Kenners Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 Recently i've been reading up on the internet phenomenon that is 'Peak oil'. Do a quick google search and what you find might shock you, it stirred me a little bit. There are some serious pessimistic theories of what the future might hold, apocolypse-esque in their predictions. So, what do you think about it all? Some things that have interested me are Transition initiatives and towns, which whether you believe in this oil crash or not are a good idea imo. Hopefully im an easily scared guillable teen, but nothing ive read so far suggests so!
Jackirius Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 Can't be arsed to research it, paste it in.
FoxyPV Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 In the future I'll be leader of the world so you're all fooked
Father Ted Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 Economic intervention will limit this, no doubt but it can't forever so the sooner we start searching for alternatives the better. The problem is that the Global Population continues to grow and if you look at statistics, the growth since the industrial revolution is unreal. Although, imo the future is looking good, despite medicine improving, thus death rate decreasing, birth rates are decreasing rapidly as Less developed countries become more developed, become more educated on contraception and there isn't as much of a burden to have children - who are often had to work to bring more money into the family. In more developed countries, birth rate is also declining as women look for careers and couples see children as a financial burden. I believe that there is that much technology now that alternatives will be found and along with it a solution, let's just hope the fight for oil doesn't harm any chance of doing so, as without a doubt in my mind, America solely invaded Iraq for the oil. Six months before 9/11 they went into Iraq - citing the reason to improve the West's access to iraqi Oil (they are believed to have the second largest oil reserves in the world behind Canada) and then after 9/11 cite fighting the taliban as the reason. Although, a massive war could also save us, if millions were wiped out and we started from clean again, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I'm looking on the bright side.
Asha Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 Recently i've been reading up on the internet phenomenon that is 'Peak oil'. Do a quick google search and what you find might shock you, it stirred me a little bit. There are some serious pessimistic theories of what the future might hold, apocolypse-esque in their predictions. So, what do you think about it all? Some things that have interested me are Transition initiatives and towns, which whether you believe in this oil crash or not are a good idea imo. Hopefully im an easily scared guillable teen, but nothing ive read so far suggests so! Easily scared, gullible teen - That could easily describe me in four words. There will always be apocalyptic predictions and stuff - and if we allow ourselves to get worried about them we're only wasting our time. At the end of the day, what's the point? In being worried, I mean. We're all going to die anyway. Whatever happens, bear in mind you're in the same boat as everyone one else and that you've got a God that loves you
Asha Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 You've copied and pasted that. Basic Geography! Malthus was predicting this shit centuries ago.
Jackirius Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 Basic Geography! Malthus was predicting this shit centuries ago. Don't ever say his name, or Bentham. I have just done a 4000 word essay on his views on the poor.
Asha Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 Don't ever say his name, or Bentham. I have just done a 4000 word essay on his views on the poor. Sorry! In lessons I refer to him as Roy anyway , see if you can spot why.
Jackirius Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 Scratch that, he looks more like Piers Morgan.
Mee Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 There might be a Messi working on the oil rigs and then they close down and he is given a trial at Leicester, and he single handedly takes us up. When we are up, Robbie Neilson scores a 50 yard belter and we win the champions league. Oh yes.
ajthefox Posted 28 November 2010 Posted 28 November 2010 Recently i've been reading up on the internet phenomenon that is 'Peak oil'. Do a quick google search and what you find might shock you, it stirred me a little bit. There are some serious pessimistic theories of what the future might hold, apocolypse-esque in their predictions. So, what do you think about it all? Some things that have interested me are Transition initiatives and towns, which whether you believe in this oil crash or not are a good idea imo. Hopefully im an easily scared guillable teen, but nothing ive read so far suggests so! You are. I wouldn't worry about it anyway, it just wastes time. Just do your own bit, it's all anyone can really..
Kenners Posted 28 November 2010 Author Posted 28 November 2010 Peak oil debunked post 307, 'Confessions of an ex-doomer' on that blog was a very interesting read, exposing flaws in the 'peak oil armageddon' argument. His conclusion was particularly interesting and optimistic, reflecting what I'm thinking. The doomers are right about one thing - fossil energy sources aren't going to see us through the 21rst century. But if we don't change course soon, the way forward isn't going to be an agrarian utopia. It will be powered, at least in the US and for the remainder of my life, by coal. The environmental effects of that (primarily sea level rise from global warming) aren't the legacy I want to leave to future generations. @Father Ted: I'm no expert on ecomonomics or sociology or anything of that sort but the increase of population is something else that i've been thinking of. It may be a slightly simplistic view but obviously increase of population equals the decrease of land. While the uk isn't overpopulated I would find it hard to imagine it solely being able to supply an evergrowing population with the luxury foods we're used to without massively importing like we do now. When fuels become more expensive so would imported products; the more fuel spent transporting the products/produce, the more money it is going to cost. This is what the pessimists believe to be the crucial downfall of modern civilisation. Its almost logical: the more food costs, the less people can afford it and the more people go without. They'll be an increase of local farms and farms up and down the country but whether the turnaround would be quick enough is doubtful and with no alternatives to imported food then food will become more and more scarce. This could result in more widespread poverty, even starvation in the LEDC's which of course would limit the amount of people able to live on the local harvest and if you believe the internet it would cause modern civilisation to collapse. So, back to population, sooner or later something is going to have to become a limiting factor on population if we want to be a sustainable civilisation. As you said it could be society that begins to limit population as people just stop wanting children, but I believe it will be oil(or lack of) that will limit population and along with a movement towards sustainable foods/societies maybe it will be a good thing? Not very scientific, just how i see things at the minute. Whats clear is that we can't just wait around for it to happen and 'go with the flow'. Those government adverts and the eco-nagging have finally sunk in.
FoxyPV Posted 29 November 2010 Posted 29 November 2010 Yet we sit here discussing this on the internet using massive amounts of power burning ever more fuel needlessly...
Jackirius Posted 29 November 2010 Posted 29 November 2010 Yet we sit here discussing this on the internet using massive amounts of power burning ever more fuel needlessly... Whats with the new Jungle Book theme?
FoxyPV Posted 29 November 2010 Posted 29 November 2010 Just fancied a change after I got that song in my head. I will be taking requests.
Collier Posted 29 November 2010 Posted 29 November 2010 You come in here expecting to read a thread along the lines of: 'In the future I want to be a pro tennis player' Instead you get a load of depressing takes on the end of the world, a sense of inadequacy at not knowing what Asha labels 'basic geography,' and a boner.
Finnegan Posted 29 November 2010 Posted 29 November 2010 Anyone feeling a sense of inadequacy as a result of NSLL's posts obviously hasn't read enough of them.
The Doctor Posted 29 November 2010 Posted 29 November 2010 this is a graph of oil production, we've just entered the orange section, note where the orange section ends. We have 190 years to find an alternative fuel supply + thing for making plastics, or to perfect space travel, find a planet with vast oil reserves and invade the fookers. (my betting's on mars or somewhere outside our solar system). Also we have alternative fuel sources, natural gas (there's thousands of cows & termites belching out tonnes of it every day, find away to harness them and collect the gas), Coal, wind power, biodiesel, tidal power. stop worrying and enjoy life. edit: i'm looking foward to reading el empty's views on this. 2nd edit: there's the same graph, from a different website so finnegan will stop moaning.
Asha Posted 29 November 2010 Posted 29 November 2010 We worry about lack of space for population etc, but statistically the whole population of the world could fit on the Isle of Wight. Nobody would have space to wank or whatever, but it's still possible. For every LEDC's that's approaching (or exceeding) its' realistic carrying capacity, there's a Russia or Australia with masses of space. I wouldn't worry about that yet.
The Doctor Posted 29 November 2010 Posted 29 November 2010 We worry about lack of space for population etc, but statistically the whole population of the world could fit on the Isle of Wight. Nobody would have space to wank or whatever, but it's still possible. For every LEDC's that's approaching (or exceeding) its' realistic carrying capacity, there's a Russia or Australia with masses of space. I wouldn't worry about that yet. but how much of that extra space in russia & australia is actually inhabitable and not just filled with spiders, snakes etc. (australia) or is too cold/infertile for any plant life to survive there + too remote to ship in food stuffs (russia) ? Anyways:
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