davieG Posted 22 April 2010 Posted 22 April 2010 BNP all the way for me Nick Griffin Would you like me to move your post to the correct topic - http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=52908&pid=1605975&st=600entry1605975
ramboacdc Posted 22 April 2010 Posted 22 April 2010 still voting lib dem so far. so unless clegg calls me a **** within the next 2 weeks hes got my vote.
Fosse Boy Posted 22 April 2010 Posted 22 April 2010 BNP all the way for me Nick Griffin Wind up surely?
James. Posted 22 April 2010 Posted 22 April 2010 Is this on any radio station? BBC Radio 4. (FYI - this information was gleaned by Googling "Leaders debate radio")
FoxyPV Posted 22 April 2010 Posted 22 April 2010 BBC Radio 4. (FYI - this information was gleaned by Googling "Leaders debate radio") I was on FT and knew someone would know - pure laziness on my part
davieG Posted 22 April 2010 Posted 22 April 2010 Those unruly Tory Toffs I have just been told that two female Labour volunteers were knocked to the ground in a scuffle in Poplar after they were attacked by two men in Prescott masks. Their identities were allegedly subsequently revealed as Tory council candidates, one of whom is allegedly a Martin Coxallhttp://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/public-accounts/2010/04/poplar-prescott-ground
Jimothy Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 BNP all the way for me Nick Griffin Wind up surely? Very much a wind up. Shouldn't leave myself logged in on a work computer I'll be voting Lib Dem. Can't believe thats been there a day and I didn't notice!
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 Yes, Liberal Democrat I think, but maybe, just maybe B.N.P.
Asha Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 From a selfish point of view, I'm gutted that the election has been scheduled for just two weeks before I turn 18, and therefore I cannot vote this time around. I want a government that will not encourage secularism, simple as. Link I remain sceptical of how Clegg can effectively 'put Christian values at the heart' of his party's campaign, but has claimed he doesn't believe in God before. As someone commented below in the article, I want a leader who believes in something other than themselves. All three main party leaders claim to have some form of connection to Christianity, but it seems to me like they're only bringing that up when it suits them to win votes. Under 13 years of Labour government and two leaders who are both apparently religious, it amazes me how they've stood by or even encouraged and allowed the aggressive secular movement that seems to have emerged in this country, and in the example of Shirley Chaplin, even attempted to restrict those expressing their beliefs in public.
Fosse Boy Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 From a selfish point of view, I'm gutted that the election has been scheduled for just two weeks before I turn 18, and therefore I cannot vote this time around. I want a government that will not encourage secularism, simple as. Why? Religion and politics have no business mixing. Government should be for the good of ALL the people, and shouldn't allow ANY religion to interfere with its agenda.
Bert Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 They're all full of shit at the end of the day. I bet most of the promises made will end up broken. I don't like all the hype and over-reaction to the election, and I don't really have a great interest in politics to be honest but I'm still going to use my vote. It's tight between Lib Dem and conservative for me. I just don't want it to go to Labour. I did see a great couple of advertisments on billboards in Manchester this week just gone. A picture of Gordon Brown and a line saying "I doubled the national debt, Let me do it again" Vote Conservative.
Shrenchel Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 Christianity is dying out in this country because God doesn't exist. How the fvck is government policy supposed to change that?!
Asha Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 Why? Religion and politics have no business mixing. Government should be for the good of ALL the people, and shouldn't allow ANY religion to interfere with its agenda. In response to this, I'm going to quote this article: Probably the best article I've ever read and I encourage anyone to read that. without the restraining, selfless morality that ultimately stems from faith, the triumph of either social anarchy or totalitarianism becomes a worrying possibility. Completely removing, or failing to take into account religion in politics would suggest to me that at some point the government could impose further restrictions on religion and religious people, especially in terms of expressing beliefs even remotely in public. And it astounds me how some of those who ridicule Christianity will have no problem singing our national anthem, which is a prayer, and makes several references to God and asks him for safety of the Queen and ourselves. I know the first verse is most commonly used, but look at the last two lines of the second verse: "On Thee our hopes we fix, God save us all."
BoneDog Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 If the world wants to live in a democracy then religion has to be involved surely, being as 80% of the worlds population are religious. 5 billion people are supposedly religious and just over 1 billion aren't.
Shrenchel Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 a) You can have strong morality without religion. b) Some of the most totalitarian regimes in the world are based on religion. Some of the most immoral things in history have been done in the name of Christianity.
Asha Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 If the world wants to live in a democracy then religion has to be involved surely, being as 80% of the worlds population are religious. 5 billion people are supposedly religious and just over 1 billion aren't. Exactly, you can't marginalise the views of the clear majority.
Shrenchel Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 If the world wants to live in a democracy then religion has to be involved surely, being as 80% of the worlds population are religious. 5 billion people are supposedly religious and just over 1 billion aren't. I'm not sure what the world has got to do with British democracy. Only just over a million people in Britain go to Church every week. Add another million for practising members of other religions. That's not even 4% of the population.
BoneDog Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 I'm not sure what the world has got to do with British democracy. Only just over a million people in Britain go to Church every week. Add another million for practising members of other religions. That's not even 4% of the population. Yeah I was gonna add that I didn't think the percentage would be so high in the UK! Although I do think the numbers are a little higher because alot of religious folk don't go to church. I'd consider myself religious cos I believe in some higher power but I never go to church or oat.
Asha Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 Only just over a million people in Britain go to Church every week. Add another million for practising members of other religions. That's not even 4% of the population. That's not because as a society we've come to a decision that 'religion is bullshit'. In schools, the content of religious studies' lessons is usually very poor, something I wish I could change. If young people are barely introduced to religion, given an informed view of why people believe, the theories of creation etc, there would be a lot more people that take an interest. In my experience, my religious studies lessons at secondary school were more concerned with the issues like morality and abortion than trying to teach more about religious beliefs, history of religion etc. Without this, how are kids being provided with the basis to make a decision for themselves? Whereas in Science textbooks and the like, it will say 'The universe was created by a big bang', without pointing out that this is just a theory and a viewpoint and not actual fact. And at GCSE level, there was a compulsory 'short course', but on choosing the 'full course' as an additional subject I was told there wasn't the demand for it. At A Level it was not even offered as a subject. With the intention to do Theology at university, I asked several university representatives at this weeks' University Fair at Loughborough Uni whether their University offered it as a degree, to which most answered 'Theology? What's that?'
Flynny Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 In my experience, my religious studies lessons at secondary school were more concerned with the issues like morality and abortion than trying to teach more about religious beliefs, history of religion etc. Without this, how are kids being provided with the basis to make a decision for themselves? Whereas in Science textbooks and the like, it will say 'The universe was created by a big bang', without pointing out that this is just a theory and a viewpoint and not actual fact. They should probably say "scientists developed this theory, tested it, found evidence for it, but hey, if you think it's bollocks then ignorance is your prerogative". Religion is completely different to science. Religion has its roots in poetry and feeling, science in logic and testing. Teaching them the same way is not really going to happen. As for religion and power - saying that people who don't believe in god only believe in themselves sounds like a snazzy soundbite but doesn't make a lot of sense. Perhaps they believe in evidence-based policy based on study and research? Makes sense to me, it's certainly what I'd do if I was in charge. Most of the country that profess to be religious are not really religious in any real sense of the word, in that they live principled lives according to their beliefs. Most people who claim to be religious haven't really considered it but quite like the idea of heaven, which isn't really a reason to do anything at all. Formulating policy that stems from one religious belief would overlook the fact that a substantial amount of the country don't care or subscribe to different beliefs entirely. I agree with you wholeheartedly about things about people having to remove crosses being ridiculous, but that's not to say we have to have a religious man as PM. Besides, Tony Blair turns out to have been a Catholic and is responsible for much of existing legislation, so ??????
Head Honcho Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 If the world wants to live in a democracy then religion has to be involved surely, being as 80% of the worlds population are religious. 5 billion people are supposedly religious and just over 1 billion aren't. ......................and how many Muslim countries are Democratic exactly?
Daggers Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 In my experience, my religious studies lessons at secondary school were more concerned with the issues like morality and abortion than trying to teach more about religious beliefs, history of religion etc. Without this, how are kids being provided with the basis to make a decision for themselves? So we should be teaching them about Satanism as well then - yeah? Just so the kids can make a balanced decision and all.
Head Honcho Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 So we should be teaching them about Satanism as well then - yeah? Just so the kids can make a balanced decision and all. Teaching children something that is not scientifically proven is just wrong!
BoneDog Posted 23 April 2010 Posted 23 April 2010 That religion is real and the real powerful people on our planet practice it. Only certain kids get taught about that shiz
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