Walshy5 Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 This season we,ve gained players like wellens and n,guessen, however we,ve lost out on one or two such as gilbert and cleverley so thought this could make an interesting debate.
Guest Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Prepare for a shitstorm of negativity in this thread mate
hackneyfox Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 I wasn't overly impressed with Gilbert last season as a defender. We definitely miss Cleverley, who has caused problems all season at this level.
ousefox Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 We are definately stonger this season. We have a consistently great keeper, our defence is looking stronger apart from occasionally when Brown is against speedy players, our midfield has more depth and crativity, and we have more options upfront. Cleverly was good for us but he wasn't amazing. Seems like he has been performing well at Waforf though. Gradel has been replaced with a much more physical and versatile player in N'Guessan. We are 6th in the league with a team that on its day can beat any other team in the Championship.
Thracian Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Doubt there's a lot of difference. Cleverley and Davies were quality but they weren't ever "our" players and Gilbert was just a limited journeyman. Wellens has skill but gives the ball away far too much. N'Guessan is a striker Pearson seems to part utilise as a winger, Gallagher is a supposed striker who looks much more a midfielder and I can't think of a positive word to say about our now displaced full-backs, Neilson and McGivern. We remain ridiculously short of goalscorers, especially now Fryatt has injured and Campbell's gone on loan so, overall, I cannot see that we've improved at all. And certainly our philosophy hasn't improved. I don't think we ever genuinely commit to scoring goals. We're eternally preocupied with covering our backs.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 We are definately stonger this season. We have a consistently great keeper, our defence is looking stronger apart from occasionally when Brown is against speedy players, our midfield has more depth and crativity, and we have more options upfront.Cleverly was good for us but he wasn't amazing. Seems like he has been performing well at Waforf though. Gradel has been replaced with a much more physical and versatile player in N'Guessan. We are 6th in the league with a team that on its day can beat any other team in the Championship. Think you're bang on with everything except the bit about creativity. There isnt enough at all and there seems to be this rumour going around that Wellens is our creative player when really I think we play better without him.
Scow Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Cleverly was good for us but he wasn't amazing. Seems like he has been performing well at Waforf though. Agree with this, but he really seems to have stepped up a level at Watford - one of the best midfielders in the Championship this season. I think we are stronger this season, simply for the fact Berner has played more at left back.
Sir Fynwy Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Doubt there's a lot of difference. Cleverley and Davies were quality but they weren't ever "our" players and Gilbert was just a limited journeyman.Wellens has skill but gives the ball away far too much. N'Guessan is a striker Pearson seems to part utilise as a winger, Gallagher is a supposed striker who looks much more a midfielder and I can't think of a positive word to say about our now displaced full-backs, Neilson and McGivern. We remain ridiculously short of goalscorers, especially now Fryatt has injured and Campbell's gone on loan so, overall, I cannot see that we've improved at all. And certainly our philosophy hasn't improved. I don't think we ever genuinely commit to scoring goals. We're eternally preocupied with covering our backs. In interviews Dany has said he wants to play on the wing and he doesn't like/feel comfortable playing as a forward.
Thracian Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 In interviews Dany has said he wants to play on the wing and he doesn't like/feel comfortable playing as a forward. If Dany doesn't know where he's best suited to playing that's not my fault. Pretty much the only time he's a danger is when he's in the box and, comfortable or not, he looks a lot more likely to score than any other striker we've got apart from Fryatt. The more he plays there the more comfortable he's likely to feel.
Thracian Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 We are definately stonger this season. We have a consistently great keeper, our defence is looking stronger apart from occasionally when Brown is against speedy players, our midfield has more depth and crativity, and we have more options upfront.Cleverly was good for us but he wasn't amazing. Seems like he has been performing well at Waforf though. Gradel has been replaced with a much more physical and versatile player in N'Guessan. We are 6th in the league with a team that on its day can beat any other team in the Championship. Didn't our keeper play for us last season as well? So did most of our defenders and all our midfielders apart from Wellens who's been no more than a reputation from what I've seen so far.
lou Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 If Dany doesn't know where he's best suited to playing that's not my fault. Pretty much the only time he's a danger is when he's in the box and, comfortable or not, he looks a lot more likely to score than any other striker we've got apart from Fryatt. The more he plays there the more comfortable he's likely to feel. Dany does know... he said hes best on the wing! I always thought he was a winger anyway?
Thracian Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Dany does know... he said hes best on the wing! I always thought he was a winger anyway? Look where his goals have come from - predominently inside the penalty area. As a winger he doesn't get his head up to see the pictures well enough nor does he pass the ball quickly enough or show the pace/trickery needed to beat a man consistently. The ball seems forever stuck between his legs.
lou Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Look where his goals have come from - predominently inside the penalty area. As a winger he doesn't get his head up to see the pictures well enough nor does he pass the ball quickly enough or show the pace/trickery needed to beat a man consistently. The ball seems forever stuck between his legs. Im saying nothing!
Dr The Singh Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Im saying nothing! Trust, Thracian to look and notice,................... I think after having a few, he comes out of the closet!!!
lou Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Trust, Thracian to look and notice,................... I think after having a few, he comes out of the closet!!! Oh God, Im gonna have to look myself now! I wont be able to help myself if hes playing on Satdee!
Tony Pine Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Look where his goals have come from - predominently inside the penalty area. As a winger he doesn't get his head up to see the pictures well enough nor does he pass the ball quickly enough or show the pace/trickery needed to beat a man consistently. The ball seems forever stuck between his legs. i disagree
caz05 Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 Think you're bang on with everything except the bit about creativity. There isnt enough at all and there seems to be this rumour going around that Wellens is our creative player when really I think we play better without him. Oh God, Im gonna have to look myself now! I wont be able to help myself if hes playing on Satdee!
dandannieldanok Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 If Dany doesn't know where he's best suited to playing that's not my fault. Pretty much the only time he's a danger is when he's in the box and, comfortable or not, he looks a lot more likely to score than any other striker we've got apart from Fryatt. The more he plays there the more comfortable he's likely to feel. no disrespect but I think Dany knows where he likes to play better than you do.
Webbo Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 no disrespect but I think Dany knows where he likes to play better than you do. I agree with Thrac on this, he looks like a striker to me. Just because he prefers to play on the wing doesn't mean it's his best position.
dandannieldanok Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 I agree with Thrac on this, he looks like a striker to me. Just because he prefers to play on the wing doesn't mean it's his best position. You're both just falling into the stereotype that because he's tall and physical then he must be a central target man. It's funny that all of his previous managers, and currently Pearson, seem to agree with Dany that he's predominantly best used in a wide position. Coincidence or what.
Thracian Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 You're both just falling into the stereotype that because he's tall and physical then he must be a central target man. It's funny that all of his previous managers, and currently Pearson, seem to agree with Dany that he's predominantly best used in a wide position. Coincidence or what. Who said anything about him being a target man? Howard is the only "target man" I've seen at the club. Kergomant might come next. In no way is N'Guessan a target man. I don't give a toss what Pearson or N'Guessan's previous managers think either. From all I've seen he's wasted out wide in the main. But inside and just around the box he has the short burst speed to lose a marker, the instinct to get into good scoring positions, good heading ability and the strength to survive the inevitable attention when he does shoot. The evidence is clear from the stats which show that his per minute on the pitch is pretty good compared with our options. http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/Appe...10274~7,00.html http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/Goal...10274~7,00.html http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/Shoo...10274~7,00.html
dandannieldanok Posted 11 February 2010 Posted 11 February 2010 I don't give a toss what Pearson or N'Guessan's previous managers think either. From all I've seen he's wasted out wide in the main. But inside and just around the box he has the speed to lose a marker, the instinct to get into good scoring positions, good heading ability and the strength to survive the inevitable attention when he does shoot. Well perhaps you should give a toss because it's pretty clear they all think he's a winger so I reckon you'll have to get used to it. When N'Guessan is in full flight he's the most dangerous and tricky customer running with the ball at his feet and he can thump a good cross in too. It's not hard to see why the lad and his managers think he's best suited to be a winger. There's nothing to stop him being both a winger and a striker, but I've personally failed to see anything this season that suggests both the player and manager are wrong about his best position.
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