2 deaths in town

[cambridgefox]

Ooooooooohhhhh kinky, i like it!!!!!!

Thought i had turned the webcam off!

[FoxyPV]

Unfortunately the liberals have served to drip their wet misconceptions onto and into our psyche through people like yourself to the point that the very fabric of our society is rusting and falling apart through a lack of quality, leadership, direction and the authority to decide our own destiny.

True to Marxism theory, the pillars of Western beliefs have and are being systematically and deliberately eroded with great skill, subtle brainwashing and huge deceit over a period of years so that white natives no longer have the unity nor the support necessary to make its voice heard above the anti-white legislators and the bullshit of people like yourself and others.

Even Christianity has been on the wane, thanks partly to liberalist/Marxism ridicule or disregard. No, Christianity was never any more perfect a concept than any other religion but the values of other religions were never attacked. Yet Christianity helped people to grow up with a sense of family, a sense of worth, a sense of duty, a sense of values and a sense of unity among many other things. Much as Islam does in so many ways and mostly to their great credit.

Now, so many natives - so many of those 5.5 million shamefully unemployed - feel disheartened, indifferent and uninspired. Put simply, they've been shafted and by the very people you so willingly and eagerly support.

Thrac - a marxist revolution will sort out your first point. Liberals are wankers - always have been, always will be.

Why denigrate marxist theory by bringing race into the argument? Dr The Singh has already made quite a valid point on this. ALL people are generally being fooked over by advanced capitalism except of the ruling class. As long as we consume to anaesthetise ourselves from this very inequality it will continue and get worse.

Christianity is 400years + older than Islam and is therefore at a very different stage. Look at what Christianity was like centuries ago and then you can draw parallels.

you are clearly talking bollox here Thrac - Christianity has never attacked other religions . What about the Crusades, the treatment of all other religions during the colonial process? or even between different denominations - the Spanish Inquisition? or the witch hunts? Christianity helped to close minds not open them and only fostered a sense of unity if you toed the line.

On your last point - they have been disenfranchised by the capitalist system that we live in so what's the point to them to continue in a system that ****s them over time and time again. The employers are unwilling to pay a living wage and then look to immigrant workers who will work for less to do the same work. The problem is with the employers not the workers.

[Zingari]

i was trying to start a conspiracy story here !! and its developed into another race row <_<

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Police-man-died-alleged-stabbing-Leicester/article-2827386-detail/article.html

linking the story to ;

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Assault-case-pair-sent-trial/article-1177132-detail/article.html

[Sparky]

i was trying to start a conspiracy story here !! and its developed into another race row

http://www.thisislei...il/article.html

linking the story to ;

http://www.thisislei...il/article.html

Turned in to the same bollocks most threads do when race gets involved.

Like others ive only heard about the Saff incident, i was in town sat night and there was a lot of police activity around the market area.

[Guest]

Why am I reminded of this?

[Thracian]

Thrac, you would probably get alot more acknowledgement if instead of barking about 'natives', you related the issues for all in the UK, because the shit your talking about and I admit i haven't read it all, relates to all of society and not just the natives????

Whether white, brown or green, we all have been effected by immigration etc, so why would the whites or natives be the only worth ranting about. And it's not about 'positive discrimination' etc, cus those same stats show the prejudices for jobs, policing etc for a ethnic or black person to be alot more wider then the few pro ethnic\black policies!!!!

I don't expect any acknowledgement from those on here whose eyes don't want to see, but my comments were specifically related to anti-white racism which some on here still refuse to accept even exists, when it is actually rife, so often ignored by the authorities and getting worse.

I am well aware that non-whites are affected by the jobs crisis and the effect of continued immigration on their prospects but you are far better placed to comment on that than I.

However if you doubt whether I care, or doubt that my insignificant voice against unfairness is universal, then why would I make myself unpopular with the inspectors by defending Urdu-speaking Ali after he'd had his watch stall wrecked or pay the air fare of an African girl so she could be re-united with her mum in England.

Indeed I care so much about different races understanding each other and getting along that I spend hours every week helping a Muslim university student to improve her English and now consider her no less than my adopted daughter. I've also offered to help an Indonesian Muslim set texts for English students when she sets up a teaching website shortly. In both cases we've been friends for ages.

But why any of that should mean I should turn a blind eye to the sort of hateful and deceitful measures successive Labour governments have taken to devalue, marginalise and belittle the established white population of this land I don't know. And I say the white population because I'm not aware of them devaluing the Sikh community in any way.

I just wonder how you would have felt if England was a Sikh country and 90% of new jobs went to non Sikhs. Is that really in any way defensible?

But, having said all that, you know there's a drink waiting for you any time you feel like one.

[Rocket-Ron]

i was trying to start a conspiracy story here !! and its developed into another race row <_<

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Police-man-died-alleged-stabbing-Leicester/article-2827386-detail/article.html

linking the story to ;

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Assault-case-pair-sent-trial/article-1177132-detail/article.html

Dude phone the Rozzers with your findings..Man!!

[Finnegan]

Why am I reminded of this?

Basically my hero in life.

[Guest Mee-9]

Funny how we have a full-scale debate here, and nothing actually happened.

Spoke to my mates at college, it was a DnB (Drum and Bass) night, at the auditorium, people payed £20 for tickets and thought they'd be there till about 3-4am. They were turfed out at 1, people got abit aggrevated, that was about it.

[Thracian]

Pretty much every major institution in this country is run by and for whites. To a ratio that's disproportionate to the demographic.

Legislation and law is passed by whites, it's carried out by whites and it's enforced by whites. Business and banking? Whites. The education system, especially higher education? Run by whites, taught to whites by whites.

TV? White majority. Film? White majority. Sport? White majority (to the point where, despite the countless black athletes, Paul Ince is remarked upon as significant because he's a black manager.)

The press? Massive white majority.

It goes on and on and on and on and on. I'm not apologizing for anyone, I'm not making a point based on politics or economics and my point has nothing DIRECTLY to do with immigration (by the way, I'd love to know what percentage of your immigrants taking British jobs were, themselves, actually white as well.)

But as much as James was right to point out that we are all phenomenally lucky to have been born into Western, developed society so to should those of us born white count ourselves very fucking lucky as well. Not for any such reasons of racial superiority, physical or mental advantage. But purely because that's how our planet works - and it isn't fair.

Yes, it sucks that there's unemployment. Yes, it sucks that British nationals can't find jobs and yes - I admit - our immigration policy in the given context may not be the best globally. But you go take yourself a trip down the dole queue and tell me how many white, middle-class, post-graduates you can find claiming JSA or out of work or home. Yeah, didn't think so.

Until successive Labour governments set out on its provenly deceitful and unsanctioned crusade to change the make up of this nation's population for its own ends and to further its policy of social engineering on a vast scale, ethnic quotas and proportions didn't come into it any more than they do in huge numbers of countries.

But however you choose to gloss it over the huge numbers of immigrants employed here in recent years has corresponded to vast numbers of the established population becoming unemployed - and most of the 5.5 million I've mentioned.

And even then there is so much bullshit spoken about the effect these incomers have on the economy. Independent studies have shown that they have little effect. Indeed it would be interesting to see what proportion of the money they get, by whatever means, is actually sent abroad to their families and never spent in the economy here to help better provide jobs for some of those 5.5 million. And yet we still increase our overseas budgets - while the countries we send them to increase their armaments!

And by the way, as you well knew, my point about the jobless has nothing to do with the colour of those incomers being employed. It matters not to me if they are black, white, or green (as Singhy mentioned) I believe we should employ the established population before we employ immigrants of any race... but, of course, it is effectively out of our hands.

But I'll not stop you being an apologist for everything white. Blame the white man for slavery, for exploiting everyone everywhere, for pinching Spanish treasure, for spiriting potatoes out of the New World and anything other convenient bullshit you can think of

while the rest of the world was practising for the sainthood.

Never mind the reality if it spoils the ideology

As for the dole queues you mentioned. Never mind which class they are. Every single person in that queue who was born and bred in this land is testimony to the shame of misguided politics.

Pretty much every major institution in this country is run by and for whites. To a ratio that's disproportionate to the demographic.

Legislation and law is passed by whites, it's carried out by whites and it's enforced by whites. Business and banking? Whites. The education system, especially higher education? Run by whites, taught to whites by whites.

TV? White majority. Film? White majority. Sport? White majority (to the point where, despite the countless black athletes, Paul Ince is remarked upon as significant because he's a black manager.)

The press? Massive white majority.

It goes on and on and on and on and on. I'm not apologizing for anyone, I'm not making a point based on politics or economics and my point has nothing DIRECTLY to do with immigration (by the way, I'd love to know what percentage of your immigrants taking British jobs were, themselves, actually white as well.)

But as much as James was right to point out that we are all phenomenally lucky to have been born into Western, developed society so to should those of us born white count ourselves very fucking lucky as well. Not for any such reasons of racial superiority, physical or mental advantage. But purely because that's how our planet works - and it isn't fair.

Yes, it sucks that there's unemployment. Yes, it sucks that British nationals can't find jobs and yes - I admit - our immigration policy in the given context may not be the best globally. But you go take yourself a trip down the dole queue and tell me how many white, middle-class, post-graduates you can find claiming JSA or out of work or home. Yeah, didn't think so.

[Thracian]

Thrac - a marxist revolution will sort out your first point. Liberals are wankers - always have been, always will be.

Why denigrate marxist theory by bringing race into the argument? Dr The Singh has already made quite a valid point on this. ALL people are generally being fooked over by advanced capitalism except of the ruling class. As long as we consume to anaesthetise ourselves from this very inequality it will continue and get worse.

Christianity is 400years + older than Islam and is therefore at a very different stage. Look at what Christianity was like centuries ago and then you can draw parallels.

you are clearly talking bollox here Thrac - Christianity has never attacked other religions . What about the Crusades, the treatment of all other religions during the colonial process? or even between different denominations - the Spanish Inquisition? or the witch hunts? Christianity helped to close minds not open them and only fostered a sense of unity if you toed the line.

On your last point - they have been disenfranchised by the capitalist system that we live in so what's the point to them to continue in a system that ****s them over time and time again. The employers are unwilling to pay a living wage and then look to immigrant workers who will work for less to do the same work. The problem is with the employers not the workers.

Re Christianity I've clearly worded that badly. It was meant to reaad that the (Labour) administrations had not attacked any other religion. Just undermined Christianity. And no I don't intend to contest your view of Christianity and briefly acknowedged its limitations in my text.

[Finnegan]

Whilst I appreciate this thread is slightly easier for you to drag off on your ridiculous immigration tangent than some of the ones you've derailed as a vehicle for this passion of yours; there is a distinct difference between the issue of race and the issue of immigration.

There are hundreds of thousands of non-white individuals and families who have been in the country for years, decades, generations longer than plenty of whites.

That's what bothers myself (and plenty of others) about your crusade. Your fascination with making it a "race" issue makes you look like some BNP aligned, far-right-wing bigot. You can protest about the problems of Labour's system of immigration without having to put any ethnic slant on it. British jobs for British nationals? Fair enough. British jobs for white-Brits? Erm, why exactly?

And you're being incredibly disrespectful to your "adopted daughter" and everyone else from an ethnic minority by persistently bashing out the same "natives" rhetoric in the process.

[FoxyPV]

Why am I reminded of this?

[Koke]

Meanwhile here's just the latest example of the kind of fairness, or concept of "ridiculous bias" you blindly defend.

http://derbypatriot.blogspot.com/2010/10/migrants-took-9-out-of-10-jobs-created.html

Blame capitalism for that, my friend. :

People will hire who they deem fit. If that means 9 out of 10 immigrants, then so be it - that's the system we live under.

[Thracian]

Whilst I appreciate this thread is slightly easier for you to drag off on your ridiculous immigration tangent than some of the ones you've derailed as a vehicle for this passion of yours; there is a distinct difference between the issue of race and the issue of immigration.

There are hundreds of thousands of non-white individuals and families who have been in the country for years, decades, generations longer than plenty of whites.

That's what bothers myself (and plenty of others) about your crusade. Your fascination with making it a "race" issue makes you look like some BNP aligned, far-right-wing bigot. You can protest about the problems of Labour's system of immigration without having to put any ethnic slant on it. British jobs for British nationals? Fair enough. British jobs for white-Brits? Erm, why exactly?

And you're being incredibly disrespectful to your "adopted daughter" and everyone else from an ethnic minority by persistently bashing out the same "natives" rhetoric in the process.

Sometimes, you are blinkered in such a way you seem to wear them across your face instead of on the side, so that you cannot see what's in front of your eyes. It is not British people of any other ethnic or national distinction that are being victimised by and as a result of Labour policies, at least that I'm aware of, just white English men. Examples abound including those I've already highlighted. Reaction to Monday's incident at the Labour Council-run market was blatant and typical. I won't give details because they are, inevitably, contested, and the whole issue will be brushed aside. But I know what I saw, I've heard what others saw and, more important, I know what I heard.

[Thracian]

Blame capitalism for that, my friend. :

People will hire who they deem fit. If that means 9 out of 10 immigrants, then so be it - that's the system we live under.

Thankyou Kareem. I rest my case. Except that while employers will hire the cheapest labour given the chance, it is successive Labour administrations who have deceitfully and without any mandate, allowed this country to be swamped by masses of incomers at a time when there are millions here who are already unemployed.

[Finnegan]

Sometimes, you are blinkered in such a way you seem to wear them across your face instead of on the side, so that you cannot see what's in front of your eyes. It is not British people of any other ethnic or national distinction that are being victimised by and as a result of Labour policies, at least that I'm aware of, just white English men. Examples abound including those I've already highlighted. Reaction to Monday's incident at the Labour Council-run market was blatant and typical. I won't give details because they are, inevitably, contested, and the whole issue will be brushed aside. But I know what I saw, I've heard what others saw and, more important, I know what I heard.

But everything you just used as an argument was about immigrants vs. British nationals in regards jobs, nothing specifically to do with colour.

See, you can't actually make up your mind what your argument is. When you're questioned and put under pressure you backpedal and retreat to your immigration statistics because you know full well you'll get support by pointing out Labour's policy for flow into this country was a hugely contentious issue.

But actually pressed on race and why it's so very hard to be a white male in this country you've got absolutely fuck all except a few shaggy-dog stories and "Bob down the market said" stories about a few cases of "positive discrimination" which are quite frankly no way near as common-place as people sensationalise.

Thankyou Kareem. I rest my case. Except that while employers will hire the cheapest labour given the chance, it is successive Labour administrations who have deceitfully and without any mandate, allowed this country to be swamped by masses of incomers at a time when there are millions here who are already unemployed.

lol !!

See, there you go. Before I can even hit "post", you've done it again.

[MC Prussian]

"White English men" are mainly of either

a) Celtic

b) Roman

or

c) Scandinavian

descent.

Bloody immigrants.

Without them, there wouldn't be angry white English men.

[FoxyPV]

These Saxon bastards coming in and taking our jobs, but only white Celtic people's jobs because the black, brown, green, blue and orange Celtic people's are ringed off and kept just for them.

[Finnegan]

These Saxon bastards coming in and taking our jobs, but only white Celtic people's jobs because the black, brown, green, blue and orange Celtic people's are ringed off and kept just for them.

[Dr The Singh]

I don't expect any acknowledgement from those on here whose eyes don't want to see, but my comments were specifically related to anti-white racism which some on here still refuse to accept even exists, when it is actually rife, so often ignored by the authorities and getting worse.

I am well aware that non-whites are affected by the jobs crisis and the effect of continued immigration on their prospects but you are far better placed to comment on that than I.

However if you doubt whether I care, or doubt that my insignificant voice against unfairness is universal, then why would I make myself unpopular with the inspectors by defending Urdu-speaking Ali after he'd had his watch stall wrecked or pay the air fare of an African girl so she could be re-united with her mum in England.

Indeed I care so much about different races understanding each other and getting along that I spend hours every week helping a Muslim university student to improve her English and now consider her no less than my adopted daughter. I've also offered to help an Indonesian Muslim set texts for English students when she sets up a teaching website shortly. In both cases we've been friends for ages.

But why any of that should mean I should turn a blind eye to the sort of hateful and deceitful measures successive Labour governments have taken to devalue, marginalise and belittle the established white population of this land I don't know. And I say the white population because I'm not aware of them devaluing the Sikh community in any way.

I just wonder how you would have felt if England was a Sikh country and 90% of new jobs went to non Sikhs. Is that really in any way defensible?

But, having said all that, you know there's a drink waiting for you any time you feel like one.

Get ready to put your turban on Thrac, cus it's gonna happen!!

You see Thrac, in the punjab, the Baniye (hindu's) get all the government jobs etc of high position, eg at airports etc etc. After 1984, and the movement for Khalistan, there is no Sikh in the punjab at a high enough position to influence any political or government agenda, and punjab is the only state that has no real control over it's resources, eg it produces the cheapest electricity which gets shipped to delhi at cost. In fact all top positions are from baniye from different states. 15% of all government jobs are by defualt given to 'low caste', so there is a stream of positive discrimination.

Going back to the topic, it's not about race or colour or being a native, infact it's about government policy and business oppportunity. The government is tied to the EU and hence migrants from eastern europe looking for a better life are able to come to this country in droves. Also Britain is a soft touch in terms of political asylum, student visa's etc, which has attracted many more people.

The fact is there is now a great competittion for jobs, employers have taken advantage, they will hire the best staff at the cheapest price and unfortunately business in many cases have chosen migrants over the current population, and in alot of cases migrants have undercut and are willing to do overtime at 'normal' rate. Working in a company where there are over 2000 manual workers on one site, the majorirty of applicants are polish\eastern europeans, the so called natives aren't interested in doing manual work. And if you speak to the management, and supervisors of the manual workers, they all say the same, the migrants are harder workers, better time keepers and cause less hassle (sick days etc). I know this isn't the case everywhere but majoirty of work is of the manual labour type and would be a sample judgement to your stats.

This is not racism against native white, this is combination of government policy, competition and a society which has become dependant on benefits. This effects everyone, my family, your family and including those that are migrating here. We all have people we know that have lost out to the system, I have family members that are manual workers, mechanics etc that have lost out to cheaper workers. I think in general, we all agree that immigration needs to be controlled and those with the skills that this nation requires should be welcomed here!!

Thrac, it would be a pleasure to have a beer with you, you haven't been in the Swan for ages????

[broughtonblue]

Get ready to put your turban on Thrac, cus it's gonna happen!!

You see Thrac, in the punjab, the Baniye (hindu's) get all the government jobs etc of high position, eg at airports etc etc. After 1984, and the movement for Khalistan, there is no Sikh in the punjab at a high enough position to influence any political or government agenda, and punjab is the only state that has no real control over it's resources, eg it produces the cheapest electricity which gets shipped to delhi at cost. In fact all top positions are from baniye from different states. 15% of all government jobs are by defualt given to 'low caste', so there is a stream of positive discrimination.

Going back to the topic, it's not about race or colour or being a native, infact it's about government policy and business oppportunity. The government is tied to the EU and hence migrants from eastern europe looking for a better life are able to come to this country in droves. Also Britain is a soft touch in terms of political asylum, student visa's etc, which has attracted many more people.

The fact is there is now a great competittion for jobs, employers have taken advantage, they will hire the best staff at the cheapest price and unfortunately business in many cases have chosen migrants over the current population, and in alot of cases migrants have undercut and are willing to do overtime at 'normal' rate. Working in a company where there are over 2000 manual workers on one site, the majorirty of applicants are polish\eastern europeans, the so called natives aren't interested in doing manual work. And if you speak to the management, and supervisors of the manual workers, they all say the same, the migrants are harder workers, better time keepers and cause less hassle (sick days etc). I know this isn't the case everywhere but majoirty of work is of the manual labour type and would be a sample judgement to your stats.

This is not racism against native white, this is combination of government policy, competition and a society which has become dependant on benefits. This effects everyone, my family, your family and including those that are migrating here. We all have people we know that have lost out to the system, I have family members that are manual workers, mechanics etc that have lost out to cheaper workers. I think in general, we all agree that immigration needs to be controlled and those with the skills that this nation requires should be welcomed here!!

Thrac, it would be a pleasure to have a beer with you, you haven't been in the Swan for ages????

Dr Singh, you talk a lot of sense.

[Thracian]

Dr Singh, you talk a lot of sense.

He does indeed and there is nothing in what he says that I disagree with as far as it goes. But he knows, as I know, that Labour, starting with Blair, let in far more people than they even dare admit to and deliberately deceived people into thinking the figures were lower and more reasonable.

Any fair-minded thinker would have realised the problems this would cause because in reality the home workforce was never facing a level playing field (for a whole lot of reasons I won't bother to go into).

The effect was that Labour introduced heaps of unfair competition and that was the start of their personal discrimination against the native workforce. That discrimination has grown relentlessly and is increasingly being tolerated in other directions, as I've illustrated. Put simply Labour blatantly and, to coin a phrase, with malice aforethought, kicked the native male workforce in the wotsits. And kept kicking them in every way they could in the name of their self-serving social engineering.

PS: I look forward to that beer Singhy. I'll drop you an email address.

[broughtonblue]

He does indeed and there is nothing in what he says that I disagree with as far as it goes. But he knows, as I know, that Labour, starting with Blair, let in far more people than they even dare admit to and deliberately deceived people into thinking the figures were lower and more reasonable.

Any fair-minded thinker would have realised the problems this would cause because in reality the home workforce was never facing a level playing field (for a whole lot of reasons I won't bother to go into).

The effect was that Labour introduced heaps of unfair competition and that was the start of their personal discrimination against the native workforce. That discrimination has grown relentlessly and is increasingly being tolerated in other directions, as I've illustrated. Put simply Labour blatantly and, to coin a phrase, with malice aforethought, kicked the native male workforce in the wotsits. And kept kicking them in every way they could in the name of their self-serving social engineering.

PS: I look forward to that beer Singhy. I'll drop you an email address.

Got to say to even things up, I agree with many of your points in this thread and also on the forum. Labour have totally fooked this country in many ways, fortunately last time they did this we had maggie to make things right again, alas this time I don't see anybody with the 'balls' to do what is needed!

[Finnegan]

He does indeed and there is nothing in what he says that I disagree with as far as it goes.

But he's disagreeing with you. You've just done exactly what I said you'd do, again. .

So again. Is it a race issue or is it not, Thracian?