2 deaths in town

[Fosse Boy]

That's where the real celtic shit goes down.

BREIZH!

[Finnegan]

We're nothing to do with the Irish or Scots. Totally diferent language groups.

We are Brythons and have cultural and linguistic kinship with Britanny and Cornwall as well as old Strathclyde.

The Irish, Scots and Manx share a language group.

[Zingari]

were you kicked out with the snakes ?

[Trav Le Bleu]

So does anybody else think that the forthcoming rise in university tuition fees constitute an attack on the meritocratic values of the British education system or what?

Yes, but its been that way since time immemorial (it was since I was a kid - I had naff all chance of going to Uni in the early 80s) except for the brief blip of New Labour. So I'm not so sure that the British education system actually has any meritocratic values in any kind of way that can be held up as an ideal.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Pft. We're way more celt than the Scots.

Isn't Wales derived from the ancient Anglo-saxon for foreigner?

[Guest Bilo]

Yes, but its been that way since time immemorial (it was since I was a kid - I had naff all chance of going to Uni in the early 80s) except for the brief blip of New Labour. So I'm not so sure that the British education system actually has any meritocratic values in any kind of way that can be held up as an ideal.

New Labour introduced student tuition fees, thus slowing down any moves towards meritocracy and the ConDems have basically killed it off altogether. Social mobility in Britain is therefore among the lowest in Europe as a direct consequence.

[Zingari]

Isn't Wales derived from the ancient Anglo-saxon for foreigner?

no, it's derived from the ancient Goth , for wallies

[Fosse Boy]

We're nothing to do with the Irish or Scots. Totally diferent language groups.

We are Brythons and have cultural and linguistic kinship with Britanny and Cornwall as well as old Strathclyde.

The Irish, Scots and Manx share a language group.

Goidelic.

[Finnegan]

Goidelic indeed, have a cookie!

And yes but 'Wales' and 'Welsh' aren't our words. Second cookie to Essex if he knows what are!

[Dr The Singh]

Goidelic indeed, have a cookie!

And yes but 'Wales' and 'Welsh' aren't our words. Second cookie to Essex if he knows what are!

Aren' t the Welsh just wannabe Singh's without the Turbans, the Scotts are also wannabe Singh's for there love of whisky and the Irish also are wannabe Singh's for being piss heads!! the native english on the other hand are wannabe Singhs for being treated so badly by the labour government!

[Finnegan]

[FoxyPV]

Back on form Singhy!

Scots just came over here during the plantations because Scotland was so shit and Wales .... well the less said about it the better.

Bilo - Meritocracy is just a sham as those who achieve the high enough results etc are predominantly middle/ upper class with a small minority of working class people coming through the ranks. It just maintains the status quo but makes people feel like they can move up the social ladder without actually letting them (esp as the m/c and u/c have all the contacts etc). To make it truly meritocratic the state would need to redress the social imbalances that those from poorer backgrounds encounter on a more frequent basis than those on from more affluent backgrounds.

[Finnegan]

My celtic brothers, lets not be turning on each other! Can't you see that's what they want?! A bit of love and respect yo!

[Trav Le Bleu]

My celtic brothers, lets not be turning on each other! Can't you see that's what they want?! A bit of love and respect yo!

Blin.

On a side note, using Bing as a search engine to find English Welsh Translation, after typing English Welsh, the fourth suggestion afforded me was English Welsh Defence League

[Webbo]

Some teachers don't help when it comes to social mobility. I knew someone whose daughter had top A level results and her teacher told her and her parents not to apply to Oxbridge as they only let the posh kids in. My daughter was told not to worry about getting an A in her economics test as only private school kids get that. Pathetic attitudes like that really piss me off. They will the kids to fail and then when their self fore-filling prophecy comes true they pretend it's some kind of upper class plot.

[Guest Mee-9]

Just to say, there we no deaths in town.

Let the debate/E-war continue.

[acooling08]

Haha how did I miss this thread Should be called 'Yet another debate on race'. All I can draw from this thread is that politically speeking, Finnegan is my exact opposite

[sdb]

I'm all for the debating, as infuriating as some views may be. As has been said, ignore the posters/thread if needs be.

[Thracian]

Ok, so I get Thracian's arguement about anti native or white racism, and Thrac you said you cannot see how Labours policies have effected Sikhs or any ethnics and in my last point I proved to you that we all are effected by Labour policies.

Yes Thrac, there have been some policies for 'positive discrimination' for ethnics and we all admit they are wrong.

But, in comparison to negative discrimination against ethnics by society and institutions as a whole, is far, far greater then a few postives by Labour. It's like comparing the steam of my piss against the puddle on on the floor......the steam becomes irrelevant in comparison!!

You see Thrac, with all government policies, there are loser, winners and chumps. Now we all could go on some crusade, as a working man, i'm a loser on certain benefits etc, and I would be back of the queue for housing, etc. Yet a asylum seeker, is in the front of the queue. As a married couple I lose out to single parents in many benfits and yet I pay tax and i'm at the back of the queue.......and the list goes on, and on......................................i'm a chump, but flip the coin, there are people that would say different.

SO to summarize, yes the white natives have had it hard, so has everyone else, yes there are some policies that maybe white negative only, which in reality is hardly gonna chenge the demographcs of society. But in comparison to societys and institutional negativity towards ethnics, this white native negativity is hardly a splash in the pond. Everyone is different and some have been bummed silly by the government and some have benefitted under labours regime, but this is neither colour or race definible.

If we all start trying to 'protect our own' on colour or race etc, it will cause a divide, isolate society and cause more ignorance. If we can get passed, colour or race and tackle issues with common sense and realism we will be better off!!!

EDIT FOR FoxyPV: Thrac, what would be best if the ethnics were allowed to pro-create with the native white females, that way the next generation no native white would suffer!! Bagsy Mrs Thrac in a threesome with FoxyPV's lady!!!!!!!!!!

Haha ... I've just heard the door slam so Mrs Thrac might just be on her way! She must quite like the idea of a bit of suffering!

[Thracian]

I just love watching thracian make himself look stupid!

Stupid? One hundred and sixty-odd posts in a thread about two deaths that didn't happen, on an internet site that has keystrokes as its lifeblood, plus, plus, plus the prospect of a drinking session with my good friend Singhy! Get real, son. I'd have taken that anytime!

[FoxyPV]

Singhy you're biting off more than you can chew there.

Saying that she does have a liking for a well groomed Indian man.

[Finnegan]

Haha how did I miss this thread Should be called 'Yet another debate on race'. All I can draw from this thread is that politically speeking, Finnegan is my exact opposite

That's because you're a juvenile racist apologist and I'm an enlightened leftist.

[dave the caveman]

Pretty much every major institution in this country is run by and for whites. To a ratio that's disproportionate to the demographic.

Legislation and law is passed by whites, it's carried out by whites and it's enforced by whites. Business and banking? Whites. The education system, especially higher education? Run by whites, taught to whites by whites.

TV? White majority. Film? White majority. Sport? White majority (to the point where, despite the countless black athletes, Paul Ince is remarked upon as significant because he's a black manager.)

The press? Massive white majority.

It goes on and on and on and on and on. I'm not apologizing for anyone, I'm not making a point based on politics or economics and my point has nothing DIRECTLY to do with immigration (by the way, I'd love to know what percentage of your immigrants taking British jobs were, themselves, actually white as well.)

But as much as James was right to point out that we are all phenomenally lucky to have been born into Western, developed society so to should those of us born white count ourselves very fucking lucky as well. Not for any such reasons of racial superiority, physical or mental advantage. But purely because that's how our planet works - and it isn't fair.

Yes, it sucks that there's unemployment. Yes, it sucks that British nationals can't find jobs and yes - I admit - our immigration policy in the given context may not be the best globally. But you go take yourself a trip down the dole queue and tell me how many white, middle-class, post-graduates you can find claiming JSA or out of work or home. Yeah, didn't think so.

I guess with you coming from Wales and therefore being distanced from any significant multiculturalism, we shouldn't be suprised that you're so willing to fight 'the little mans' corner. I'm not siding with Thracian on this but I feel we need to inject a bit of reality into what you've said here, lest more people start to feel as unneccessarily guilty as you seem to feel. Or perhaps you like to feel as though you are open minded or 'progressive' somehow? That's fine, but if you're going to do that you need to do two things: keep up with the times and be realistic.

Law and its enforcement is carried out by whites. But is there any barriers in the way of a non-white becoming a lawyer? No. Is there any barriers in the way of a non-white becoming a policeman? No. Infact quite the opposite - they are encouraged to do so. Does there HAVE to be a representative number of non-whites working in these jobs? Of course not! If 'they' DON'T WANT to be policemen or lawyers, then whatever. The opportunity is there is they want to take it. They don't. (You can hang me on my use of 'they' if you want, but it means nothing)

See also: the banking system

As for your statement regarding education here: 'run by whites, taught to whites by whites.' Maybe it's different in Wales, I don't know, but the last time I checked, kids of any race get free schooling in this country. If you were to pay a visit to certain schools in Leicester you would see a very different picture to the exlusively white one you have painted here.

The same is true at university level. Have you been to a business school lately? Even in Wales, I'm sure, you will find a significant number of non whites enrolled on these courses. In many institutions, you will find a white minority. A great many students are Chinese. Many teachers are Indian and Chinese. Where do these facts fit in with your idea that education is 100% white? I'm perplexed by this one, truly, as you seem too intelligent to come up with such a wildy innacurate observation.

The fact is that as a society we have come a long, long way since the early days of mass xenophobia. We now have a multicultural society that works. Mainstream racism has been systematically broken down and replaced with equal opportunities. A kid of any colour, in this country, has the same opportunities as anyone else. There's only so much that can be done to encourage black or muslim kids to become policeman or politicians. If they don't want to then they don't want to, it's as simple as that. The opportunities are now there for anyone and everyone who wants to take them. It's their choice.

And this has not happened by accident. Our society was issued with a challenge and it has came out of the other side fundamentally changed for the better. Rarely is this more evident than in Leicester - a harmonious multicultural society that is in many ways a pioneering city, not just in the UK but in the world as well. It's an achievement that everyone involved in should relish and feel great pride in.

But instead we have people like you, taking clueless potshots from the sidelines, cringeworthingly unaware of the patronising nature of your supposed elevated morality. Either desperately behind the times, or so desperately insecure that you NEED to keep the race issue alive, lest you suddenly find yourself with noone to 'defend', no little man who you can pretend to help for your own twisted gratification.

You may think you are progressive, but you are shouting from the back of the queue, dragging people BACKWARDS, not forwards. We're actually quite close to a complete turnaround now. I don't think it will be long before racist insults are accepted in the same way as the fat kid in the playground must accept taunts of 'fatty', or whatever. Or the ginger kid who has the piss taken out of him because he has ginger hair. That's the level we're moving towards. You'll have some childish racial insults, some justified stereotypes (after all, we're not perfect), but essentially the colour of your skin will have no greater impact than the colour of your hair. And the more people like you go on and on about how awful racism is, the longer you keep the old guilt/moral supremity fire burning, the longer it will take us to get there...

So please just do us all a favour, and either realise that your viewpoint is 20 years out of date and update it, or else keep being ignorant but do so in silence so you don't keep holding us back.

[Trav Le Bleu]

And the dead people?

[Finnegan]

I live in Leicester and been living between Leicester and London for well over a decade, Dave.

I don't need a lesson on demographics and I hold no guilt for being white.

I was merely debuffing the ridiculous claims that the whites are somehow disadvantaged in this country as of Labour's tenure.