Guest Bilo Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 The reason why the atmosphere is so flat at the Walkers and other places is because it is no longer a young adults/working class sport. It is now family orientated and many lads who used to go can now no longer afford to go / refuse to pay the exorbitant amounts that it costs to go to a game. Add to this the fact that most of the new stadia do not hold noise in it will never be as it was 20-30 years ago. As for standing up for yourselves, the club quite clearly said they would not have a problem with you going to L1 and continuing to stand yet you refused. That is not adapting is it? I suspect that the real reason you guys do not want to go in to L1 is because most in there would not join in with you. Most of us had season tickets in L1 and moved away from there for the simple reason that the group would never have gotten off the ground in there. We don't want to be exclusive to season ticket holders, we want as many people as possible to join us. The ST only L1 requires a big financial commitment whereas you can get into the Kop and stand with us for about £20. There are also plenty of empty seats around us to enable us to grow, whereas L1 is always full. Also, L1 attracts more of the type of fan into the Who Are Ya mentality which we don't subscribe to. The offer to move us into L1 was nothing other than an attempt by the club to kill us off by stealth.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Most of us had season tickets in L1 and moved away from there for the simple reason that the group would never have gotten off the ground in there. We don't want to be exclusive to season ticket holders, we want as many people as possible to join us. The ST only L1 requires a big financial commitment whereas you can get into the Kop and stand with us for about £20. There are also plenty of empty seats around us to enable us to grow, whereas L1 is always full. Also, L1 attracts more of the type of fan into the Who Are Ya mentality which we don't subscribe to. The offer to move us into L1 was nothing other than an attempt by the club to kill us off by stealth. I can guarantee that the atmosphere created in the 80's and 90's was predominantly created by people who had a "Who are ya" menatality. Of course the away fans were next to the kop in those days at Filbo. Two sets of fans trying to out do each other is what made it. Still I am sure you guys know what you are doing.....
Guest Bilo Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 I can guarantee that the atmosphere created in the 80's and 90's was predominantly created by people who had a "Who are ya" menatality. Of course the away fans were next to the kop in those days at Filbo. Two sets of fans trying to out do each other is what made it. Still I am sure you guys know what you are doing..... By 'who are ya' mentality I mean the kind of fan who spends more time abusing the away fans than trying to outsing them with their own songs. L1 suffers for originality as a result, not at all like the old Kop at Filbert Street where we developed a genuinely witty series of chants.
Poakey Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 The reason why the atmosphere is so flat at the Walkers and other places is because it is no longer a young adults/working class sport. It is now family orientated and many lads who used to go can now no longer afford to go / refuse to pay the exorbitant amounts that it costs to go to a game. Add to this the fact that most of the new stadia do not hold noise in it will never be as it was 20-30 years ago. Football will certainly not be changing back because a few fans pine for the good old days. Football is a business and the people running it know that there is more money to be made from families than pigeon holing themselves to lads in their late teens to late 20's. Whether this is right or wrong does not matter. That is called progress. As for standing up for yourselves, the club quite clearly said they would not have a problem with you going to L1 and continuing to stand yet you refused. That is not adapting is it? I suspect that the real reason you guys do not want to go in to L1 is because most in there would not join in with you. L1 do what they want to do,FosseBoys do what they want to do, What's the big deal?
Finnegan Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 On the Abe song about eating Alsatians, it isn't funny to sing a song making an (actually false as the Japanese don't eat dogs) slur against your own player's ethnicity. I for one imagine Abe would be offended if he knew that's the kind of song being sung about him. Why not knock ourselves out? Why not sing about Andy King shagging sheep and Tunchev being a refugee? Oh hang on, we've already done the second one. The song might not be intended to be anti-Japanese and I'm sure some will see it as banter, but we aren't the only ones who want to see chants like that gone. I've seen people who have nothing to do with the Fosse Boys saying they don't like it either on more than one thread on here. :appl: :appl: I've fuck all to do with the Fosse Boys and while I commend their end goal and wish them all the best I personally think the whole jumping up and down, waving scarves, European approach looks a bit cringey and out of place in English stadiums. But I'd rather buy a Forest season ticket than stand and sing racist songs - let alone stupid, incorrect racist songs aimed at our own fucking players.
Guest Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Of course the way their fans behaved was inexcusable, and schadenfreude towards Portsmouth is perhaps understandable from our point of view. But as you say, they weren't the only fans who were calling us every name under the sun. More or less every club was calling for a 10 point deduction and it's because of us that that is now the penalty for going into administration in the Football League. Does that mean that I shouldn't give two hoots about any club on the verge of bankruptcy that happened to have fans and a board that queued up to condemn us in 2002? Perhaps I'm too much of a soft fan in the sense that I empathise with other clubs having known full well how it felt to think that I wouldn't have a club to support if an investor didn't come in. We were lucky, it appears Portsmouth have been as well now, but one day a club won't be and will go under. That club could be Stockport, it could be Accrington, hell it could even be us if the Thais get bored or run out of baht. I find it bloody terrifying because one day the bottom will fall out of this game and who knows'll be the casualty. There are numerous clubs for whom I have more affection than Pompey to be honest, and I desperately wanted to see them knocked off their perch while in the Premier League, but I couldn't wish bankruptcy and the loss of a football club on a set of fans. Not even Forest or Derby. First of all, Rob, I don't wish any club to fold. I don't have to be sympathetic about it though. There's a distinction. Modern football is a time bomb waiting to go off. There are bigger clubs than ours that are there waiting to implode. Until one of those do, nothing is going to happen. You can sing, and jump up and down all you like, the situation isn't going to change, especially while last minute solutions always seem to happen (ooh, hasn't this happened before...). Rather than worry about other clubs, I am more concerned that Milan hasn't sold us down the river. Because if we end up being the club that goes bust, we are going to get no sympathy from anyone. We are going to have everyone saying it should have happened the first time. You can't compare financial crises between two different clubs from two different backgrounds. Not every situation is the same. There is an element of mismanagement involved in all cases, but the degrees vary. That's just the start. Most lower division clubs are suffering because of the way that modern football has developed. Clubs that have been in the Premiership usually suffer because they've spent beyond their means. To give a real life example: would you feel sorry for a person who had just been served a warrant for possession on their home, has bailiffs chasing council tax bills, owes over £15,000 on credit and store cards, and turns up to seek advice from you whilst having perfectly manicured nails, and designer clothes? On the other hand, what about the local small business owner, who used to make a comfortable living selling his goods to bigger businesses, but is now unable to make ends meet because his customers are able to source cheaper products from abroad? That's what comparing Pompey to the likes of Stockport and Accrington is. The Swansea post match thread isn't the right place to discuss the problems with modern football. I have barely scratched the surface, there is much more to discuss, and I haven't really got the time to post properly on here these days, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't respond. I hope you and the other FBs don't take it personally as this is just my opinion; I would rather focus my attention on supporting and worrying about my own team.
Iwan is a Welshman Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 I'm in full support of what the Fosse Boys are doing, I think anything which boosts the atmosphere at a City game is fantastic. I'll sing my heart out with anyone providing they're a fox. I'd just suggest though, and I appreciate a lot of the time your defending yourselves, but avoiding criticising other fans. I want to see you lot catch on, it can only be good for the club, but having a go at people for singing the Yuki chant etc won't go down well. People can sing what they want to sing and if you don't like it, don't sing it. It's certainly not a racist chant, nor should it's factual basis matter (from what I've been told they don't eat dogs in neighbouring Korea either anyway.) I stand in L1 as a season ticket holder and just as you lot shouldn't be dismissed by others fans neither should anybody else. We're all trying to achieve the same thing here, there's no need for in-fighting. I can apprecite too why pro-Pompey chants would have opened up some old wounds. I was too young to be around at the time but I've heard plenty of horror stories from awaydays down there in the 80's and early 90's. They never have liked us much. That being said, I share your sentiment on not wanting to see any club go out of business, whether it's Pompey, or even F*****t or D****y. Keep up the good work anyway lads.
Guest Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Really? You believe that anyone who has sung that song is ignorant? You guys like to sing Iwan is a Welshman don't you? Not all Welsh people live in a council house you know. Racists. As 'Kokopops said, suggesting that the Japanese eat dogs is like saying we eat horse or frog's legs. You might find it funny, but I find it ignorant. As for the council flat, it is actually a line from the original song. It wasn't made up, y'know, out of the blue for comic effect.
Finnegan Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 . It's certainly not a racist chant, nor should it's factual basis matter With the greatest respect, double-you-tee-eff. PS: As a Welshman I do not find it in any way offensive to imply that one of my national heroes may reside with Julian Joachim in public housing. I can confirm, however, that my numerous Japanese friends would be absolutely mortified if you called them dog eaters (and probably somewhat confused.)
Iwan is a Welshman Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 With the greatest respect, double-you-tee-eff. PS: As a Welshman I do not find it in any way offensive to imply that one of my national heroes may reside with Julian Joachim in public housing. I can confirm, however, that my numerous Japanese friends would be absolutely mortified if you called them dog eaters (and probably somewhat confused.) It wasn't me who compared the chant with the Iwan chant. That was another poster. I understand your point, just have to agree to disagree I'm afraid. The point of my post was to make the point that people should try to avoid criticising others fans unless there's a really good reason. I don't think the Yuki chant provides that. It's clearly to the taste of some and not to others. That's all.
Finnegan Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Making racially prejudiced (and completely factually inaccurate to the point of being amazingly stupid) songs is most definitely a "good reason" to criticise your fellow supporters. They're just copying Manchester United because they've seen their supporters singing the same thing about an Asian footballer and have been too fucking retarded to make the distinction. That's actually the bit that offends me the most - if he actually WAS Korean it would still bother me but largely I'd just roll my eyes and ignore it. The fact that he isn't and that there's a MASSIVE cultural difference that people are just blithely ignoring out of sheer ignorance is hugely disrespectful and, yes, completely fucking racist.
Guest Bilo Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 First of all, Rob, I don't wish any club to fold. I don't have to be sympathetic about it though. There's a distinction. Modern football is a time bomb waiting to go off. There are bigger clubs than ours that are there waiting to implode. Until one of those do, nothing is going to happen. You can sing, and jump up and down all you like, the situation isn't going to change, especially while last minute solutions always seem to happen (ooh, hasn't this happened before...). Rather than worry about other clubs, I am more concerned that Milan hasn't sold us down the river. Because if we end up being the club that goes bust, we are going to get no sympathy from anyone. We are going to have everyone saying it should have happened the first time. You can't compare financial crises between two different clubs from two different backgrounds. Not every situation is the same. There is an element of mismanagement involved in all cases, but the degrees vary. That's just the start. Most lower division clubs are suffering because of the way that modern football has developed. Clubs that have been in the Premiership usually suffer because they've spent beyond their means. To give a real life example: would you feel sorry for a person who had just been served a warrant for possession on their home, has bailiffs chasing council tax bills, owes over £15,000 on credit and store cards, and turns up to seek advice from you whilst having perfectly manicured nails, and designer clothes? On the other hand, what about the local small business owner, who used to make a comfortable living selling his goods to bigger businesses, but is now unable to make ends meet because his customers are able to source cheaper products from abroad? That's what comparing Pompey to the likes of Stockport and Accrington is. The Swansea post match thread isn't the right place to discuss the problems with modern football. I have barely scratched the surface, there is much more to discuss, and I haven't really got the time to post properly on here these days, so you'll have to forgive me if I don't respond. I hope you and the other FBs don't take it personally as this is just my opinion; I would rather focus my attention on supporting and worrying about my own team. First of all, I apologise for insinuating you wished Pompey bust. It was more of a reaction to other posts. Well, that and beer. But as you say, this isn't the right place to discuss all that is wrong with English football. As I say, we've taken the views of fans more sensible and intelligent than that idiot yesterday on board and fully appreciate them.
unreachable Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 It's rather unpleasant to read that some posters think it appropriate to call their own fellow supporters "absolute ******" "utter pricks" "not up for it" etc. and then talk about solidarity for another club's fans. Isn't there some inconsistency when little respect is shown for your own club's supporters. Football is an expensive pastime and if people choose to sit down or not sing or drink from flasks or sit in the West Stand or not jump up and down or not wave flags then that is up to them. I appreciate what marbelladave says since on occasions I have chosen to get a seat with a better view than away supporters get - I prefer a seat at medium height towards the centre line instead of a distorted view in one corner of the ground. Does that make me a bad fan or not a "proper fan"? My predominant reason for going to a match is to watch the football and take pleasure (or not) out of the team's performance. The whole "away day experience" doesn't really interest me. I would rather see my team win than have a day singing and bouncing up and down. That's my personal taste which I am entitled to hold. I support the club by putting money in its coffers at the Walkers Stadium by buying a season ticket and car parking ticket and enjoy the comfort of the First Floor hospitality in the Great Hall/Keith Weller Suite. I'm tired of reading that you can only be a "proper fan" by standing and singing. I did that in my day but time has marched on and I simply can't stand and sing for the whole match. Fans do get older and you can't continue to support the team in the same way as you did in your youth. Just stand back and have some tolerance of how other fans wish to support the club and not take such an arrogant and self righteous stand against supporters who have different views. The Fosse Boys and other supporters can do what they like so long as other supporters are free to support the club in the way that they choose to do.
Guest Bilo Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 I've stuck him on ignore but I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the most appropriate response to unreachable's post is, as ever, this.
unreachable Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 I've stuck him on ignore but I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the most appropriate response to unreachable's post is, as ever, this. You know I'm really your guilty pleasure.
Finnegan Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 I've stuck him on ignore but I'm going to stick my neck out and say that the most appropriate response to unreachable's post is, as ever, this. It would be a reasonable post if it weren't for his history of blatant WUMing in regards the Fosse Boys.
unreachable Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 It would be a reasonable post if it weren't for his history of blatant WUMing in regards the Fosse Boys. You are confusing being a WUM with having an honestly held opinion.
Finnegan Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 You are confusing being a WUM with having an honestly held opinion. ok.
maddog Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Is anyone else finding SGE post match interviews absolutely fantastic. I've agreed with every single word so far, it's like he says what all the fans are thinking. He isn't bitter is very respectful and doesn't talk in riddles like Sousa did either. We are lucky to have him. This is a slightly annoying result, it would have been nice to just stolen a point out of nowhere BUT it was a very tough match. Our next League fixtures are all winnable, you all know who we've got but i will type it anyway Preston, Sheff U, Derby, Forest, Donny all at home and Barnsley, Bristol City and Watford all away in the next 8 games. If we can click at home we will win some of those. Bristol are bottom, we always win at Barnsley. Watford is the toughest one coming up but thats not until early December. All in all feeling quietly confident that we will continue to make progress up the table. Lets just hope something mental doesn't happen like Sven leaving And the small matter of WBA next in the cup to savour. A nice test, i think we will beat them at home. Again you all know this aswell but WBA have got Blackpool in the Premier League after the cup game, yes they're riding high currently in the table and Blackpool are doing well, but you would still maybe class those as relegation candidates at this early stage in the season, so they won't want to risk anything stupid at our place before that one.
Karljohn Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Agreed Maddog, Sven post match is a good listen, even better now we can actually understand what our manager is saying.
Messi Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Nothing to do with the match, but stayed over in Swansea last night (amazing), and had a taxi driver who knew Jack Hobbs, this taxi driver used to be an agent and he said he know Hobbs from when he was a kid at Liverpool. He has met up with him in the morning of the match, and shown me a text from Hobbs saying we didn't deserve to win, which we didn't. Anyway, he was telling me that Hobbs didn't want to go on tour but he had one of the best times of his life out there, he said that Hobbs would have preferred to stay in England with things not working on the pitch. The new owners are like Alan Sugar of Thailand he was telling me, all the players got suited and booted and got free bars everynight. And hopefully won't get him in trouble here but Hobbs had told the taxi driver that not one single player liked PS, which was pretty obvious anyway Unfortunately, I couldn't persuade him to give me Hobbs' number Apart from the City score, had a top weekend
Messi Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 He was only doing the taxi driving to bring extra income in because he cares for his brother who has, unfortunately got MS.
Finnegan Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 He was only doing the taxi driving to bring extra income in because he cares for his brother who has, unfortunately got MS. Fuck me, how long was this taxi ride?
lcfc_jme Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Dorus de Vries. Poor result but then it's an extremely difficult place to go. Important to bounce back immediately and learn from our mistakes.
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