Greg2607 Posted 27 January 2011 Posted 27 January 2011 Manchester United ....... I have Manchester United haven't consistently bought youngsters through to play REGULARLY in the first team, yes they had the crop of Giggs, Scholes and Beckham, but since then, O'Shea? hardly a top performer, Johnny Evans? again, hardly their answer to Rio Ferdinand....When was the last time they bought through a quality striker that scores 20 goals a season for them? or a commanding central defender.... The reality is, that at any club, the Academy will produce a small percentage of players that make the grade at THAT level.
Greg2607 Posted 27 January 2011 Posted 27 January 2011 Man U have of course had Ferguson at the helm for years but the academies are meant to be run without outside influence from the current manager aren't they, that's the point of having their own manager/director But surely the best chance a player has of being successful is by playing a certain way. If he excels in the academy, (lets say for example, playing a direct style such as that adopted by pearson) and then is expected to step up and play in the first team under sven, who plays a totally different style, they have to cope with both the increased standard and not knowing their job. Whereas if you have the same style adopted throughout your club, all the player has to cope with is the increased standards, as he SHOULD know his job inside and out!!
Thracian Posted 27 January 2011 Posted 27 January 2011 But the reality here is that not every player WILL make it, when you look to the upper echelons of the premier league, how many players in the top 4's academy have broken through to end up playing REGULARLY in the first 11? take Liverpool as an example, are the most recent two that have gone on to any level of success Gerrard and Carragher? How about Man Utd?, Chelsea? Ok, I accept that these clubs operate in a different sphere to Leicester, and yes, maybe we SHOULD have been trying to blood our youngsters more readily, however, with the managerial change that we have endured since Martin O'neil left, how on earth could we have produced talent that would fit into the first team? each manager that came on board had a need for immediate results and each bought a different philosphy on how the game should be played. Surely, one of sways to develop talent that will eventually go through and progress to the first team is to ensure a consistent message, a consistent style of play, consistent "footballing beliefs". We haven't even been able to do that with the first team. So no, our academy ISN'T rubbish, we produce players that gain honours at international level (both junior and full hounours), we produce players who have gone on to enjoy professional footballing careers. It is unrealistic to think we will produce 10 "emile heskeys" or "andy kings"...... Name a team that has done this Consistently AND achieved major success.......you wont. I hear endless excuses about why we can't develop Academy players through to club or even full international status - and that's what they are to a great extent - excuses made by managers and directors who find it much easier and quicker to try to buy the success/ready-made players that they, the television people and the fans crave, rather than to develop the players themselves. Cos, before the days of quick and easy world travel, global brand concepts, significant European competition and human rights legislation, we sure used to develop good players right across the British Isles, and lots of em. But you are right without a doubt and it raises the question. Why run expensive Academies at all, other than as a social service? For the most part, first team wise, it must be an exercise in almost continual frustration. Not every player made it even in the past. But a lot more home developed players did come through - and went on to be top players - because they got the opportunity to establish hemselves and because they weren't displaced by competition from all over the world. Today. the only real interest is in keeping the cravy train firmly on the rails. The kids are a distant afterthought.
grth2004 Posted 27 January 2011 Posted 27 January 2011 Surely you cant compare us to alot of the top prem teams because they buy there kids young then bring them through the youth teams , i think alex ferguson looks good on paper but when hes bribing the kids parents to come and play for man utd its not realy the same.
accessory Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 In the last 10 years, all the folowing have come up through the academy and have either played for the city, or have been on the bench, including :- Conrad logan Joe Mattock, Richard Stearman, Damien Delaney, Alan Sheehan, Matt Heath, Jordon Stewart Andy King, Steve Dawson, James Wesolowski, Max Gradel Matt Piper Chris O'Grady Others I can think of include, Tommy Wright Leon McSweeney and Tomi Petrescue Delaney was bought from Cork, while I think King and Gradel went through other Academies (Chelsea and Arsenal?) before coming to us.
puff Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 Both King and Gradel werre signed by the academy after being released by other academies. Both are playing regularly in two teams pushing for promotion to the Premiership. Imagine the outcry there would be on the forum were it the other way around. To the best of my knowledge the academny have not released any youngsters who are currently playing at the level of either Gradel or King. Delaney was signed as a result of the tie up between the academy and Cork, as were several youngsters at that time. I think he initially played for the youth team, but would not argue the point as my memory fails me. Big teams have big budgets and big academies and are therefore able to attract the best young talent. We are not in that position. Leicester Tigers rugby team are one of the best two teams in England. They have a big academy. The vast majority of their team playing against Exeter this weekend are academy products. I agree with those post that are supportive of the academy, the points about budgets and continuty are well made. Most coaches of Sunday morning pub sides are very well meaning and well intentioned, but I know who I would rather have as a coach. Keep up the good work John Rudhin and staff!
milsey Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 Both King and Gradel werre signed by the academy after being released by other academies. Both are playing regularly in two teams pushing for promotion to the Premiership. Imagine the outcry there would be on the forum were it the other way around. To the best of my knowledge the academny have not released any youngsters who are currently playing at the level of either Gradel or King. Delaney was signed as a result of the tie up between the academy and Cork, as were several youngsters at that time. I think he initially played for the youth team, but would not argue the point as my memory fails me. Big teams have big budgets and big academies and are therefore able to attract the best young talent. We are not in that position. Leicester Tigers rugby team are one of the best two teams in England. They have a big academy. The vast majority of their team playing against Exeter this weekend are academy products. I agree with those post that are supportive of the academy, the points about budgets and continuty are well made. Most coaches of Sunday morning pub sides are very well meaning and well intentioned, but I know who I would rather have as a coach. Keep up the good work John Rudhin and staff! I CAN NAME A PLAYER- LUKE VARNEY!!!!!!
Salieri Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 Varney didn't come through our academy, did he?
milsey Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 he was on leicesters books and they let him go telling him he'd never make a pro footballer!!!! FACT.
milsey Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 how is chambers playing at the level of gradel????? hes at york city!!
Jimmy Posted 28 January 2011 Author Posted 28 January 2011 Ash Chambers? he's played about 4 games as did many others people on here have named such as Delaney and Dawson
jamesmilner Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 the facilities at belvoir drive need a revamp , the dome is dangerous, the gym is outdated , and the place isn't big enough . considering this weve done ok . a move will have to happen to get us on the up . if you see the likes of derby countys facilities and the ultimate in chelseas then its obvious we need to move . i do think they do well all things considered.
Dom_Harborough Fox Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 the facilities at belvoir drive need a revamp , the dome is dangerous, the gym is outdated , and the place isn't big enough . considering this weve done ok . a move will have to happen to get us on the up . if you see the likes of derby countys facilities and the ultimate in chelseas then its obvious we need to move . i do think they do well all things considered. I've heard rumours that we might be planning to sell/redevelop the training ground and train at loughborough university in the meantime. Not sure if that's still going to happen though. Haven't heard anything for a while.
Fox1651 Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 I've heard rumours that we might be planning to sell/redevelop the training ground and train at loughborough university in the meantime. Not sure if that's still going to happen though. Haven't heard anything for a while. ive heard rumours that we are going to share Barcelon'a training facility whilst we redevelop ours
I am Rod Hull Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 Lets hope George Taft can make the grade.
The Doctor Posted 28 January 2011 Posted 28 January 2011 taft get's england call-up A regular in the Academy side, the 17-year-old defender has also proved himself at reserve team level for the Foxes this season. Have i missed something?
puff Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 he was on leicesters books and they let him go telling him he'd never make a pro footballer!!!! FACT. Players develop at different ages. The fact that no club decided to offer him a professional contract until he was 20, speaks volumes. All clubs have an extensive network of scouts and lots would have looked at him. Moost clubs have payment structures whereby the scout who spots the player is paid increasing amounts, depending upon who well they progress. If a player makes becomes an international,. the money can be quite stubstantial. Players who are release are just not told they will never ever make a pro. Quite often the parents asks why the youngster has been released and the reasons are explained to them.
jamesmilner Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 the thais are trying to buy ymca and the cricket pitch next door to completely revamp the facilities , loughborogh will be last resort .
fosseman Posted 29 January 2011 Posted 29 January 2011 Based on the number who have made it to the first team, our Academy hasn't been anything special. However, based on the results of games played, the lads would seem to have done well. We surely need to be in a reserve league to enable them to gain enough experience to make the step up to the first team.
sg6 Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 Four Indonesian lads to come over and train with the academy- obviously due to our owners My link
Dom_Harborough Fox Posted 30 January 2011 Posted 30 January 2011 taft get's england call-up Have i missed something? We do have a reserve team which plays specially arranged fixtures with other reserve teams as far as I know. We're just not in an official reserve league any more, like we used to be. If that's what you were getting at?
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