in midfield for 40 minutes or so, then bring on Dyer, shows how short we are in midfield. Gallagher did bloody well and Dyer was ok in a deeper than usual role. Howard was a mistake, N'Guessan would have been a much bigger threat and a better option. C'est la vie, we got a point in great adversity, excellent!
Raj Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 Great battling performance from our boys against the Giants of the League,who've won fook all in 50 years!!!! Pity our fans dont allow the team to have a bad run without wanting to sack the manager or rip into the players!!! Im sure the Phone In will proclaim us as potential League winners this week... Well Done Boys...and the atmo in L1 was very good on the whole too!!!
Guest Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 I think it all depends on which players play in the wide midfield positions, if you can have 2 attack minded players on the flanks who can support a lone striker quickly then i think its a dangerous formation but its vital that a short passing game is used to get the most from your 3 central midfielders.Ive seen teams use the formation negatively several times by filling the wide positions with full backs and just containing teams I agree. I think we have the personnel to play the attacking version.
nuneatonfox Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 Didn't think of Steve Howard much when he came on, didn't do much. Is DJ still with us?
davieG Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 Didn't think of Steve Howard much when he came on, didn't do much. Is DJ still with us? Try reading the forum that's what it's for you lazy arse!
dandannieldanok Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 Still think Dyer was the best option, Dyer is in my view defensively better in the way that he works harder, Gallagher was basically playing centre mid as well which I can't imagine N'Guessan doing. It was the right substitution, maybe if we was losing it wouldn't have been right. I personally disagree with the notion that Dyer is defensively better than N'Guessan or anyone else for that matter. On the occasion he does get back he no use to us in defence; not strong enough and can't tackle. I rate Dyer very highly as an attacking winger (when he does actually decide to hug the line and run at defenders), but nothing more, I don't see him as a well rounded player.
Bert Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 I personally disagree with the notion that Dyer is defensively better than N'Guessan or anyone else for that matter. On the occasion he does get back he no use to us in defence; not strong enough and can't tackle. I rate Dyer very highly as an attacking winger (when he does actually decide to hug the line and run at defenders), but nothing more, I don't see him as a well rounded player. He's better than McGivern at left back.
Guest Bilo Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...t=24&page=3http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/au...by-team-preview Oops. Got that one very wrong. Perhaps everyone was expecting them to haemorrhage players pre-season and that exodus never materialised. The team as it is though won't have a problem winning promotion, clearly the best side in the league and should be looking at a mid-table finish next season. West Brom will probably tail them until the last few weeks with Forest a few points behind them in third.
lcfcadam Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 "Wayne Brown, he'll break your f***ing legs!" The big man's made Championship Team of the Week! Well done to him, although I'd say he represents the whole back four against Newcastle... http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFil...4~149507,00.pdf
Fez of Mahrez Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 "Wayne Brown, he'll break your f***ing legs!"The big man's made Championship Team of the Week! Well done to him, although I'd say he represents the whole back four against Newcastle... http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFil...4~149507,00.pdf Patrick van Aanholt must have bought a lot of Coke over the weekend to get himself in that team. (Well, he is a Chelsea player after all)
Thracian Posted 1 February 2010 Posted 1 February 2010 Having to keep Gallagher in midfield for 40 minutes or so, then bring on Dyer, shows how short we are in midfield. Gallagher did bloody well and Dyer was ok in a deeper than usual role.Howard was a mistake, N'Guessan would have been a much bigger threat and a better option. C'est la vie, we got a point in great adversity, excellent! You'e right about Gallagher but the bloke offers so little goal threat, as his stats over the years consistently indicate, that, from open play, Fryatt usually looked to be our only hope of a goal in the absence of N'Guessan. And, while I'd agree about the Dutchman IF we were going flat out for a winner, I rather think Pearson was concerned about people running out of the energy to close Newcastle down and just saw Howard as someone who could hold the ball and win a few free-kicks, thus slowing the tempo and giving our 10-man team at least a little respite. Not sure it really worked out like that but it's not an occasion I'd want to criticise Pearson for seeing it that way.
marbelladave Posted 2 February 2010 Posted 2 February 2010 You'e right about Gallagher but the bloke offers so little goal threat, as his stats over the years consistently indicate, that, from open play, Fryatt usually looked to be our only hope of a goal in the absence of N'Guessan.And, while I'd agree about the Dutchman IF we were going flat out for a winner, I rather think Pearson was concerned about people running out of the energy to close Newcastle down and just saw Howard as someone who could hold the ball and win a few free-kicks, thus slowing the tempo and giving our 10-man team at least a little respite. Not sure it really worked out like that but it's not an occasion I'd want to criticise Pearson for seeing it that way. Fair enough logic even though I disagree about the worth of Howard in that situation, virtually a lone striker. Gallagher is a bit of an odd player, poor in the air, not enough goal threat to be a real striker, too slow to play on the flanks and not robust enough to really play in midfield. Having said that I can see him in the role he played for much of saturday, providing the creative 'spark' in a central midfield 3 where the other players do more of the running and covering. He would need to work on his covering and positioning in a defensive sense so that he can at least make a contribution when the opposition has the ball. He is an intelligent player, surely he could learn to do that.
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