FSF Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 Piece about the S****horpe banner from the FSF: http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/Fans-supporting-each-other-too-political-says-Leicester.php?id=
Liamlcfc1 Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 Stewards should encourage fans to get on with other clubs fans our would they rather us fight each other its nice to see two sets of fans backing each other for a change .
Ozwin Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 It is ****ing ridiculous, enough has been said about the stewarding at our club so this doesn't really suprise me.
m00nie Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 whilst the gesture was good and fans should be allowed to show their support to other groups i don't think too much should have been made about it imo.. you have only just been allowed to get your own section for the FB and allowed to put your own banner up. however wrong it seemed from the club, making statements and having more bad press isnt going to help the FB cause.. work to build the FB up first and dont be giving the club reasons to doubt its intentions..,
MattyFromLE Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 Argh! This countries "Health and Safety" regulations are pathetic!
Prospero Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 Whilst I would not dare to tell the Fosse Boys what they should or should not do, Moonie’s advice may be worth listening to, as it is the issue of ‘persistent’ standing that the club is most sensitive about. If you are able to stand now up at the back without too much hassle it may be better not to draw attention again and so soon to the issue. The decision to go for all seated stadiums was a political decision and it will take another political decision to modify it, so in that sense the club is right: it is a political issue and not one that it can change. Having said that I don't know what agreement you got and I do appreciate that you are entitled to express your views and I can’t see that you did any harm to the club.
Spencer Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 Argh! This countries "Health and Safety" regulations are pathetic! My ten year old brother isn't allowed to take hair wax on his school trip in case someone eats it...
Manwell Pablo Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 Whilst I would not dare to tell the Fosse Boys what they should or should not do, Moonie’s advice may be worth listening to, as it is the issue of ‘persistent’ standing that the club is most sensitive about. If you are able to stand now up at the back without too much hassle it may be better not to draw attention again and so soon to the issue. The decision to go for all seated stadiums was a political decision and it will take another political decision to modify it, so in that sense the club is right: it is a political issue and not one that it can change. Having said that I don't know what agreement you got and I do appreciate that you are entitled to express your views and I can’t see that you did any harm to the club. Correct it is very much a political issue, just because S****horpe United backs the campaign it does not deter from that fact, The Football League, The FA, and The Government do not and a banner backing one side is a political statement, denying this only makes you look stupid. Having said that I can hardly see what the problem is, it's hardly a burning political issue and even if it was, there were not any offensive opinions put across and we are suppose to live in a free country and have the right to air our views whenever we wish. If the EDL is allowed to march around Leicester on Saturday I can't see why a few lads can't back a campaign to keep standing areas in another stadium. Lets be honest, the club did not have the banners removed because of any political issues, the stewards probably looked up at the banner, put the 4 brain cells they have together and decided this was a message to the S****horpe fans to stand up whilst in the Walkers during our match against them and thus removed it (Not that this would stop them from standing, nor would the Stewards do anything if they did!) Typical out and out boneheadedness by the club/stewards, they've managed to make themselves look stupid in the media again, fair play to the Fosse Lads, if you keep making the club you stupid and ignorant every time it tries something like this hopefully eventually it stop and accept that the Walkers is our stadium.
Prospero Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 My ten year old brother isn't allowed to take hair wax on his school trip in case someone eats it... It is not the business of your brother's primary school to dictate what he can and cannot have in his sandwiches. Each to their own.
unreachable Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 whilst the gesture was good and fans should be allowed to show their support to other groups i don't think too much should have been made about it imo.. you have only just been allowed to get your own section for the FB and allowed to put your own banner up. however wrong it seemed from the club, making statements and having more bad press isnt going to help the FB cause.. work to build the FB up first and dont be giving the club reasons to doubt its intentions.., I agree.
MPH Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 whilst the gesture was good and fans should be allowed to show their support to other groups i don't think too much should have been made about it imo.. you have only just been allowed to get your own section for the FB and allowed to put your own banner up. however wrong it seemed from the club, making statements and having more bad press isnt going to help the FB cause.. work to build the FB up first and dont be giving the club reasons to doubt its intentions.., I do see your point... However,and this. IS NOT AIMED AT YOU.... Who the hell are these people to tell the Fosse boys who they can and can't support? Its not like s****horpe are trying to rip up seats and insert a standing area, they already have a standing area! As Manwell Pablo has already stated, if its not too political for the EDL to march through Leicester, or even not too political for muslims in london to carry banners saying death to westerners ( no one tried to take these banners from them). Then its just mind-numbingly stupid for anyone to say its 'too poliitacal' for a group of football fans to show support to other fans..... What next? Where will it take us? Just plain stupid..... Rant over :-)
Fosse Boy Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 We aren't trying to bring bad publicity on the club by any means, we love Leicester City. This bad publicity is being brought about by a minority of officials within the club who see fit to make these decisions with absolutely minimal justification. We were contacted by the FSF, a fantastic organisation by all accounts, who wished to run this story on their website. In the meeting we held with the club recently (at which Lee Hoos was present I might add) we were encouraged by the club to campaign for standing areas, as they said it was the fans' job, not theirs, to do so. At the first attempt by the group to make a display related to this, while also showing solidarity with another club and its fans in the process, we have been told that our stance is now "too political". So as you can see we're getting very mixed messages from certain individuals at the club. Obviously since the Reading incident we have been largely left unhassled by the club, who have also kindly provided us a space to hang our banner. However, this doesn't mean that we should let an unjustified decision of this magnitude against our group go by the by. When all's said and done, the idea that a banner such as the ones we displayed can be considered "too political" is utterly laughable, and should be brought to the attention of the wider public. Also I feel I should mention that the stewards are only acting under orders from those above them, and most who I've spoken to are actually on our side and are generally genuine City fans.
unreachable Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 I do see your point... However,and this. IS NOT AIMED AT YOU.... Who the hell are these people to tell the Fosse boys who they can and can't support? Its not like s****horpe are trying to rip up seats and insert a standing area, they already have a standing area! As Manwell Pablo has already stated, if its not too political for the EDL to march through Leicester, or even not too political for muslims in london to carry banners saying death to westerners ( no one tried to take these banners from them). Then its just mind-numbingly stupid for anyone to say its 'too poliitacal' for a group of football fans to show support to other fans..... What next? Where will it take us? Just plain stupid..... Rant over :-) The EDL march was yesterday banned by the Home Secretary
MattyFromLE Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 My ten year old brother isn't allowed to take hair wax on his school trip in case someone eats it... I was ID'd in tesco's to buy plastic knifes and forks...also, i was ID'd buying an air horn - because they are loud...
unreachable Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 an unjustified decision of this magnitude Come on! Are you really being serious?
unreachable Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 We aren't trying to bring bad publicity on the club by any means, we love Leicester City. This bad publicity is being brought about by a minority of officials within the club who see fit to make these decisions with absolutely minimal justification. We were contacted by the FSF, a fantastic organisation by all accounts, who wished to run this story on their website. In the meeting we held with the club recently (at which Lee Hoos was present I might add) we were encouraged by the club to campaign for standing areas, as they said it was the fans' job, not theirs, to do so. At the first attempt by the group to make a display related to this, while also showing solidarity with another club and its fans in the process, we have been told that our stance is now "too political". So as you can see we're getting very mixed messages from certain individuals at the club. Obviously since the Reading incident we have been largely left unhassled by the club, who have also kindly provided us a space to hang our banner. However, this doesn't mean that we should let an unjustified decision of this magnitude against our group go by the by. When all's said and done, the idea that a banner such as the ones we displayed can be considered "too political" is utterly laughable, and should be brought to the attention of the wider public. Also I feel I should mention that the stewards are only acting under orders from those above them, and most who I've spoken to are actually on our side and are generally genuine City fans. You know that the issue of standing is a sensitive one and an issue which you had not reached an agreement with the club – so why publicise the point and make it difficult for the club to turn a blind eye to the current tolerance of your ability to stand? I doubt whether Lee Hoos would have expected a public demonstration within the ground concerning standing and would have thought that you would support the FSF campaign or talk to the Football Licensing Authority.
Jackirius Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 I was ID'd in tesco's to buy plastic knifes and forks...also, i was ID'd buying an air horn - because they are loud... Air horns are loud? I thought you would have been ID'd because you can hit someone with the casing.
1964FOX Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 You know that the issue of standing is a sensitive one and an issue which you had not reached an agreement with the club – so why publicise the point and make it difficult for the club to turn a blind eye to the current tolerance of your ability to stand? I doubt whether Lee Hoos would have expected a public demonstration within the ground concerning standing and would have thought that you would support the FSF campaign or talk to the Football Licensing Authority. Done both of these.
unreachable Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 Done both of these. What did the Football Licensing Authority say?
Dom_Harborough Fox Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 You know that the issue of standing is a sensitive one and an issue which you had not reached an agreement with the club – so why publicise the point and make it difficult for the club to turn a blind eye to the current tolerance of your ability to stand? I doubt whether Lee Hoos would have expected a public demonstration within the ground concerning standing and would have thought that you would support the FSF campaign or talk to the Football Licensing Authority. Good points well made. Personally, I think the stewards have been very tolerant towards us in the last 3 games and have left us to get on with things, which I think has led to a better matchday experience for everyone concerned. That is certainly the feeling I have got from speaking to other members of the group as well but they might want to confirm/deny that themselves. As for the banner, I see your point about drawing unnecessary attention to the fact that we stand at matches, possibly making life more difficult for ourselves. However, I think this point would be more justified if we had displayed a banner saying 'let us stand' or something along those lines. The fact is, we were backing a campaign for another club. The banner was not aimed at officials at our club to get them to let us stand, it was just a message of support for the S****horpe fans, saying, we back you in what you are trying to achieve. The majority of people who are familiar with the 'Keep S****horpe Standing' campaign seem to acknowledge that making the club remove a terrace and replace it with seating, reducing the ground's capacity in the process, just because they have been in the Championship for 3 years, is pointless. We, as a group, support the S****horpe fans' campaign and we just wanted them to know that. I think a little common sense has to be applied in situations like this. The banner was not offensive, or even meant as a political message to the officials of our own club. I think it would possibly have attracted less attention had the club allowed us to hold it up for 5-10 minutes before kick-off as originally planned, than by telling us to take it down and having to deal with the aftermath.
Dom_Harborough Fox Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 Sorry if that link to the Keep S****horpe Standing campaign doesn't work by the way. I think it might be because it starred out the word **** in the address. I'm rubbish with computer stuff so don't know how to get round it but if you want to look for the campaign then I suggest you search for it on google, or facebook or go to the fsf homepage and try to find it from there.
m00nie Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 We aren't trying to bring bad publicity on the club by any means, we love Leicester City. This bad publicity is being brought about by a minority of officials within the club who see fit to make these decisions with absolutely minimal justification. We were contacted by the FSF, a fantastic organisation by all accounts, who wished to run this story on their website. In the meeting we held with the club recently (at which Lee Hoos was present I might add) we were encouraged by the club to campaign for standing areas, as they said it was the fans' job, not theirs, to do so. At the first attempt by the group to make a display related to this, while also showing solidarity with another club and its fans in the process, we have been told that our stance is now "too political". So as you can see we're getting very mixed messages from certain individuals at the club. Obviously since the Reading incident we have been largely left unhassled by the club, who have also kindly provided us a space to hang our banner. However, this doesn't mean that we should let an unjustified decision of this magnitude against our group go by the by. When all's said and done, the idea that a banner such as the ones we displayed can be considered "too political" is utterly laughable, and should be brought to the attention of the wider public. Also I feel I should mention that the stewards are only acting under orders from those above them, and most who I've spoken to are actually on our side and are generally genuine City fans. the FSF must have been notified somehow. probably from people reading the comments on here about it.. so whilst the intentions are not to bring bad publicity speaking out at decisions that you dont agree with every time is going to attract more publicity which ends in a bad name for the group. keep challenging the decisions however laughable you think it is wont help the FB group if its leaving negative press on the club all the time.. you dont want to alienate yourselfs and turn it into a them and us thing.. especially fighting for a cause that isnt even your own..
Fez of Mahrez Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 The steward nearest us walked away shaking his head and saying it was "ridiculous" of the club.
1964FOX Posted 5 October 2010 Posted 5 October 2010 What did the Football Licensing Authority say? As negotiations with the club are at a delicate stage and the content of the reply from the FLA may be used to assist those negotiations I'll defer letting people know for the time being if that's ok.
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