andy_croydz Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 I agree about paying £25 for a ticket and not being able to see the game. I also think giving the Fosse Boys their own section in the ground is a very good idea, needs a bit of give and take though. Say for instance some people have had a season ticket for the past 3 years+ in a section that the Fosse Boys want to allocate as their own... I can't see those season ticket holders being too chuffed.
SamL Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 I agree about paying £25 for a ticket and not being able to see the game. I also think giving the Fosse Boys their own section in the ground is a very good idea, needs a bit of give and take though. Say for instance some people have had a season ticket for the past 3 years+ in a section that the Fosse Boys want to allocate as their own... I can't see those season ticket holders being too chuffed. We're keen to liaise with the club in order to minimize the effect that a possible allocation has on other fans. For example, the area that we'd perhaps be allocated would be the corner between G1 and SK1 where there don't appear to be a huge number of season ticket holders.
Guest Bilo Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 I agree about paying £25 for a ticket and not being able to see the game. I also think giving the Fosse Boys their own section in the ground is a very good idea, needs a bit of give and take though. Say for instance some people have had a season ticket for the past 3 years+ in a section that the Fosse Boys want to allocate as their own... I can't see those season ticket holders being too chuffed. Thing is that the section of the ground chosen for this venture is often empty on match days. The back of the corner of SK1/G1 must have a pretty negligible number of season ticket holders if compared to the sections of the Kop directly behind the goal.
andy_croydz Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 We're keen to liaise with the club in order to minimize the effect that a possible allocation has on other fans. For example, the area that we'd perhaps be allocated would be the corner between G1 and SK1 where there don't appear to be a huge number of season ticket holders. Yeah at the top there it's quite empty at times, would be a good place to allocate the Fosse Boys
foss1884 Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 Can i just add this very essential and valid point that some people have made related to the waving of the flags and banners during the game. This is not the idea, far from it. The visual display of flags and banners is "traditionally" done before kick-off, sometimes during goal celebrations and to salute a victory. Not strictly during the game. It is not practical or feasible, nor would any club allow it. This is a consideration clubs who have the banners and flags have already thought of.
SamL Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 If the group is to be successful, it is important to receive not only the backing of the club, but from other Leicester City supporters as well. The message that we're trying to get across is that we don't want to obstruct the view of other supporters, or to force them to relocate from a seat they've had for years, but to actually show them that a decent atmosphere can be created within the Walkers Stadium with a mild continental approach.
Lillehamring Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 can't help but feel that the email came across as a bit patronising. but hopefully, they'll see that it's just your enthusiasm bubbling up....
foss1884 Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 I have uploaded 20 images of flags so far for when Kevin responds. We may need to mobilise these flags fast to show the club as i stated in the email that supporters who have made the banners and flags would be willing to exhibit them to show the dramatic visual appeal and show that the Fosse Boys are prepared to go through official channels. The one thing i have learned quickly about this sort of thing through the case of the Yorvik Reds is that you need to include the club and if they are reluctant you simply do not give up! You persuade them and demonstrate what will be done and the benefit it will have. We may have to practice using them in the stand to show the club the effect it will have.
Tilley Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 It's important to remember that people have different ways of supporting their team. Perhaps the main aim of the Fosse Boys group is to support our team through the use of flags, banners etc. without harming other supporters, who perhaps would like to support their team in different ways. We aim to prevent other supporters becoming disgruntled by negotiating with the club in order to be allocated our own section. That's fine in hindsight. However, finding a section in the stadium with enough space to situate all of you 'Fosse Boys' will be difficult. Although we obviously don't have 28,000 STH, the ones we do have are dotted all over the stadium. If the club approached me and said we have allocated your seat to the 'Fosse Boys' for their section, you'll have to find somewhere else to sit, I'd tell the club where to stick it, as would many others. I think you lot are being quite unfair in saying the club aren't fair etc. I see that you want to increase the atmosphere which is great because it is one of the main reason I haven't renewed my season ticket this season as you're aware Sam, I do like to stand and sing but it's like a library down the Walkers. At the end of the day, the club have to facilitate alot of other loyal fans who are paying out for season tickets and we do have alot of grumpy fans who would kick off about having flags in their way or having to be moved, which whether you like it or not is more than understandable. I think you lot as a group will have to give and take and not go in all guns blazing expecting success overnight because it isn't realistic, nor will it work. It would have instantly put the club off the minute they saw the word 'ultra' but fair enough for not hiding who you are. I just think you need to remember the club rely heavily on the families and 'flask brigade' for income and they, unfortunately, are the prioritised group of supporters.
foss1884 Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 can't help but feel that the email came across as a bit patronising. but hopefully, they'll see that it's just your enthusiasm bubbling up.... True, that may be the case. That is your opinion. However, the points that needed to be made were articulated in a way that shows hopefully some degree of thought had been put into the matter.
Tilley Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 Also, the bloke using York City as an example. It isn't realistic, just look at the league differences and the differences in capacity and attendance, complete different ball game.
davieG Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 Just another thing I wanted to add about this idea... Would big flags ever be wanted inside the stadium whilst the game is in action? Our culture in English football is a lot different from Foreign football where a lot of clubs have massive flags waving throughout the game. You know what English peeps can be like... You'll probably get a few middle aged blokes shouting at you because your flag is in their way And I'll be leading them, but I don see it as a problem because from both perspectives this group needs to be ring-fenced (not literally) to a particular and exclusive area of the Stadium, hopefully at the back. I don't actually like flags but different generations bring different ideas and as long as they don't interfere with my view of the game then I'm happy to support the notion and any other ideas.
foss1884 Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 That's fine in hindsight. However, finding a section in the stadium with enough space to situate all of you 'Fosse Boys' will be difficult. Although we obviously don't have 28,000 STH, the ones we do have are dotted all over the stadium. If the club approached me and said we have allocated your seat to the 'Fosse Boys' for their section, you'll have to find somewhere else to sit, I'd tell the club where to stick it, as would many others. I think you lot are being quite unfair in saying the club aren't fair etc. I see that you want to increase the atmosphere which is great because it is one of the main reason I haven't renewed my season ticket this season as you're aware Sam, I do like to stand and sing but it's like a library down the Walkers. At the end of the day, the club have to facilitate alot of other loyal fans who are paying out for season tickets and we do have alot of grumpy fans who would kick off about having flags in their way or having to be moved, which whether you like it or not is more than understandable. I think you lot as a group will have to give and take and not go in all guns blazing expecting success overnight because it isn't realistic, nor will it work. It would have instantly put the club off the minute they saw the word 'ultra' but fair enough for not hiding who you are. I just think you need to remember the club rely heavily on the families and 'flask brigade' for income and they, unfortunately, are the prioritised group of supporters. If that is the case, i think you are being rather harsh and unduly critical. The club are misguided then if that is what you are saying it thinks as no group of supporter should be prioritised or given more consideration. Even York City conceded that not everybody will be happy with having flags and banners. But their argument was this is in the best interests of the club and its fans which over time everyone will buy into. Nobody also is saying that anybody has to be forcibly removed or relocated. It is only right the club give this a go as it is a new and fresh idea that has not been done before.
foss1884 Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 Also, the bloke using York City as an example. It isn't realistic, just look at the league differences and the differences in capacity and attendance, complete different ball game. The bloke is me "hello". Erm, it is realistic. Think about The Kop at Liverpool with a capacity of 15,000? Besides, the idea is only to be embraced in one section first and then expanded if need be. To say it is not realistic is cynical in the extreme and very dismissive. I would like to emulate York and not better it!
Tilley Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 If that is the case, i think you are being rather harsh and unduly critical. The club are misguided then if that is what you are saying it thinks as no group of supporter should be prioritised or given more consideration. Even York City conceded that not everybody will be happy with having flags and banners. But their argument was this is in the best interests of the club and its fans which over time everyone will buy into. Nobody also is saying that anybody has to be forcibly removed or relocated. It is only right the club give this a go as it is a new and fresh idea that has not been done before. It isn't harsh, it is realistic. Some people can't accept football is now a family game, whether that is good or not is another matter for another day. I am not dismissing your aims because if the Walkers had atmosphere, I would probably attend more games. However, Leicester City as a club would rather have a family of four in the family stand buying a couple of programmes, a few shirts and a Filbert Fox doll than a 19 year old going down to stand and sing for 90 minutes. Is it better for the club? I don't think so, better for some fans maybe but the club wouldn't benefit from it. The bloke is me "hello". Erm, it is realistic. Think about The Kop at Liverpool with a capacity of 15,000? Besides, the idea is only to be embraced in one section first and then expanded if need be. To say it is not realistic is cynical in the extreme and very dismissive. I would like to emulate York and not better it! Yes and to be successful in starting this new section, you would have to make a set of supporters very unhappy by relocating them, something I can guarantee the club wouldn't risk.
mancunianfox Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 And I'll be leading them, but I don see it as a problem because from both perspectives this group needs to be ring-fenced (not literally) to a particular and exclusive area of the Stadium, hopefully at the back. I don't actually like flags but different generations bring different ideas and as long as they don't interfere with my view of the game then I'm happy to support the notion and any other ideas. Thats a good point. Surely our stadium is big enough (and empty enough on most match days) to accommodate this group without it really causing harm to those people who don't want to be disturbed. In addition there are parts of the ground that we hardly ever fill and maybe the club could look at as attracting more supporters to the ground who otherwise wouldn't go. I think a lot of clubs like ours are going to experience a problem in a few years time in that they are not really attracting younger supporters between 18 and 30. Sure there are plenty of families who go but a lot of these parents would have gone to watch Leicester before they were parents. Are the next generation of parents going to suddenly start going to watch clubs like Leicester once they have kids? Probably not. While the clubs need to protect their bread and butter, they should also be considering their future and not alienating younger supporters.
andy_croydz Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 I think any idea to improve the atmosphere in the Walkers is a good one, it was never the same after we left Filbert Street. L1 has always been the place for chanting and atmosphere but it's never rubbed off in the rest of the stadium. The Kop do sing at times but it's nothing like the old Kop at Filbo was. The East stand apart from L1 is pretty much dead and the same goes for the West stand, although that is expected anyway.
andy_croydz Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 I would like to emulate York and not better it! After their trouble at the Luton game last season and the trouble at Hull in the friendly? I'd rather not emulate them
LCFC-ARAB Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 After their trouble at the Luton game last season and the trouble at Hull in the friendly? I'd rather not emulate them They didnt cause any of the trouble! and the argument about york being smaller clubs comapared to us just look at palace, ipswich and middlesbrough they are all allowed flags in their grounds and we arent asking anyone to move, i have a couple of times sat in the SK1 corner at the very back and had nobody within 20 seats of me! it is empty and i am sure 1 or 2 people wouldnt be that pissed off with being asked to move or that pissed off with getting involved with us! this really can work if the club help us out a bit i honestly do not think what we are asking for is unreasonable
andy_croydz Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 They didnt cause any of the trouble! I'm not being picky or looking for an arguement here so please don't see it that way... I have to say on the subject of York not causing any of the trouble at the Luton game or Hull game is up for question. Some people claim they weren't to blame but some people said they were involved.
foss1884 Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 I am very glad that York City Football Club are so supportive of the Yorvik Reds because from what some have put on here they would have been lynched and forced to disband with the negativity! I think those with some intelligence will know that what the Fosse Boys are trying to emulate are the visual displays rather than the hooliganism you refer to. To make any such assumptions to the contrary is idiotic. Even York City realise the mindless actions of a few do not tar the good work of the majority and the positive benefit it has as a whole.
LCFC-ARAB Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 I'm not being picky or looking for an arguement here so please don't see it that way... I have to say on the subject of York not causing any of the trouble at the Luton game or Hull game is up for question. Some people claim they weren't to blame but some people said they were involved. i'm not trying to argue either! but it was hull fans fighting each other! and luton fans on the pitch throwing stuff at york players! both had nothing what so ever to do with the Jorvic reds.
ousefox Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 I'm not being picky or looking for an arguement here so please don't see it that way... I have to say on the subject of York not causing any of the trouble at the Luton game or Hull game is up for question. Some people claim they weren't to blame but some people said they were involved. Don't know where you've got that from cos it's absolute bollocks. York had nothing to do with Hull fans and Luton were the ones causing trouble. Even outside Bootham Crescent in the first leg Luton were threatening York fans and trying to start fights.
Stand UP... Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 In the filbert street KOP days we always had a massive flag going around the pens before kick off, would cover around 30 people if not more. any chance we can create something like this, i for one would contribute financially
andy_croydz Posted 30 July 2010 Posted 30 July 2010 Don't know where you've got that from cos it's absolute bollocks. York had nothing to do with Hull fans and Luton were the ones causing trouble. Even outside Bootham Crescent in the first leg Luton were threatening York fans and trying to start fights. I don't think thats absolutely clear cut though, you are from York so you probably heard their side of the story. Not saying you are wrong, just saying it's not absolutely proved that it was just Luton and Hull fans that caused trouble. The Hull incident was most likely all Hull fans but the Luton game is still questionable, how does anyone know that a small minority of York fans didn't spark some trouble? Anyway, this isn't a debate on York fans, it's about the Fosse Boys and their ideas
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