davieG Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 Seems to be a few doing one or thinking of it, might be of interest ITV 1 @ 7.30 Tonight Looking at whether a degree helps you get a better job / bigger salary.
Matt Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 When I was out of work I looked at the courses at college to better myself in my career and there was a Carpentry and Joinery degree when I enquired about the course they said the apprenticeship I had was a better qualification, it was just a case of the word degree would look better on a CV. I ended up doing a CAD course instead.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 I think one from a good university can, but I reckon whether you're a feckless get or not ultimately determines where you get in life. They've made it easier for feckless gets to go to university and my perception is they're still feckless gets when they come out. University might help you realise your potential but if you've not got any there's only so much they can do with you
davieG Posted 3 February 2011 Author Posted 3 February 2011 I think one from a good university can, but I reckon whether you're a feckless get or not ultimately determines where you get in life. They've made it easier for feckless gets to go to university and my perception is they're still feckless gets when they come out. University might help you realise your potential but if you've not got any there's only so much they can do with you However from my experience there are now many more jobs that require a degree just to get an interview and some of that is down to those defining the job requirements talking up the need for a degree as it invariably means more money for them being incumbents in the job, so it's self perpetuating to a degree (no pun intended). Although some organisations do stipulate 'degree or equivalent experience'
Zingari Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 When I was out of work I looked at the courses at college to better myself in my career and there was a Carpentry and Joinery degree when I enquired about the course they said the apprenticeship I had was a better qualification, it was just a case of the word degree would look better on a CV. I ended up doing a CAD course instead. i'd like to be a qualified cad ,
Matt Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 i'd like to be a qualified cad , It was ok, not really what I expected, although got the general idea of the software, I did do it as another option or a different aspect of my career but sitting in an office all day everyday is my idea of hell, having said that it gives me a lead into the occupation, something to fall back on if I ever needed it and if I ever do decide to get my own buisiness I will also have a basic idea of it.
davieG Posted 3 February 2011 Author Posted 3 February 2011 It was ok, not really what I expected, although got the general idea of the software, I did do it as another option or a different aspect of my career but sitting in an office all day everyday is my idea of hell, having said that it gives me a lead into the occupation, something to fall back on if I ever needed it and if I ever do decide to get my own buisiness I will also have a basic idea of it. I did a Cad (Engineering) and an Ecad (Electronic PCBs) course both were just a week long though.
Joe. Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 One one of my mate's Facebook statuses. According to the programme: BA Hons Sport Journalism is "everything that is wrong with the university landscape at the moment." I swear these people have no idea what actually goes into the degree. Mine personally has so many aspects that are non-sport related, i.e. central and local government, shorthand, law. I haven't seen it myself so I can't comment on the context of the statement (so correct me if I'm wrong), but it seems a ridiculous thing to say.
Fosse Boy Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 One one of my mate's Facebook statuses. According to the programme: BA Hons Sport Journalism is "everything that is wrong with the university landscape at the moment." I swear these people have no idea what actually goes into the degree. Mine personally has so many aspects that are non-sport related, i.e. central and local government, shorthand, law. I haven't seen it myself so I can't comment on the context of the statement (so correct me if I'm wrong), but it seems a ridiculous thing to say. What speed you at?
Joe. Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 What speed you at? Ha, don't get me started. I can read it pretty well, but when it comes to writing it's a struggle. Can just about get by at 40wpm with the book next to me. But only just. Going to have to put so much work in to get anywhere near the 100 they want. The 60 by the end of this year is looking very far away... what about you?
Fosse Boy Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 Ha, don't get me started. I can read it pretty well, but when it comes to writing it's a struggle. Can just about get by at 40wpm with the book next to me. But only just. Going to have to put so much work in to get anywhere near the 100 they want. The 60 by the end of this year is looking very far away... what about you? Working at 70/80 at the moment. The slog's worth it, I've started using it in daily life too which helps (also makes me a massive sadcase). Well off passing 100 though. Back on subject, a degree is only ever as micky mouse as the people who take it. As long as the motivation and desire to do well in a chosen field is there for the person studying then they'll get their reward when they come to present their CV to potential bosses. If someone's doing a degreee because they've got no idea what they want to do with their life and fancy a few years monging out then it's going to reflect badly on all the people who choose that course, whether that be Classics, Media Studies or Golf Course Management.
lavrentis Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 The degree which I am starting in September has been on every job requirement I have seen for the job I would like to do in the future. I don't understand people who take degrees to see where it takes them, rather than taking the degree because you know it is the best one to take in the field you would like to work in.
Fosse Boy Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 The degree which I am starting in September has been on every job requirement I have seen for the job I would like to do in the future. I don't understand people who take degrees to see where it takes them, rather than taking the degree because you know it is the best one to take in the field you would like to work in. I think a lot of pressure is put on by the schools who want to push as many of their Sixth Form leavers as they can into universities because it makes them look good, so these kids aren't to blame entirely. A little bit of independent thought wouldn't go amiss on their part - granted, but when the schools are pushing a culture of gounidontreallymaterwhatcoursejustmakeournumberslookgoodokbye it doesn't exactly help stem the flow of kids doing pointless degrees.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 I find a degree might help you get in to an entry level position but after that it's based on experience. Unless it is a specfic role
ajthefox Posted 3 February 2011 Posted 3 February 2011 I think a lot of pressure is put on by the schools who want to push as many of their Sixth Form leavers as they can into universities because it makes them look good, so these kids aren't to blame entirely. A little bit of independent thought wouldn't go amiss on their part - granted, but when the schools are pushing a culture of gounidontreallymaterwhatcoursejustmakeournumberslookgoodokbye it doesn't exactly help stem the flow of kids doing pointless degrees. Couldn't agree more. People moan about the students going to university but from my experience colleges are fvcking useless when it comes to showing you the alternatives, which by rights they should do. Going to university is rammed down your throat at 6th form, it's all we ever heard and a massive part of the blame for fees going up should be the education system and how little it really educates teenagers with regard to where they can go in life. Fortunately I knew what I wanted to do a couple of years before I'd even done my GCSE's, but **** knows where I'd be if not. It goes without saying that GCSE's, A-levels etc aren't going to teach you how to live and ultimately if you've got any sense you'll make your own luck and you'll be fine, but it's no surprise that there are so many people my age who through almost no fault of their own end up spunking no end of time and money up the wall.
Matt Posted 4 February 2011 Posted 4 February 2011 Jesus Christ, the points made in this thread mirror the points i've been [trying] to get out on here for years, probably even while I was at school was [trying] to make these points yet people seem to be offended by me or disagree and argue with me for having the views. I think I put things into too many words and then that causes the arguements or something?!
z-layrex Posted 4 February 2011 Posted 4 February 2011 There is something that slightly bugs me. While I qualified as a nurse, it isn't a degree, its a H E diploma. This means I qualify the same level as someone who did the degree, but they have better options for moving into management, research etc. I can top up to a degree when I decide to specialize. my point is, when I read the essays of friends doing full blown 4 year degrees in what have you (politics, media, English etc) the quality of the essays are laughable compared to what we had to do for our nursing diplomas, and yet they get A's and B's. It's troubling tbh.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 4 February 2011 Posted 4 February 2011 Back on subject, a degree is only ever as micky mouse as the people who take it. As long as the motivation and desire to do well in a chosen field is there for the person studying then they'll get their reward when they come to present their CV to potential bosses. If someone's doing a degreee because they've got no idea what they want to do with their life and fancy a few years monging out then it's going to reflect badly on all the people who choose that course, whether that be Classics, Media Studies or Golf Course Management. Abso-bloody-exactly. People with the right application, no matter what they choose to study, will reap the benefits.
Unit Posted 4 February 2011 Posted 4 February 2011 There is something that slightly bugs me. While I qualified as a nurse, it isn't a degree, its a H E diploma. This means I qualify the same level as someone who did the degree, but they have better options for moving into management, research etc. I can top up to a degree when I decide to specialize. my point is, when I read the essays of friends doing full blown 4 year degrees in what have you (politics, media, English etc) the quality of the essays are laughable compared to what we had to do for our nursing diplomas, and yet they get A's and B's. It's troubling tbh. I would argue against the part I've stuck in bold, having seen a lot of nursing H E diplomas I wouldn't call them amazing and there are very very few in comparison with a degree (I think one per term?) add that in with the fact H E students are getting paid for their time there in comparison with the shit ton of debt degree folk put up with I'd say that it's a fair playing field. I'm not knocking nurses at all, it's a fooking brilliant thing to get into and is appreciated by all but if you wanted to get into the purely academic side then surely a nursing degree would have been a better starting point? From what I've been told the nursing H E is a direct way to get into nursing for people who want to be nurses, not people who want to be writing books about nursing. (That sounded condescending, it isn't meant to be but i'm too tired to re-word it!)
z-layrex Posted 4 February 2011 Posted 4 February 2011 I would argue against the part I've stuck in bold, having seen a lot of nursing H E diplomas I wouldn't call them amazing and there are very very few in comparison with a degree (I think one per term?) add that in with the fact H E students are getting paid for their time there in comparison with the shit ton of debt degree folk put up with I'd say that it's a fair playing field. I'm not knocking nurses at all, it's a fooking brilliant thing to get into and is appreciated by all but if you wanted to get into the purely academic side then surely a nursing degree would have been a better starting point? From what I've been told the nursing H E is a direct way to get into nursing for people who want to be nurses, not people who want to be writing books about nursing. (That sounded condescending, it isn't meant to be but i'm too tired to re-word it!) No i totally get what you mean and you are right, the diploma is generally for those who are less academic and want to go the more practical route. what I meant was, I have a number of friends doing rather long, intense degrees, and they work really hard and are getting good grades. But when I proof read their work for them sometimes, what I'm reading seems a lot... 'more basic' than what I had to do for my diploma, which doesn't make sense to me.
dave the caveman Posted 4 February 2011 Posted 4 February 2011 I think a lot of pressure is put on by the schools who want to push as many of their Sixth Form leavers as they can into universities because it makes them look good, so these kids aren't to blame entirely. A little bit of independent thought wouldn't go amiss on their part - granted, but when the schools are pushing a culture of gounidontreallymaterwhatcoursejustmakeournumberslookgoodokbye it doesn't exactly help stem the flow of kids doing pointless degrees. What better way to trap young people into the work-to-buy-consumer-crap culture than forcing them to make early, and therefore often wrong, decisions regarding their career while at the same time drowning them in debt? They can't afford to quit, can't afford to change direction. All they can really do is live in quiet desperation, paying taxes of course, while chasing the goverment controlled illusion that we used to call the Jones'.
Zingari Posted 4 February 2011 Posted 4 February 2011 What better way to trap young people into the work-to-buy-consumer-crap culture than forcing them to make early, and therefore often wrong, decisions regarding their career while at the same time drowning them in debt? They can't afford to quit, can't afford to change direction. All they can really do is live in quiet desperation, paying taxes of course, while chasing the goverment controlled illusion that we used to call the Jones'. have you just read this book ?
FoxyPV Posted 4 February 2011 Posted 4 February 2011 i'd like to be a qualified cad , You already are
Trav Le Bleu Posted 4 February 2011 Posted 4 February 2011 These days surely this all depends on the quality of the paper it's printed on
Christoph Posted 4 February 2011 Posted 4 February 2011 A lot of people will say degrees are mickey mouse etc, but a lot of degrees show employers that the person has knowledgable data collecting skills, essay writing skills and independent in learning. So i'm not sure really. If I had a child who wanted to do film studies because they enjoyed films, I wouldnt stop them because they might not get a job from it
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