Swansea Post Match.

[Narborough_fox]

Funny though... we had 5 shots on target to there 3.

[Shrenchel]

Was always always going to be shit atmosphere. You can't go on an away day like that nowadays and expect anything else other than just being able to watch the game. Not even worth moaning about anymore.

[rabbid]

bit of an over-reaction to us showing solidarity with Pompey fans who so far as we aware were facing bankruptcy.

Course we would! It's not about who the team is (I have no feelings either way towards Pompey) but I'd have stood and sung for Forest/Derby/Cov/Histon/Hinckley etc if they were on the verge of going out of business. I don't want to see ANY team go out of existence.

they arnt going out of business and they never were and you look pretty stupid for sucking in the news storys.

maybe if you were proper fans youwd sing for the team rather some one else.

You were annoing in wales and your keeping it up on the internet

[AmyLGK]

so I've had visitors over all day and night - please can someone paraphrase the match for me??!!

[Wymsey]

so I've had visitors over all day and night - please can someone paraphrase the match for me??!!

WE WERE SHIT. That's it basically. hope it helps

[AmyLGK]

WE WERE SHIT. That's it basically. hope it helps

Cheers hun I'm too drunk to read what went on....but shit what the hell went wrong!

[Ilkeston_Fox]

they arnt going out of business and they never were and you look pretty stupid for sucking in the news storys.

maybe if you were proper fans youwd sing for the team rather some one else.

You were annoing in wales and your keeping it up on the internet

Sure you will get over it.

Maybe if there were more 'proper' fans there would have been more noise to drown out 20 people signing stand up for Pompey. But no, silence.

One of the worst away days for atmosphere I've ever experienced as a City fan.

[RoyFox]

I've seen it all, our own fans (almost) scrapping today - ITS ONLY A GAME

I learnt a long time ago, that you shouldn't take the game so seriously - I could not believe my eyes

There's plenty more things to worry about in life, you can't REALLY influence what goes on the pitch, but you can influence your own life......

If I had to side with anyone, I would the Fosse boys - what's wrong with supporting football? Fair credit, so what if Pompey were down on us before, what's wrong with breaking the trend and being positive???

You'll find the most successful and content people in life are positive generally, I suggest some of us give it a go - I did a few years back, man it works!

[Dan]

I've had a few to drink so I'll keep this brief at risk of offending.

Some of our fans are pricks. Total, utter pricks. One of the worst away days for standing up and getting behind the team. We may have been shit, but we were shit at Palace as well and our fans were fucking excellent there. Where have those fans gone? Instead they're replaced by people who attack their fellow fans for showing solidarity with another set of fans who are about to lose their club.

On the pitch, we were shit. No fight, no passion and second to every ball. We were torn to shreds by Swansea who just had far too much pace for us.

Their fans were shit. Quiet as lambs.

The referee was shit, for both sides as well. Missed horrendous fouls all over the field.

Everything about the game though was bloody excellent today.

Absolute 100% this. Worst away end in a long time, simply embarrassed.

Oh and the performance, absolutely shocking.

[Geordie]

This supporting Pompey thing. There will be some of you on here not even out of nappies or were born when we went down there in 1993 for a play-off semi final second leg.

We beat them on aggregate and at the end of the game their fans spilled on to the pitch to applaud our fans. That was a con as outside rocks etc... were coming over from the alley at the back, fans and people not even at the game were gathering halfway up the street en-masse. As soon as the gates opned they charged, the police and stewards did nothing, men, women and children got battered, absolutely mugged by the people of Pompey.

Leicester cars got overturned and smashed up, one bloke was knocked unconcious on a petrol station forecourt and a Pompey fan got turned over for trying to help him, I as a 15 year old ended up in shop doorway with boots and fists raining down on me from growling snarling meatheads.

You combine that to what Lisa says about our time in administration, then you have a set of fans that deserve sod all support from us, it would have made my day if those evil sadistic horrors had gone bust.

I would imagine yesterday some misguided yerths singing Pompey songs opened up some old wounds for some fellow supporters.

[Ajax Treesdown]

This supporting Pompey thing. There will be some of you on here not even out of nappies or were born when we went down there in 1993 for a play-off semi final second leg.

We beat them on aggregate and at the end of the game their fans spilled on to the pitch to applaud our fans. That was a con as outside rocks etc... were coming over from the alley at the back, fans and people not even at the game were gathering halfway up the street en-masse. As soon as the gates opned they charged, the police and stewards did nothing, men, women and children got battered, absolutely mugged by the people of Pompey.

Leicester cars got overturned and smashed up, one bloke was knocked unconcious on a petrol station forecourt and a Pompey fan got turned over for trying to help him, I as a 15 year old ended up in shop doorway with boots and fists raining down on me from growling snarling meatheads.

You combine that to what Lisa says about our time in administration, then you have a set of fans that deserve sod all support from us, it would have made my day if those evil sadistic horrors had gone bust.

I would imagine yesterday some misguided yerths singing Pompey songs opened up some old wounds for some fellow supporters.

That serves long in my memory.........fooking hate Portsmouth an always will

[the_foxes_till_i_die]

Hey geordie i can see where your coming from. i agree with supporting the other club in times like this its not fair on any team (well the fans) but in this case i agree with you. see im only 25 so dont know anything about 1993. Glad i didnt make the trip yesterday sounded like a very bad day out

[Ashby]

Throughout this season we have changed the back 5 for almost every game. So far we have used 3 keepers, 3 or 4 right backs, cant remember if Morrison has played there yet this season, 3 left backs and it must be at least 6 different players at centre back. How can the defence with so many changes fromgame to game hope to play as a unit. You need to get used to playing along side someone, know how they play, what hey may do in a particular situation so its no wonder we have conceeded so many goals.

A number of supporters have been complaining about hoof ball. Unless the back four have those in midfield showing for the ball and giving options what do you do - play it long. The long ball can be good get out option but during the Swansea game as soon as it was in the air our small forwards had little hope of winning it.

The difference from the Leeds game to the Swansea game is hard to explain. If play like we did at Leeds we would be a good bet for the playoffs however if we play like we did yesterday it will be a long season.

Sven has been with the team for only a short period and will need to have a good look at hte players not only during training but in games as well We have to be a little patient and hopefully when we start playing with a settled side we will gain the consistancy we need to help push us up the league.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

they arnt going out of business and they never were and you look pretty stupid for sucking in the news storys.

maybe if you were proper fans youwd sing for the team rather some one else.

You were annoing in wales and your keeping it up on the internet

If you are going to have a go at people (including calling people thick in a previous post) perhaps you should try to write in English if you want to be taken seriously.

[1964FOX]

I am old enough to remember that awful occasion in Portsmouth that Geordie refers about and know some people who were caught up in it. I do understand why some fans would not like the support shown to Pompey. If any of our fans had walked over to us and said they did not like it because of those memories then I would undoubtedly supported my fellow Leicester City fan and stopped the chant. Unfortunately the reaction was overly aggresive and threatening to fellow fans including the accusation we were not good fans and we should sing songs for our own team. This was strange as for large portions of the match we were the only ones singing Leicester songs.

However I am a Leicester City fan and my personal apology goes to ANY Leicester City fan I may have upset by joining in a chant that may have brought back for them bad memories. In respect to these people and to show solidarity to the feelings of my fellow Leicester City fans I will personally NOT be singing any chant in favour of Portsmouth at any future game.

[Fosse Boy]

Sod the Carling Cup - waste of time - need to concentrate on the league.

Yes, the idea of wanting your own team to win silverware is just plain daft.

Odd game this one. Like someone said earlier, bit similar to how Burnley was. You just sort of knew we weren't going to coming out on top.

First half thoroughly enjoyed myself, good twenty-odd up for it, bouncing and singing. Exhausted the songbook.

In hindsight, was "Stand Up for Pompey" a bad idea? Maybe, maybe not. Don't want to sound "holier than thou" here, but it's gonna need fans in this country to turn the other cheek a bit and unite if we ever want to reclaim our game. Was just trying to raise some awareness and show solidarity with another club's fans. Next time I'll just keep my gob shot like the rest of the stand did though.

As for the geezer who went off on one and tried to attack us...

To be honest chap your rant which went something like "YERSHUDBESINGUNFURLESTUR" was ever so slightly misplaced given that that's what we'd been doing for the whole first half, and it's not like anyone else was making an effort. I also noticed you were stood in silence for just about the whole second half so well done, really proved your point well didn't you.

As for the bizarre comment we got from another bloke who said we were killing the atmosphere? Well, like I say, we WERE the atmosphere. You want to stop us from "killing" it, you'll just have to sing a bit louder.

As for the Yuki Alstation-eating chant, well that deserves a Griffin:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsf8LnThk5Y

but in fiarness it iz wl funy cuz hiz eyez r lyk slitz n dat.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Yes, the idea of wanting your own team to win silverware is just plain daft.

Odd game this one. Like someone said earlier, bit similar to how Burnley was. You just sort of knew we weren't going to coming out on top.

First half thoroughly enjoyed myself, good twenty-odd up for it, bouncing and singing. Exhausted the songbook.

In hindsight, was "Stand Up for Pompey" a bad idea? Maybe, maybe not. Don't want to sound "holier than thou" here, but it's gonna need fans in this country to turn the other cheek a bit and unite if we ever want to reclaim our game. Was just trying to raise some awareness and show solidarity with another club's fans. Next time I'll just keep my gob shot like the rest of the stand did though.

As for the geezer who went off on one and tried to attack us...

To be honest chap your rant which went something like "YERSHUDBESINGUNFURLESTUR" was ever so slightly misplaced given that that's what we'd been doing for the whole first half, and it's not like anyone else was making an effort. I also noticed you were stood in silence for just about the whole second half so well done, really proved your point well didn't you.

As for the bizarre comment we got from another bloke who said we were killing the atmosphere? Well, like I say, we WERE the atmosphere. You want to stop us from "killing" it, you'll just have to sing a bit louder.

As for the Yuki Alstation-eating chant, well that deserves a Griffin:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsf8LnThk5Y

but in fiarness it iz wl funy cuz hiz eyez r lyk slitz n dat.

When you say things like we are the atmosphere in a way that suggests you are a) a better Leicester fan and b) a better football fan, all you are doing is alienating yourselves further from the people you want to join with you.

To suggest that people are racist because of a made up song about Abe is ridiculous. It's a song ffs, not intended to be anti fooking Japanese.

Why is singing a song about Portsmouth going to help save them? It is becoming clear to me the problem is that the Fosse Boys seem to think they are the saviours of British football when infact you are trying to turn it into some kind of diluted European experience. A lot of the people you belittle and berate for not singing YOUR songs were singing for Leicester in proper atmospheres whilst you guys were still in nappies. No matter how much you want to, you will never recreate the atmospheres of the past.

Perhaps people do not join in because they find your cliquey chants confusing, pointless and cringeworthy. Your arrogance will see the Fosse Boys doomed to failure unless you are willing to adapt. I doubt that will happen though as you expect every one to dance to your tune straight away (the club included) and throw your toys out of the pram when you do not get your own way.

[Fosse Boy]

When you say things like we are the atmosphere in a way that suggests you are a) a better Leicester fan and b) a better football fan, all you are doing is alienating yourselves further from the people you want to join with you.

Far from it. Purely stating fact. The only people singing yesterday were the group around us.

To suggest that people are racist because of a made up song about Abe is ridiculous. It's a song ffs, not intended to be anti fooking Japanese.

Well, if not racist it's certainly blindingly ignorant. Not exactly the wittiest thing I've ever heard either.

Why is singing a song about Portsmouth going to help save them? It is becoming clear to me the problem is that the Fosse Boys seem to think they are the saviours of British football when infact you are trying to turn it into some kind of diluted European experience. A lot of the people you belittle and berate for not singing YOUR songs were singing for Leicester in proper atmospheres whilst you guys were still in nappies. No matter how much you want to, you will never recreate the atmospheres of the past.

Perhaps people do not join in because they find your cliquey chants confusing, pointless and cringeworthy. Your arrogance will see the Fosse Boys doomed to failure unless you are willing to adapt. I doubt that will happen though as you expect every one to dance to your tune straight away (the club included) and throw your toys out of the pram when you do not get your own way.

I'll take it from that post you weren't at the game. We were singing traditional Leicester songs for just about the entire match.

[purpleronnie]

Don't want to go on about this but I read at the leeds game leicester almost to a man (and woman) sat, but was told this was because the OTT stewards, but I have just read on SUSD that very few leicester stood at swansea despite very relaxed stewards. I'm back in england next week and was thinking about going to away games, is this small amount of standing usual?

[Karljohn]

Perhaps if Pompey fans had shown some solidarity when we were in the mire, instead of accusing our club of being cheats, calling for points deductions, automatic relegation and winding up orders, I (for one) would be more sympathetic. Maybe if Pompey fans didn't inundate our messageboard to tell us this at the time, I wouldn't be thinking "what goes around, comes around". Especially seeing as their owner at the time hadn't bought the club for a quid when they themselves were in administration just a couple of years before....

What's happening on the south coast is sad for football as a whole, but please don't expect me to join in a show of solidarity with fans who wanted my club to disappear 8 years ago.

Well said, some of us are old enough to remember the kicking we got outside Fratton Park aswell in 92/93 Play Offs 2nd leg, and they were not just targeting the guys that night, women and kids were pushed around.

[Karljohn]

This supporting Pompey thing. There will be some of you on here not even out of nappies or were born when we went down there in 1993 for a play-off semi final second leg.

We beat them on aggregate and at the end of the game their fans spilled on to the pitch to applaud our fans. That was a con as outside rocks etc... were coming over from the alley at the back, fans and people not even at the game were gathering halfway up the street en-masse. As soon as the gates opned they charged, the police and stewards did nothing, men, women and children got battered, absolutely mugged by the people of Pompey.

Leicester cars got overturned and smashed up, one bloke was knocked unconcious on a petrol station forecourt and a Pompey fan got turned over for trying to help him, I as a 15 year old ended up in shop doorway with boots and fists raining down on me from growling snarling meatheads.

You combine that to what Lisa says about our time in administration, then you have a set of fans that deserve sod all support from us, it would have made my day if those evil sadistic horrors had gone bust.

I would imagine yesterday some misguided yerths singing Pompey songs opened up some old wounds for some fellow supporters.

Thank you for this post, I hadn't noticed it before I posted mine, horrible night, I ran like Usain Bolt back to my car and still got a hiding.

[marbelladave]

To Fosse Boy and Zaph...

I was a bit hyper from the drive home last night and a bit depressed by the performance, so I wrote a longish piece about how I was feeling a bit alienated from many "regular" supporters and that how I did not much like the aggression and abuse that was becoming common place even among our own fans.

I decided not to post it as I thought it maybe a bit indulgent on my part, but reading the thread this morning I thought I would, as the abusive and near violent reactions within our own fans and the racist abuse of one of our oun players are perfect examples of what I was talking about.

!993 - Must have been the last gasps of the hooligan era, seventeen years on and things have changed, some for the better, some not.

As a young man I supported City in the 'traditional' manner, noisy, aggressive, bit of a pain in the arse really but by the end of the seventies I had had enough, the really nasty violence that was building at that time simply took the fun out of the game for me.

The early 90's was the time I started going back to games, I kept clear of any trouble, quite easy by that time and started enjoying myself again, it was good. In recent times I have started supporting city again on a regular basis, but I have to say that these days I find many fans to be thoroughly unpleasant individuals and real shits when 'mob' handed.

Don't get me wrong, i enjoy a bit of fun and thoroughly enjoy the atmosphere created by the Fosse Boys and similar groups at other clubs. What I do not like is the loutish, foul mouthed behaviour that has become the norm in most areas of the ground, a bit of 'banter' is one thing but the disgusting levels of abuse hurled at the players and other fans (ours as well as their's) leaves me cold. It is hardly surprising that an atmosphere can turn sour so quickly, as it appears to have done on saturday.

Living in London I get to about as many away games as I do home, I have largely given up going in the away end, the experience is a bit of a lottery, good one week, poor, sometimes nasty another, in addition I object to paying my £30 just to be stuck in a corner with no view and routinely abused by stewards and home fans. As I usually travel alone I get the best seats I can, which means I usually sit with the home fans, who are invariably a mix of decent folk and absolute ******, much like the fans at the Walkers.

Sometimes the fans around me are aggressive meatheads, so I am pretty quiet but on other occasions I get talking to locals, have no problem declaring my allegiance and often have decent and good natured conversations about our respective clubs, interesting and sometimes very informative.

Yesterday I was with a couple of Welsh mates and welcomed into 'their' group of Swansea fans without a murmmer, I had to put up with some fairly ribald comments as we put on a pretty shit display but the ribbing was delivered without rancour and largely in good humour, they were winning after all.

From where I sat I did not have a great view of the City fans and to be honest they barely made their presence felt, there seemed to be a fair amount going on but it was uncoordinated and looked to be a bit fractious at times. All in all I was glad I gave the away end a miss on this occasion.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Well, if not racist it's certainly blindingly ignorant. Not exactly the wittiest thing I've ever heard either.

Really? You believe that anyone who has sung that song is ignorant?

You guys like to sing Iwan is a Welshman don't you? Not all Welsh people live in a council house you know. Racists.

[Guest Bilo]

When you say things like we are the atmosphere in a way that suggests you are a) a better Leicester fan and b) a better football fan, all you are doing is alienating yourselves further from the people you want to join with you.

To suggest that people are racist because of a made up song about Abe is ridiculous. It's a song ffs, not intended to be anti fooking Japanese.

Why is singing a song about Portsmouth going to help save them? It is becoming clear to me the problem is that the Fosse Boys seem to think they are the saviours of British football when infact you are trying to turn it into some kind of diluted European experience. A lot of the people you belittle and berate for not singing YOUR songs were singing for Leicester in proper atmospheres whilst you guys were still in nappies. No matter how much you want to, you will never recreate the atmospheres of the past.

Perhaps people do not join in because they find your cliquey chants confusing, pointless and cringeworthy. Your arrogance will see the Fosse Boys doomed to failure unless you are willing to adapt. I doubt that will happen though as you expect every one to dance to your tune straight away (the club included) and throw your toys out of the pram when you do not get your own way.

Stick my two-penneth in again.

The fact is that we were among the only people singing yesterday. Ourselves and a smattering of people along the back seemed like the only ones up for it yesterday, that isn't arrogance or pretension, it's a fact. It saddens me to say it but our fans just weren't up for it yesterday. We'd love to be able to say that we were insignificant parts of a great atmosphere as we were at Palace on the opening day because that's the only thing that's going to take our support forward. We aren't out for ourselves or to boost our egos, we want to help create the atmosphere we enjoyed not decades ago, but bloomin' weeks ago. The mad thing is that we'll be part of a better atmosphere at Barnsley and probably be all but ignored as just part of 2,000+ singing. Brilliant. That's what we want.

On the Abe song about eating Alsatians, it isn't funny to sing a song making an (actually false as the Japanese don't eat dogs) slur against your own player's ethnicity. I for one imagine Abe would be offended if he knew that's the kind of song being sung about him. Why not knock ourselves out? Why not sing about Andy King shagging sheep and Tunchev being a refugee? Oh hang on, we've already done the second one. The song might not be intended to be anti-Japanese and I'm sure some will see it as banter, but we aren't the only ones who want to see chants like that gone. I've seen people who have nothing to do with the Fosse Boys saying they don't like it either on more than one thread on here.

With hindsight the Pompey song probably wasn't the best to sing. There are obviously some bitter and long-lasting memories and understandably so, not condemning that at all. But to attack one of your own fans because of it? There was an 11 year old right next to the incident who was probably scared shitless by that. Yet I've only really seen members of the Fosse Boys condemn that. I'd also like to point out that the stewards were all for throwing that bloke out, but two of the arrogant, elitist, cliquey Fosse Boys said we were fine with him being let in when asked by the stewards and had a word with his mates. We agreed to disagree but it was still civil. Hardly the act of a bunch of lads only out for themselves.

The songs aren't all OUR songs meaning the Fosse Boys, they're the club's songs. The songs that some of the lads most probably were singing 15-20 years ago. Iwan is a Welshman, Blue and White Kop, This Great Team; they all got an airing yesterday. They do at home too. I'd say the majority of our songs are actually traditional Leicester chants, home and away. Yes we intersperse them with songs based on European chants as well, but they're in the minority and always will be. Cliquey the songs aren't, we regularly have some of the old Kopites come over to us at home and join in with us for that reason.

As for throwing toys out of the pram think about what's gone on so far this season. Refused admission to allocated seats at the Reading game, told we can't have flagpoles in the ground and then watch the club distribute 2000 flags on poles to welcome Sven and attacked by one of our fellow fans on the road. Throwing toys out of the pram would surely constitute saying fvck it and not bothering, in fact that would probably be understandable rather than chucking toys out of the pram, but we're sticking with it. We're liaising with the club. We're trying to take on board constructive criticism from fellow supporters, which is why you won't be hearing us singing about Pompey's plight any more. What we're doing is standing up for ourselves as well though. Clubs are nothing without supporters and what we're doing is making the club aware of that. We all pay a lot of money to watch our football, it's an expensive business. For that, we expect to be able to support our club in our way. No more, no less. Maybe if more fans over the years in this country had 'spat the dummy out' we wouldn't have such a sterile atmosphere at the Walkers and other grounds.

[Guest Basildon Fox]

Stick my two-penneth in again.

The fact is that we were among the only people singing yesterday. Ourselves and a smattering of people along the back seemed like the only ones up for it yesterday, that isn't arrogance or pretension, it's a fact. It saddens me to say it but our fans just weren't up for it yesterday. We'd love to be able to say that we were insignificant parts of a great atmosphere as we were at Palace on the opening day because that's the only thing that's going to take our support forward. We aren't out for ourselves or to boost our egos, we want to help create the atmosphere we enjoyed not decades ago, but bloomin' weeks ago. The mad thing is that we'll be part of a better atmosphere at Barnsley and probably be all but ignored as just part of 2,000+ singing. Brilliant. That's what we want.

On the Abe song about eating Alsatians, it isn't funny to sing a song making an (actually false as the Japanese don't eat dogs) slur against your own player's ethnicity. I for one imagine Abe would be offended if he knew that's the kind of song being sung about him. Why not knock ourselves out? Why not sing about Andy King shagging sheep and Tunchev being a refugee? Oh hang on, we've already done the second one. The song might not be intended to be anti-Japanese and I'm sure some will see it as banter, but we aren't the only ones who want to see chants like that gone. I've seen people who have nothing to do with the Fosse Boys saying they don't like it either on more than one thread on here.

With hindsight the Pompey song probably wasn't the best to sing. There are obviously some bitter and long-lasting memories and understandably so, not condemning that at all. But to attack one of your own fans because of it? There was an 11 year old right next to the incident who was probably scared shitless by that. Yet I've only really seen members of the Fosse Boys condemn that. I'd also like to point out that the stewards were all for throwing that bloke out, but two of the arrogant, elitist, cliquey Fosse Boys said we were fine with him being let in when asked by the stewards and had a word with his mates. We agreed to disagree but it was still civil. Hardly the act of a bunch of lads only out for themselves.

The songs aren't all OUR songs meaning the Fosse Boys, they're the club's songs. The songs that some of the lads most probably were singing 15-20 years ago. Iwan is a Welshman, Blue and White Kop, This Great Team; they all got an airing yesterday. They do at home too. I'd say the majority of our songs are actually traditional Leicester chants, home and away. Yes we intersperse them with songs based on European chants as well, but they're in the minority and always will be. Cliquey the songs aren't, we regularly have some of the old Kopites come over to us at home and join in with us for that reason.

As for throwing toys out of the pram think about what's gone on so far this season. Refused admission to allocated seats at the Reading game, told we can't have flagpoles in the ground and then watch the club distribute 2000 flags on poles to welcome Sven and attacked by one of our fellow fans on the road. Throwing toys out of the pram would surely constitute saying fvck it and not bothering, in fact that would probably be understandable rather than chucking toys out of the pram, but we're sticking with it. We're liaising with the club. We're trying to take on board constructive criticism from fellow supporters, which is why you won't be hearing us singing about Pompey's plight any more. What we're doing is standing up for ourselves as well though. Clubs are nothing without supporters and what we're doing is making the club aware of that. We all pay a lot of money to watch our football, it's an expensive business. For that, we expect to be able to support our club in our way. No more, no less. Maybe if more fans over the years in this country had 'spat the dummy out' we wouldn't have such a sterile atmosphere at the Walkers and other grounds.

The reason why the atmosphere is so flat at the Walkers and other places is because it is no longer a young adults/working class sport. It is now family orientated and many lads who used to go can now no longer afford to go / refuse to pay the exorbitant amounts that it costs to go to a game. Add to this the fact that most of the new stadia do not hold noise in it will never be as it was 20-30 years ago.

Football will certainly not be changing back because a few fans pine for the good old days. Football is a business and the people running it know that there is more money to be made from families than pigeon holing themselves to lads in their late teens to late 20's. Whether this is right or wrong does not matter. That is called progress.

As for standing up for yourselves, the club quite clearly said they would not have a problem with you going to L1 and continuing to stand yet you refused. That is not adapting is it? I suspect that the real reason you guys do not want to go in to L1 is because most in there would not join in with you.