Ive got the blues Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Waghorn saved a lot of backsides last night, including Sven's. He could and should have been brought on a lot earlier. The midfield was shocking during the second half - the worst I've seen from them since the Sousa era. As for Ricardo, he's no better than Ikeme or Kirkland. Bothroyd, Bellamy and co will relish the thought of playing against him on Tuesday. We need Weale back asap! Im sorry but talk about overreacting, 'saved a lot of backsides' 'should have been brought on earlier' etc. are just thoughts in hindsight or making out that a draw would have been some great disaster. Sven will make more informed decisions than any of us and some will naturally not work out. It seems he is getting the majority right and I am amazed at how well he has done since he came in. I am also amazed at some of the negativity around even when doing this well. I am not saying we cannot look to discuss ways to improve, merely false negativity just to have an opinion. Yes disappointing display when Bristol upped their game but firstly we won, secondly if it was a draw it would have maintained an unbeaten run at home since October. We simply cannot become fans who expect to win every week, it does not happen in football, the main positives are that even if we lose we bounce straight back - something that when Sven came in started to happen. Fingers crossed we continue this rich run of form.
MattyFromLE Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 I think Bamba, Mee, Waggy were stand out performers last night. As much as a good, solid model professional Oakley is - last night, he look 2 yards too slow. Gave the ball away countless amounts of time; as did Wellens. I think, without Abe our midfield 3 lack a bit of quality and pace. When Abe did come on - we shot ourselves in the foot by taking off Wellens - although, he didn't show any reason why he should be on the pitch. I don't wanna seem that i'm whipping Oakley because i don't like him - but he was so frustrating to watch last night. And as for boo'ing Ricardo. Get a fooking grip.
lcfc_jme Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 As for Ricardo, he's no better than Ikeme or Kirkland. Bothroyd, Bellamy and co will relish the thought of playing against him on Tuesday. We need Weale back asap! Yeah definitely, that same Bellamy who loves scoring goals from outside the penalty area. Not to mention that Whittingham chap who does the same. Bet they'd shit their pants if Chris "18 yards or closer" Weale was in goal. Absolutely shit their pants. For what it's worth, judging by the sounds of yesterday (because I feel at Derby Ricardo had a decent-enough game) I'd agree with bringing Weale back in, but he's hardly flawless himself and is susceptible to an absolute horror show or two, especially considering the calibre of long-range shooting we'll be up against.
MattyFromLE Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Yeah definitely, that same Bellamy who loves scoring goals from outside the penalty area. Not to mention that Whittingham chap who does the same. Bet they'd shit their pants if Chris "18 yards or closer" Weale was in goal. Absolutely shit their pants. Answer to stop conceding 18+ yards out? Stop letting them shoot. Yes, 50% of the goals conceded from that range Weale could have done better...but, why are we allowed teams who we are aware they can let fly the time to take a shot? I think Ricardo and Weale are both more than capable; i look at it like this; Weale in goal, with Logan as back up and there's no competition, or 2 similar level Goalkeepers upping each others games because they both wanna start
Rich Fox Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Such a lot of moaners on here, rubbish thread. Does anyone remember the Bristol away game when we battered them and didnt win? What comes round goes round and a side thet plays poor and wins is a side who is going up. Thought we deserved to win anyway. Sol Bamba looks awesome to me I would say he is the best defender we have ever had.
lcfc_jme Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Answer to stop conceding 18+ yards out? Stop letting them shoot. Yes, 50% of the goals conceded from that range Weale could have done better...but, why are we allowed teams who we are aware they can let fly the time to take a shot? I think Ricardo and Weale are both more than capable; i look at it like this; Weale in goal, with Logan as back up and there's no competition, or 2 similar level Goalkeepers upping each others games because they both wanna start Oh believe me, I fully agree. Putting pressure on teams when they're in our final third and not giving them the time to settle on the ball or get a shot away is vital and should be a given, really. I was just pointing out that Weale is not the solution to every goalkeeping problem in the world and has his own faults - faults which could be ruthlessly exploited by a side containing Cardiff's players. Bellamy's goal against Swansea showed that pressuring the ball won't even stop him if he connects properly; minimal back-lift generated a ridiculous amount of power and no 'keeper going would've saved it. Having a man of Ricardo's ability (yes, ability, because his amount of international caps for a good international side do not come for being shit) and experience in and around the squad can only be good. It's no coincidence that Weale suddenly started playing better when Ricardo was just about / actually signed and preparing for his debut.
MattyFromLE Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Oh believe me, I fully agree. Putting pressure on teams when they're in our final third and not giving them the time to settle on the ball or get a shot away is vital and should be a given, really. I was just pointing out that Weale is not the solution to every goalkeeping problem in the world and has his own faults - faults which could be ruthlessly exploited by a side containing Cardiff's players. Bellamy's goal against Swansea showed that pressuring the ball won't even stop him if he connects properly; minimal back-lift generated a ridiculous amount of power and no 'keeper going would've saved it. Having a man of Ricardo's ability (yes, ability, because his amount of international caps for a good international side do not come for being shit) and experience in and around the squad can only be good. It's no coincidence that Weale suddenly started playing better when Ricardo was just about / actually signed and preparing for his debut. Spot on!
Corky Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 We were fortunate to win last night, but I'll take the points. Waghorn deserves a start on Tuesday, he was lively, involved, showed aggression and top quality with the winning goal. You could see how much it meant to him, brilliant. First half we started well, got the goal and we pretty comfortable, second half we didn't come out, the equaliser was no surprise and they could have added to it. However, we should've retaken the lead with a breakaway that Oakley missed, though Dyer should've taken control of the situation as it was on his favoured side. Positives for me were Bamba, who was superb, and Waghorn. We've still got a lot of work to do but that goal, and the extra two points it brought, could be so crucial at the end of the season.
bardonfox Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Does anyone know why Yakubu got a booking? I was in the kop but I couldn't figure out why. If anyone can shed some light on this, it would be appreciated. Thanks
ajthefox Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Well, what a massive, massive goal that was from Waggy. First half was quality and again, when we got into our rhythm the opposing side just couldn't handle the movement, the passing and the pace of it all. Second half was a poor display though, Bristol came out looking bright and at times we looked absolutely hopeless. There is still an air of unease at times and our defence being made up of 3 loanees is definitely one of the problems because it would seem there is little communication. Bamba ran the show at the back again, one thing in particular was a goal saving interception in the first half. Ricardo was poor and should be dropped imo. Terrible distribution (much worse than Weale) and handling worse than what'd you'd see from a schoolboy, genuinely. It looked like we might even have lost at one point last night, but fortunately, after the crowd really started going for it we got back into it and as I said at the start of my post, that goal from Waggy was huuuuuuuuuuuge. The importance of that goal is not to be underestimated, puts big pressure on those above us and especially since 4 of the top 6 are playing each other. What a finish it was as well. I was expecting a cross but my oh my did he hit that sweet. Not sure what Sven was doing bringing Waggy on so late though, me and my dad both said when he came on that 6 minutes play is just silly. Granted Waggy won it for us but Sven definitely could've brought him on earlier. As for the yaks booking, I didn't see it properly so I don't know if it was his fault or not but when James went to throw it out Yakubu was infront of him and James ended up on the floor. Seemed harsh but if it was deliberate I can see why the Yak got booked for it.
Webbo Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Does anyone know why Yakubu got a booking? I was in the kop but I couldn't figure out why. If anyone can shed some light on this, it would be appreciated. Thanks I didn't see quite what happened but David James fell flat on his back just before the booking.
Corky Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Does anyone know why Yakubu got a booking? I was in the kop but I couldn't figure out why. If anyone can shed some light on this, it would be appreciated. Thanks Apparently he blocked James from releasing the ball. Though Mr James did make the most of it and the tumble wasn't really necessary.
iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Pretty poor/casual performance. Gave the ball away cheaply.They had a couple of good chances and were a bit unlucky, plenty of pace in their side which caused us a few problems. I'm a big fan of Wellens, King & Oakley at times, but the 3 of them were poor yesterday. Vassell has gone off the boil recently, think Waggy deserves a start in his place. Mee & Bamba are forming an excellent partnership, both played brilliantly again. Important 3 points. Can't wait to destroy Cov next weekend. At one stage in The Kop, we sang Leicester Leicester Leicesterrrr, honestly think it was the loudest I've heard in the past couple of years! Also those ***** called stewards were a joke again!
marbelladave Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Evening all. Couldn't make the game, fridays are impossible for me.... Still, reading through the threads it sounded like we played pretty poorly, listening to Stringer I really had little idea what was going on. Having seem most of our games in the last couple of months, I am going to take a punt and suggest that we were out hustled and out fought in midfield. Whenever we have failed to fire it as always been because we failed to control midfield, I've said it before, but as a unit our midfield simply does not get the job done when the opposition digs in and gives us a fight, it has been an issue all season and now that our expectations have been raised (promotion etc) it is really beginning to matter. As I have said many times before, our midfield is too samey, all four of those available are support players, bits and pieces players who do their job but are unable to really dominate. We really need a dominant personality in there, a real leader who can, sometimes, change a game for us on his own, it would appear no one currently on our books can do that. Without such a player the next few montha are going to be a really tough time.
MC Prussian Posted 19 February 2011 Posted 19 February 2011 Does anyone know why Yakubu got a booking? I was in the kop but I couldn't figure out why. If anyone can shed some light on this, it would be appreciated. Thanks If I remember correctly, the ref thought he had obstructed James when the latter wanted to kick the ball following an out-of-bounds. Thing is, James actually tripped clumsily and should've been booked himself instead for theatrical antics.
STUHILL Posted 20 February 2011 Posted 20 February 2011 Evening all. Couldn't make the game, fridays are impossible for me.... Still, reading through the threads it sounded like we played pretty poorly, listening to Stringer I really had little idea what was going on. Having seem most of our games in the last couple of months, I am going to take a punt and suggest that we were out hustled and out fought in midfield. Whenever we have failed to fire it as always been because we failed to control midfield, I've said it before, but as a unit our midfield simply does not get the job done when the opposition digs in and gives us a fight, it has been an issue all season and now that our expectations have been raised (promotion etc) it is really beginning to matter. As I have said many times before, our midfield is too samey, all four of those available are support players, bits and pieces players who do their job but are unable to really dominate. We really need a dominant personality in there, a real leader who can, sometimes, change a game for us on his own, it would appear no one currently on our books can do that. Without such a player the next few montha are going to be a really tough time. I think Wellens is that player. Just look at the way he bossed Man City and rightly deserved his player of the month award. He is a true leader in the middle and is a complete midfielder who likes to pick the ball up and make things happen. When he plays badly, so do we. He was poor yesterday and we really missed his influence in the middle. He should be captain in my opinion but King is doing ok I guess. The only failing side to his game, is his lack of goals which I agree is needed but the rest of his game can be sublime and he is one of the best midfielders in this league.
marbelladave Posted 20 February 2011 Posted 20 February 2011 I think Wellens is that player. Just look at the way he bossed Man City and rightly deserved his player of the month award. He is a true leader in the middle and is a complete midfielder who likes to pick the ball up and make things happen. When he plays badly, so do we. He was poor yesterday and we really missed his influence in the middle. He should be captain in my opinion but King is doing ok I guess. The only failing side to his game, is his lack of goals which I agree is needed but the rest of his game can be sublime and he is one of the best midfielders in this league. I think this is a very one eyed view. What you say is correct if we are in control, in this case he can bully the opposition and play with a degree of arrogance but when real fight and ability is needed when we are not on top then he is found wanting. Similarly his attacking play is not good enough, despite recent improvements he still dwells on the ball, giving the opposition time to get organised. When he does try to find the right pass it is played into a defence that is well set and in control. Contrast this with the play of, say, Naughton and van Aanhold, who get the ball forward quickly and attack before the defence is set, much more effective.,,
STUHILL Posted 20 February 2011 Posted 20 February 2011 I think this is a very one eyed view. What you say is correct if we are in control, in this case he can bully the opposition and play with a degree of arrogance but when real fight and ability is needed when we are not on top then he is found wanting. Similarly his attacking play is not good enough, despite recent improvements he still dwells on the ball, giving the opposition time to get organised. When he does try to find the right pass it is played into a defence that is well set and in control. Contrast this with the play of, say, Naughton and van Aanhold, who get the ball forward quickly and attack before the defence is set, much more effective.,, No I have to disgree there. Wellens assists this season have come from quick through balls which have split the defence such as the one against Doncaster for Naughtons goal. He has a great eye for the killer pass. He has good leadership on the field and isn't a player to go missing if there is a fight as we have shown good spirit this year, however, he can be inconsistent and yesterday was a poor performance from him, but lets not forget how good he has been in the 4-5 games prior to that and rightly deserves his award. He is a stand-out player for us and is the starting point for many of our attacks.
marbelladave Posted 20 February 2011 Posted 20 February 2011 No I have to disgree there. Wellens assists this season have come from quick through balls which have split the defence such as the one against Doncaster for Naughtons goal. He has a great eye for the killer pass. He has good leadership on the field and isn't a player to go missing if there is a fight as we have shown good spirit this year, however, he can be inconsistent and yesterday was a poor performance from him, but lets not forget how good he has been in the 4-5 games prior to that and rightly deserves his award. He is a stand-out player for us and is the starting point for many of our attacks. Fair comment, but I am still of the opinion that his defence splitting passes are all to rare and far too many of his passes are still, despite recent improvements, delayed until the defence is well set and our forwards tightly marked. Similarly i do not think he does enough defensively, he is not a great tackler and doesn't work the angles the way King does and although he can be loud and fiesty on occasions, I think he does go missing when we are getting out muscled. Not saying you are wrong, Wellens can do all the things you say, just concerned that he does not do it enough!
Haydos Posted 20 February 2011 Posted 20 February 2011 Fair comment, but I am still of the opinion that his defence splitting passes are all to rare and far too many of his passes are still, despite recent improvements, delayed until the defence is well set and our forwards tightly marked. Similarly i do not think he does enough defensively, he is not a great tackler and doesn't work the angles the way King does and although he can be loud and fiesty on occasions, I think he does go missing when we are getting out muscled. Not saying you are wrong, Wellens can do all the things you say, just concerned that he does not do it enough! You do mention this an awful lot. You've also mentioned people having severely blinkered views when it comes to our midfield. I have an issue with this statement though, you must realise that this is not always possible. If the ball is moved on quickly and with pace like you're suggesting players get isolated (if the option is even available in the first place). They're good footballers (completely different to the dross of a few years back) and have shown that on plenty of occasions. They're improving and are doing a lot of things well. Not delaying passes is all well and good when you're counter attacking or when you have an overlap (See Naughton's v Doncaster, King's v Derby etc) but when you're outnumbered it is just not the right option. You would get nothing balls into the front men because the passer is under pressure and if it did arrive then it would need some good hold up play while players got forward (in a way, slowing down the move anyway).
marbelladave Posted 20 February 2011 Posted 20 February 2011 You do mention this an awful lot. You've also mentioned people having severely blinkered views when it comes to our midfield. I have an issue with this statement though, you must realise that this is not always possible. If the ball is moved on quickly and with pace like you're suggesting players get isolated (if the option is even available in the first place). They're good footballers (completely different to the dross of a few years back) and have shown that on plenty of occasions. They're improving and are doing a lot of things well. Not delaying passes is all well and good when you're counter attacking or when you have an overlap (See Naughton's v Doncaster, King's v Derby etc) but when you're outnumbered it is just not the right option. You would get nothing balls into the front men because the passer is under pressure and if it did arrive then it would need some good hold up play while players got forward (in a way, slowing down the move anyway). Morning Haydos. In most respects your points are all quite correct, football is not as simple as we all make out, but sweeping statements are the norm and I am a guilty as anyone. At least I try to justify what I say and make rational arguments to support my views, of course I do not think we should get the ball forward quickly in every circumstance as you point out, to do so would be tantamount to hoofball...... I guess what I am saying is that we still miss opportunities to break quickly, sure we are getting better but have some way to go, it is not helped by a fairly static center forward, our build up play was probably better in those couple of games around the turn of the year when Vassell led the line. When we do break quickly our strikers look far more likely to score, King, for example, is far more effective when he and the ball arrive in the area at the same time, for a period running up to Christmas King was arriving in the box well in advance of the ball and was often flat footed and well marked when the ball game in. This corresponds to his least prolific period this season.
Fox1994 Posted 20 February 2011 Posted 20 February 2011 Our main problem on Friday was the lack of movement from the midfield. Often no one is utilising the space and giving the man on the ball quick options which results in us having to play it back to the defence. when the ball is being knocked round the defence for 5 minutes is really frustrating. Its good that were keeping possession but it would be better if we were using it more to our advantage. Something I noticed on Friday was, in the last 20 or so minutes, despite having brought dyer on we were very very narrow. All our player were lined up on the edge of their box waiting for a long ball and we had completely lost our shape. The Bristol city defence was finding it very easy to defend because they weren't being stretched and they were able to just sit on there 18yard box untroubled. I think Sven needs to come up with a formation that fits this type of scenario, maybe 4.4.2 with yakubu and waghorn/vassel up top then dyer on the left and gally on the right. Thoughts?
davieG Posted 20 February 2011 Posted 20 February 2011 Our main problem on Friday was the lack of movement from the midfield. Often no one is utilising the space and giving the man on the ball quick options which results in us having to play it back to the defence. when the ball is being knocked round the defence for 5 minutes is really frustrating. Its good that were keeping possession but it would be better if we were using it more to our advantage. Something I noticed on Friday was, in the last 20 or so minutes, despite having brought dyer on we were very very narrow. All our player were lined up on the edge of their box waiting for a long ball and we had completely lost our shape. The Bristol city defence was finding it very easy to defend because they weren't being stretched and they were able to just sit on there 18yard box untroubled. I think Sven needs to come up with a formation that fits this type of scenario, maybe 4.4.2 with yakubu and waghorn/vassel up top then dyer on the left and gally on the right. Thoughts? Perming 2 from Oakley/Abi, King and Wellens would give us an extremely weak midfield it struggles now with 3 in there to establish itself in many games.
Brown Fox Posted 20 February 2011 Posted 20 February 2011 Perming 2 from Oakley/Abi, King and Wellens would give us an extremely weak midfield it struggles now with 3 in there to establish itself in many games. I don't agree with our midfield 3 not being able to establish itself in many games at all. In our recent good form it has been our midfield that has dominated and won us lots of games!
davieG Posted 20 February 2011 Posted 20 February 2011 I don't agree with our midfield 3 not being able to establish itself in many games at all. In our recent good form it has been our midfield that has dominated and won us lots of games! Both the 2nd halfs of the Derby & Bristol games we failed to establish a foothold in mid-field and there's been many others
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