Future England Stars.

[Jon the Hat]

Good but there is a little more to it than that.

The qualities that make top Premier League players are not the same as those qualities that make good international teams. Brazil, Argentina and Spain all have players who failed to make a real impact in the Premier League but are fixtures in the best international teams on the planet.

Look, for example, at someone like Tom Huddlestone, before his current weight problems (seems to be a Tottenham thing) I thought he would be a natural in international football. Sometimes he looks lost in the hurly burly of club football but his passing, composure and defensive skills make him an obvious choice in one of England's problem postitions but he was never given a chance, why, because more successful club players were ahead of him in the queue despite being completely unsuited to the role.

Yes that is my point. We start with the most successful Premiership players and try and make an England team. When wedging them together, we always end up with 4-4-2 because attempts at other formations fail. What we should be doing is starting with criteria of formation, skills and attitude that suit international football, and then start putting names in. It seems all our managers and the FA are more interested in putting in the same big names to attract sponsors etc. No one ever seems to get dropped, and those who get fed up with it retire or drift away.

[Tilley]

I'd rather not ever win another major tournament than do it with a bunch of nationalised players.

[Tilley]

Hart

Johnson Dawson Cahill Gibbs

Rodwell Huddlestone

Milner Wilshere Johnson

Rooney

[dandannieldanok]

I'd rather not ever win another major tournament than do it with a bunch of nationalised players.

Yea same here, was listening to somoene call in and suggest it on 5live last night, and the thought of having England recruit the likes of Arteta and Almunia didn't sit well with me.

[marbelladave]

Hart

Johnson Dawson Cahill Gibbs

Rodwell Huddlestone

Milner Wilshere Johnson

Rooney

Something like that, flesh out your starting XI with players like Foster, Richards, Shawcross, Onouha, Baines, Muamba, Young, Walcott, Lennon, Agbonglahor and maybe Zamora and see which combinations work best.

I would only take issue with your choice of Rooney. Personally I would leave him out during the initial stages of the reconstruction. I would look to add him, Cashley and perhaps Glen Johnson once the young players have established a team identity of their own without having to rely on one player however 'talismanic' he might or might not be!

[davieG]

Something like that, flesh out your starting XI with players like Foster, Richards, Shawcross, Onouha, Baines, Muamba, Young, Walcott, Lennon, Agbonglahor and maybe Zamora and see which combinations work best.

I would only take issue with your choice of Rooney. Personally I would leave him out during the initial stages of the reconstruction. I would look to add him, Cashley and perhaps Glen Johnson once the young players have established a team identity of their own without having to rely on one player however 'talismanic' he might or might not be!

The problem with this approach and it wont happen is that after a single friendly against Hungary - August 11th we're straight into the Euro 2012 qualifiers in September when we play Bulgaria on the 3rd and Switzerland on the 7th

[Sparky]

The word on Jack Rodwell is that eventually he will end up a centre half and does seem to have the attributes of a ball playing defender. Also will James Milner go on to replace Lamaprd in the centre of midfield, he was superb for Villa there and hopefully can step up. Hart is a absolute must to be given the chance to be 1st choice keeper and potentially he could be there for years. Is Walcotts future for England down the middle with Rooney or will he still play wide, its time for him to step up to the plate this season and i just hope Wenger gives him the game time.

[Jon the Hat]

As I said before, the problem is not the players per se, it is the selection. We need to:

1) Identify HOW we want to play.

2) Identify the system and skills required.

3) Identify the best 2 players in each position.

4) Play the best in each position unless this is proven not to work. Then choose the next best option.

5) Identify future stars in each position and include / play them when possible in order to develop them.

The current system seems to be:

1) Ask FA / Sponsors / Media who has to be in the squad.

2) Look at squad and try an work out who to put where.

3) Ignore performances and continue to pick the core of "BEST" players wedging them in somewhere.

4) Ignore the next generatiom completely.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Only thing with blooding youngsters will be the reaction from the fans.

England fans exepect success now. I don't think they'll be patient enough as a collective to allow youngsters time to develop.

[Tilley]

Likes of Lampard, Upson, Heskey shouldn't be anywhere near an England squad again.

[Narborough_fox]

Get players who know how to wear a national top with pride, unlike the money grabbing cvnt's!

[davieG]

We need an English anthem not the national anthem (British) dirge. That will guarantee success and anyone who doesn't sing it with full gusto doesn't get to play again.

The route to ultimate success.

[lildave3]

Seriously, why not?

Since there's a large influx of foreigners here, England should just naturalise a bunch of Eastern Europeans, Africans and Spaniards. The Germany key players all have Turkish, Polish and Tunisian descent. France and Portugal are similar as well, and they make no excuses about it. Most nations you will find 2 or 3 players who are naturalised. England must be the only country who happen to have all their players born in the United Kingdom. Owen Hargreaves is the only exception, but he was born to English/Welsh parents anyway.

I know people don't like it and it's a short term fix, but everyone else seem to be taking advantage of this. Just saying like.

Tbf, in 15 years time we'll get the pick of the Polish anyway.

[Tilley]

This homegrown rule is bullshit, Nicklas Bendtner qualifies for fuck sakes.

Should have to have 6 English, not British, ENGLISH players in your starting XI. If we don't, English football is going to get even worse.

[Webbo]

Chris Waddle.

[lildave3]

Chris Waddle.

Tbh Webbo, I know he was decent in his day but future England star? Can't see it myself.

[Webbo]

<_<

[Bugg]

Tbh Webbo, I know he was decent in his day but future England star? Can't see it myself.

[Bugg]

What about Andrew Driver at Hearts, I'm not sure whether he is a Scottish national now, but he is definatly English born and left footed which seems to be rare for English wingers.

Edit - Just checked on wiki, and he is confirmed as a Scottish player now, nevermind, we've still got Adam Johnson

[Dames]

What about Andrew Driver at Hearts, I'm not sure whether he is a Scottish national now, but he is definatly English born and left footed which seems to be rare for English wingers.

Edit - Just checked on wiki, and he is confirmed as a Scottish player now, nevermind, we've still got Adam Johnson

And Stuart Downing if he pulls his finger out.

[jonthefox]

Any chance of us naturalising some Brazilians, Ghanaians and Polish players?

germany did it. half thier team was born in poland.

[Bugg]

germany did it. half thier team was born in poland.

Woooooooooooosh!!

[marbelladave]

The problem with this approach and it wont happen is that after a single friendly against Hungary - August 11th we're straight into the Euro 2012 qualifiers in September when we play Bulgaria on the 3rd and Switzerland on the 7th

So are you suggesting that a young side along the lines of that shown above will not be able to beat Bulgaria and Switzerland...

But no, you are right, it won't happen because no-one at the FA / Team England have any balls.

Anyway the sponsors would not much like it if their beloved 'Wazza' and 'Stevie G' were not trotted out to the adoration of the easily impressed...

[davieG]

So are you suggesting that a young side along the lines of that shown above will not be able to beat Bulgaria and Switzerland...

But no, you are right, it won't happen because no-one at the FA / Team England have any balls.

Anyway the sponsors would not much like it if their beloved 'Wazza' and 'Stevie G' were not trotted out to the adoration of the easily impressed...

Not at all I'm saying it wont happen and making even more certain that it wont is the upcoming qualifiers, as you say no one would have the balls not even Harry and Woy.

[marbelladave]

As I said before, the problem is not the players per se, it is the selection. We need to:

1) Identify HOW we want to play.

2) Identify the system and skills required.

3) Identify the best 2 players in each position.

4) Play the best in each position unless this is proven not to work. Then choose the next best option.

5) Identify future stars in each position and include / play them when possible in order to develop them.

The current system seems to be:

1) Ask FA / Sponsors / Media who has to be in the squad.

2) Look at squad and try an work out who to put where.

3) Ignore performances and continue to pick the core of "BEST" players wedging them in somewhere.

4) Ignore the next generatiom completely.

Are you well John? You're sounding more and more like me with every post, are we related?

Spot on none the less... :thumbup:

Only thing with blooding youngsters will be the reaction from the fans.

England fans exepect success now. I don't think they'll be patient enough as a collective to allow youngsters time to develop.

A few years ago I would have agreed, but the fans are now so fed up that they would be prepared to wait a while as long as time and effort is put in to getting it right.

The ****** will always complain, who cares?