Finnegan Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 You realise the irony in that, yes? And how stupid that statement makes you look. Yes or no, Tony, do you agree with me that the immigration issue is not a race issue?
Thracian Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 It's plain and simple, if those white natives think they got more of a bum deal then anyone else who lives here, they foooking need to smell the gravy and if not, they can suck my nads!!! I'm don't feel the least bit qualified to say what sort of deal "anyone else" gets, although, as you might recall, seeing as we've discussed it on occasions, I am well aware (and concerned) about the bitterness felt by immigrants from way back who are out of work for the first time because of jobs erosion and the swamping of labour markets making it impossible to get alternative work. For me it only emphasises the madness of current policy.
Dr The Singh Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 You realise the irony in that, yes? And how stupid that statement makes you look. Yes or no, Tony, do you agree with me that the immigration issue is not a race issue? Stop talking shit and a nswer the question , bitch!!!!!!
Dr The Singh Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 You're avoiding the question again! What exactly is the question, Thrac??? FINNERS: Answer him!!!
Finnegan Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 My question is leading to my answer. He doesn't want to stop deflecting as I imagine he knows where it's going.
Thracian Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 a) As pointed out earlier by somebody else - how do you explain the "laissez-faire" attitude displayed by thousands of White English men and women who can't be arsed to lift their arses to go and seek employment? b) All these (white) men and women living off the welfare system on a daily basis - the lazy bones, the druggies, the cheaters. People who in theory actually are more than capable to add something to the national economy, but fail to do so out of selfish reasons. People who could take those available jobs you're mentioning, Mr. T. c) "Immigrants" is no longer a word that can be used as some sort of insult to foreigners when it comes to degrading their intelligenzija and/or heritage. "Immigrants" are more willing to work hard, are more willing to prove themselves in a foreign environment. That's is testament to their ability to adapt to new surroundings. d) Before you make "them" responsible for all that is wrong with the job market in the UK, why don't you start sweeping the broom in front of your own door, Tony? e) Swan Lestas up my arse. a) Those who don't want to work are an entirely different issue to the young and less young English kids who ask me every single workday if I've got work for them. Any sort of workl. b) See above. c) If you perceive something "insulting" about the word immigrant that's your problem. I don't. It's a word that simply describes someone coming from one country to live in another. And the qualities they have has nothing to do with the people they potentially displace in the workforce. Giving an immigrant a job is fine but what is the earthly point in importing someone to do a job that can be done by someone already living here and then hving to pay welfare to the one displaced? d) My family all work so job done. Despite any potential contribution we could make neither my wife or I would have any chance of getting employment now. So we created our own jobs and rely on no-one but ourselves. There are countless thousands of unemployables like us nowadays but not all of them are suited to running their own businesses. That doesn't mean they should be dumped on the scrapheap by conscience stricken white apologists. Because in many cases those unemployables don't have the alternative of moving elsewhere. e) Not sure I'd wish that on them.
Thracian Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 What exactly is the question, Thrac??? FINNERS: Answer him!!! Here's the question. Seemed simple enough to me, even for Finners. "Where, precisely, have I said that white-British are more deserving than other British nationals?"
Finnegan Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 Keep squirming, chap, is the immigration issue a race issue?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 I think if an actual racist crime takes place any time soon the internet will implode
Thracian Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 My question is leading to my answer. He doesn't want to stop deflecting as I imagine he knows where it's going. There's no need for me to deflect anything. It's you who's being evasive as always when it suits. You who can't/won't answer a simple question. Of course, once you do answer my question it will, in itself, provide the answer to your own question. And reveal who is really the stupid one.
Finnegan Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 There's no need for me to deflect anything. It's you who's being evasive as always when it suits. You who can't/won't answer a simple question. Of course, once you do answer my question it will, in itself, provide the answer to your own question. And reveal who is really the stupid one. Excuse me - but I've been putting this question / point to you for three or four pages and you've been deflecting as ever. Don't resort to hypocrisy just because you know you've been rumbled and I'm not going to let it drop. You're the one that derailed a conversation about race, started spouting Griffin rhetoric about indigenous workers and immigration. So Tony, is immigration a race issue?
Houdini Logic Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 So did two people actually die? If Finnegan and Thracian bump into each other in town then probably
Bellend Sebastian Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 So did two people actually die? It would appear not. If only people knew how much trouble in cyberspace and heat under people's collars this would generate (enough to solve the energy crisis) then they'd think twice about making stuff like this up
Zingari Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 do you think scientists will ever be able to harness this energy for the good of mankind ?
FoxyPV Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 Here's the question. Seemed simple enough to me, even for Finners. "Where, precisely, have I said that white-British are more deserving than other British nationals?" so that white natives no longer have the unity nor the support necessary to make its voice heard above the anti-white legislators and the bullshit of people like yourself and others. Now, so many natives - so many of those 5.5 million shamefully unemployed - feel disheartened, indifferent and uninspired. Put simply, they've been shafted and by the very people you so willingly and eagerly support. anti-white racism which some on here still refuse to accept even exists, when it is actually rife, so often ignored by the authorities and getting worse. I am well aware that non-whites are affected by the jobs crisis hateful and deceitful measures successive Labour governments have taken to devalue, marginalise and belittle the established white population of this land And I say the white population because I'm not aware of them devaluing the Sikh community in any way. It is not British people of any other ethnic or national distinction that are being victimised by and as a result of Labour policies, at least that I'm aware of, just white English men. personal discrimination against the native workforce. kicked the native male workforce in the wotsits. And kept kicking them in every way they could in the name of their self-serving social engineering. calculated and systematic oppression and degrading of this country's indigenous workforce? Thrac - the use of native and indigenous = BNP language whether you meant that way or not and generally will be taken as such
Zingari Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 Thrac - the use of native and indigenous = BNP language whether you meant that way or not and generally will be taken as such You're sort of making his point for him a little there though . Would the use of words such as native or indigenous be racist language if it was used in context with regard to Innuit , African , or American Indian etc ?
FoxyPV Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 You're sort of making his point for him a little there though . Would the use of words such as native or indigenous be racist language if it was used in context with regard to Innuit , African , or American Indian etc ? No because Britain has not been a colony since the saxons invaded. All those examples are from colonies where they where marginalised by WHITE settlers due to their race by military means. That invovles a completely different power dynamic that is not applicable here. Thrac himself has used native to mean white or joined the two words together.
Zingari Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 No because Britain has not been a colony since the saxons invaded. All those examples are from colonies where they where marginalised by WHITE settlers due to their race by military means. That invovles a completely different power dynamic that is not applicable here. Thrac himself has used native to mean white or joined the two words together. you may be correct , but sorry, i think it's a distinction that very few people without a history/sociology degree would readily understand . as an experiment , try this statement out on some ordinary chumps in the pub "if you are innuit you can be native and indiginous , but if you are british you can't because of historical context" i'm not disagreeing with you , but i don't think political decision making factors in the ordinary feelings of the populace , it makes too many high brow assumptions about what we ( myself included )can grasp
FoxyPV Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 you may be correct , but sorry, i think it's a distinction that very few people without a history/sociology degree would readily understand . as an experiment , try this statement out on some ordinary chumps in the pub "if you are innuit you can be native and indiginous , but if you are british you can't because of historical context" i'm not disagreeing with you , but i don't think political decision making factors in the ordinary feelings of the populace , it makes too many high brow assumptions about what we ( myself included )can grasp That might as well be true but the phrases native and indigenous have been hijacked by the far right and therefore, whether you like it or not, to use these phrases will ultimately conjure up notions of hate. As I've remarked before Thrac is our example here and he has used native to mean white and that is exactly my problem. It's not whether it's correct or not, it's the context in which the terms are used.
Thracian Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 No because Britain has not been a colony since the saxons invaded. All those examples are from colonies where they where marginalised by WHITE settlers due to their race by military means. That invovles a completely different power dynamic that is not applicable here. Thrac himself has used native to mean white or joined the two words together. Once Finnegan answers the question I posed him I'll happily explain my use of the words white native or indigenous population.
FoxyPV Posted 4 November 2010 Posted 4 November 2010 Once Finnegan answers the question I posed him I'll happily explain my use of the words white native or indigenous population. Can you not do it for me now just to save hassle?
Finnegan Posted 5 November 2010 Posted 5 November 2010 Thankyou, Foxy, for doing my leg work for me. But he's just stalling. He's got to either admit that his entire argument is null, irrelevant and in completely the wrong thread or out himself as a racist, right-wing little bigot. It's been check mate for about four or so pages, so standard Thracian policy is to deflect for a good few whilst either waiting for his opponent to get bored, waiting for the thread to die out or preparing a latest eight-paragraph essay in an attempt to trigger an emotive enough response that someone will get sidetracked and give him an escape (with massive brownie-points every time the word 'diatribe' is overused.) Deflecting by accusing someone else of deflecting is also classic Thracian. Fortunately for myself, anyone with a smidge of reading comprehension and half a brain (anyone sad enough to be bothered, that is) can read or has read the thread and will know he isn't fooling anyone. I've nothing to prove here. Hell, the fact that even Webbo, Jon the Hat and co' want nothing to do with agreeing with him sort of speaks volumes.
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