Chanting 'Weale' while Ricardo is playing

[anotherharboroughfox]

well he certainly shows passion.........

[Captain...]

I don't see your point there. Ricardo needs to give us something to chant about first. Fans don't just chant players names as they are in a Leicester shirt. They have to earn it. Yes we know that, everyone agrees.

Chanting a substitute keepers name is far different from chanting an outfield players name too, as how often do you see a Goalkeeper changed in a game without an injury?

I think the point people are arguing, is what good can come during a match for chanting a GOALKEEPER (keyword) when a change is never going to happen and surely will only have a negative effect on the goalkeeper on the pitch?

I am all for people voicing their opinions and all for chants but surely one that will have no effect on the 90mins other than perhaps negative, are pointless??

Changing goalkeepers mid game, may not happen that often, but it does happen, in fact it happened not too long ago with Kirkland, who was replaced by Weale at half time.

So yes, in the event of an injury or a tactical change Chris Weale may be called into action, so in that case it isn't very different to any other outfield position. Would you have any problem with people chanting to Berner, there is only one position he can play, so only one place for him to take, Left Back. Arguably because Waghorn can replace 3 players, by chanting his name you are unsettling 3 players instead of just 1, not to mention the other substitutes who will feel like they are unloved by the City faithful. Maybe we shouldn't chant anyone's name for fear of making another player feel bad. No?

If you think in the long term though, Chris Weale, knowing that the fans still love him, will be more likely to have a good game in the event of a recall, so in that respect it shows that he is still loved and very popular and may encourage him to stay and fight for his place because the fans love him even if the manager doesn't.

As previously mentioned I wasn't at the game and I didn't hear the chants on the radio, if his name was chanted 2 or 3 times when he was warming up, and it was just his name, then it is not a big deal.

If people were chanting his name constantly, or every time Ricardo flapped at the ball, then it is a different matter, likewise anything along the lines of "Bring back Weale", is also unacceptable, but to say that it is wrong and you shouldn't chant a Leicester player's name is retarded.

[STUHILL]

Changing goalkeepers mid game, may not happen that often, but it does happen, in fact it happened not too long ago with Kirkland, who was replaced by Weale at half time.

So yes, in the event of an injury or a tactical change Chris Weale may be called into action, so in that case it isn't very different to any other outfield position. Would you have any problem with people chanting to Berner, there is only one position he can play, so only one place for him to take, Left Back. Arguably because Waghorn can replace 3 players, by chanting his name you are unsettling 3 players instead of just 1, not to mention the other substitutes who will feel like they are unloved by the City faithful. Maybe we shouldn't chant anyone's name for fear of making another player feel bad. No?

If you think in the long term though, Chris Weale, knowing that the fans still love him, will be more likely to have a good game in the event of a recall, so in that respect it shows that he is still loved and very popular and may encourage him to stay and fight for his place because the fans love him even if the manager doesn't.

As previously mentioned I wasn't at the game and I didn't hear the chants on the radio, if his name was chanted 2 or 3 times when he was warming up, and it was just his name, then it is not a big deal.

If people were chanting his name constantly, or every time Ricardo flapped at the ball, then it is a different matter, likewise anything along the lines of "Bring back Weale", is also unacceptable, but to say that it is wrong and you shouldn't chant a Leicester player's name is retarded.

Please highlight where I have said we should never chant a players name?? Or actually highlight anyone in this thread who has said that.......

Funny you are commenting on it and not being at the game. Fans were cheering every time he caught a ball and were chanting Weale throughout.

I would say Goalkeepers are changed for tactical reasons 1 in every 500 games if ever? The Kirkland one was a back injury.

Personally, the only players I cheer for who are on the bench are ones who can come on and make an impact. For example a striker such as Waghorn in say the 75th min etc, especially as he has the possibility of being a Super Sub for us. I think the majority do this and it's generally accepted at most football clubs.

Ricardo was on his home debut, and in a position where mistakes can cost matches, so by chanting for another keeper, I find it rather harsh and of no benefit at all to our team. That's just my view and I know whatever I say or argue on here, there will be people who disagree.

As for the argument about chanting Weale could make him stay even if he is on the bench, well Fryatt over the past season or so has had his named chanted more than any other player and he was more than happy to put a transfer request in and leave. At the end of the day, chanting for a GOALKEEPER is almost unheard of and for good reason as they do not get changed often enough and by doing so, there is no benefit in those 90mins which can come from potentially unsettling a keeper on his home debut. I really think it is as simple as that with this debate..... What good can come from it in those 90+ minutes?

[anotherharboroughfox]

Please highlight where I have said we should never chant a players name?? Or actually highlight anyone in this thread who has said that.......

Funny you are commenting on it and not being at the game. Fans were cheering every time he caught a ball and were chanting Weale throughout.

I would say Goalkeepers are changed for tactical reasons 1 in every 500 games if ever? The Kirkland one was a back injury.

Personally, the only players I cheer for who are on the bench are ones who can come on and make an impact. For example a striker such as Waghorn in say the 75th min etc, especially as he has the possibility of being a Super Sub for us. I think the majority do this and it's generally accepted at most football clubs.

Ricardo was on his home debut, and in a position where mistakes can cost matches, so by chanting for another keeper, I find it rather harsh and of no benefit at all to our team. That's just my view and I know whatever I say or argue on here, there will be people who disagree.

As for the argument about chanting Weale could make him stay even if he is on the bench, well Fryatt over the past season or so has had his named chanted more than any other player and he was more than happy to put a transfer request in and leave. At the end of the day, chanting for a GOALKEEPER is almost unheard of and for good reason as they do not get changed often enough and by doing so, there is no benefit in those 90mins which can come from potentially unsettling a keeper on his home debut. I really think it is as simple as that with this debate..... What good can come from it in those 90+ minutes?

This. although usually I only will if I see them warming up/getting ready to come on.

[Alexikokopops]

By definition I would say that is exactly what makes someone world class - you play at the very highest level - Ie. A world cup.

Junior Agogo. World class

[STUHILL]

This. although usually I only will if I see them warming up/getting ready to come on.

Yeh with you there. Usually gets the crowd going and more often or not just by seeing a player, especially an attacking one warming up, can really get the crowd going and give the team a lift! Think Waggy will become that SUPER SUB this season!! He definitely has the ability.

[Captain...]

Please highlight where I have said we should never chant a players name?? Or actually highlight anyone in this thread who has said that.......

Funny you are commenting on it and not being at the game. Fans were cheering every time he caught a ball and were chanting Weale throughout.

Chris Weale is a Leicester player, you are saying the fans shouldn't have chanted his name.

You're right I wasn't at the game, which is why I asked in my first post how often his name was chanted, was it aimed at Ricardo or at Weale, for example while Weale was warming up, or when Ricardo flapped at a cross. Was anything negative actually chanted at Ricardo?

There is a tendency for people to get overly precious on this forum about what the fans say and chant, when in reality there is no harm in it. I don't know what happened at the game as I wasn't there, but from an objective point of view, in principal there is nothing wrong with the Leicester City fans chanting the name of a Leicester City player.

[STUHILL]

Chris Weale is a Leicester player, you are saying the fans shouldn't have chanted his name.

You're right I wasn't at the game, which is why I asked in my first post how often his name was chanted, was it aimed at Ricardo or at Weale, for example while Weale was warming up, or when Ricardo flapped at a cross. Was anything negative actually chanted at Ricardo?

There is a tendency for people to get overly precious on this forum about what the fans say and chant, when in reality there is no harm in it. I don't know what happened at the game as I wasn't there, but from an objective point of view, in principal there is nothing wrong with the Leicester City fans chanting the name of a Leicester City player.

Well, I was there and sarcastic cheering a goal keeper catching the ball and chanting throughout for Weale was what I heard from the KOP. MY argument is not suggesting there is something wrong with chanting a Leicester City player, just in the context it is done. You still haven't answered the benefits of this particular chant and its timing? I simply don't understand what the fans think they will achieve by it? That's all I'm saying and it's all my argument is based on.

[Captain...]

Well, I was there and sarcastic cheering a goal keeper catching the ball and chanting throughout for Weale was what I heard from the KOP. MY argument is not suggesting there is something wrong with chanting a Leicester City player, just in the context it is done. You still haven't answered the benefits of this particular chant and its timing? I simply don't understand what the fans think they will achieve by it? That's all I'm saying and it's all my argument is based on.

Just out of interest what do you mean by throughout, was it literally non stop or every 10 minutes or so, how many people were doing it, I didn't hear it on the radio and I could hear a few of the chants.

Like I said if it is directed at Weale while he warms up then it is to show him and Sven, that despite him losing his place he is still very popular with the fans and will hopefully motivate him to fight for his place.

If it was aimed at Ricardo then I agree with everything you say, Ricardo is a Leicester player and should be supported while he is on the pitch. The intention of the fans chanting Weale and jeering Ricardo was to try and convince Sven to recall Weale, we can't sit down and have a chat with Sven and express our concerns at Ricardo flapping at crosses, so we do it through chants. I understand why they did it, but I do agree in this situation it is counter productive.

Also as I said before if people at the game didn't like it, maybe they should have started chanting Ricardo's name and cheering in a non sarcastic manner every time he did something well.

I am firmly in the Weale camp in this debate, but Ricardo is an experienced international player and has been around a long time, I doubt he was affected by it, but maybe it will make him question why he is being jeered, and maybe he may realise that in this league we need goalkeepers that dominate the area and claim crosses, only punching when necessary, he may change his game and work on catching in training, it may be difficult though to change the habit of a lifetime which for him is to punch rather than catch, and I do think it will be much easier to train Weale to improve his distribution and kicking than for Ricardo to start catching. Either way it is not my opinion that counts, I just really hope that Ricardo doesn't prove me or any of his other critics right and cost us goals, but only time will tell that.

[STUHILL]

Just out of interest what do you mean by throughout, was it literally non stop or every 10 minutes or so, how many people were doing it, I didn't hear it on the radio and I could hear a few of the chants.

Like I said if it is directed at Weale while he warms up then it is to show him and Sven, that despite him losing his place he is still very popular with the fans and will hopefully motivate him to fight for his place.

If it was aimed at Ricardo then I agree with everything you say, Ricardo is a Leicester player and should be supported while he is on the pitch. The intention of the fans chanting Weale and jeering Ricardo was to try and convince Sven to recall Weale, we can't sit down and have a chat with Sven and express our concerns at Ricardo flapping at crosses, so we do it through chants. I understand why they did it, but I do agree in this situation it is counter productive.

Also as I said before if people at the game didn't like it, maybe they should have started chanting Ricardo's name and cheering in a non sarcastic manner every time he did something well.

I am firmly in the Weale camp in this debate, but Ricardo is an experienced international player and has been around a long time, I doubt he was affected by it, but maybe it will make him question why he is being jeered, and maybe he may realise that in this league we need goalkeepers that dominate the area and claim crosses, only punching when necessary, he may change his game and work on catching in training, it may be difficult though to change the habit of a lifetime which for him is to punch rather than catch, and I do think it will be much easier to train Weale to improve his distribution and kicking than for Ricardo to start catching. Either way it is not my opinion that counts, I just really hope that Ricardo doesn't prove me or any of his other critics right and cost us goals, but only time will tell that.

I am also in the Weale camp so far. Ricardo is an exciting keeper but he has looked dodgy so far and I think Sven will have seen this too and I won't be surprised if Weale is in for him on Tuesday. My only doubt with that is that Sven said he didn't want to drop Weale after a bad performance as it would be like punishment so I just wonder if that will stop him replacing Ricardo so soon.

It wasn't when Weale was warming up. Don't actually remember seeing Weale warm-up but I could have missed it and was when Ricardo had the ball. I think you are being optimistic with the effect of a negative chant (and chanting a direct replacement players name is a negative chant) on a Goal keeper, but if Ricardo uses it to work harder and prove people wrong then fair enough but In my experience, during a game, I agree it may not have an impact on him but if it does, then it can only be negative.

I would prefer all chants to be positive ones but no matter how loyal a fan base, that would never happen unfortunately. Anyway, this has been talked to death for me. Hopefully, Ricardo proves everyone wrong or Weale comes in and is solid!

Just have to wait and see what Sven does now, but he is no mug and I think he will make the right decision either way.

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

I think one or two people seemed to have missed the point. It's not about which keeper is better, nor is it about whether or not we are permitted to chant the names of Leicester players. It is about whether it is appropriate to chant things during a match which, by virtue of being 'pro' one player, are necessarily 'anti' another player.

Shouting 'Weale' when he's not on the pitch or even warming up on the touchline (and often immediately after Ricardo is perceived to have made an error) cannot be productive, a problem exacerbated by the fact that he can almost certainly hear it.

[Haydos]

I think one or two people seemed to have missed the point. It's not about which keeper is better, nor is it about whether or not we are permitted to chant the names of Leicester players. It is about whether it is appropriate to chant things during a match which, by virtue of being 'pro' one player, are necessarily 'anti' another player.

Shouting 'Weale' when he's not on the pitch or even warming up on the touchline (and often immediately after Ricardo is perceived to have made an error) cannot be productive, a problem exacerbated by the fact that he can almost certainly hear it.

I think almost everyone has realised that and this discussion was about to come to an end

[anotherharboroughfox]

Yeh with you there. Usually gets the crowd going and more often or not just by seeing a player, especially an attacking one warming up, can really get the crowd going and give the team a lift! Think Waggy will become that SUPER SUB this season!! He definitely has the ability.

Yep, always had a soft spot for Waggy.

He's got the quality.

[MrSpaM]

Is it just me, or have i been down the Walkers a load of times this season when Lloyd Dyer's name has been sang when he's sitting on the bench, and nobodys ever made a thread ranting about it, how is this any different?

[davieG]

Is it just me, or have i been down the Walkers a load of times this season when Lloyd Dyer's name has been sang when he's sitting on the bench, and nobodys ever made a thread ranting about it, how is this any different?

I suggest you read the topic reasons have been expressed many times whether you agree or not is a different matter.

[Corky]

No-one is saying we should be totally loyal to Ricardo, just not actively undermine him by chanting en masse for his rival in the first team.

[muzzy1981]

I'll shout Weale for 90 minutes straight.

Ricardo's shocking. Distribution worse than Wayne Brown.

He's played in two games and we have won both. He's got 76 caps for Portugal.

People like you are a disgrace to the club and should f-off and support somone else!!!

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[Crampy10]

Think its all been covered here so far but just want to add my opinion anyways. I sit in L1 and I am sick of all of these 'mindless, yobbish' comments. The majority of us know our football and are trying to create a decent atmosphere. You can pick and choose with what chants you join in with. I do not agree with the Weale one and said so but if people want to shout that then it is up to them and if people disagree they should sing for Ricardo or tell the people around them why we shouldnt sing it. I am 30 and could sit anywhere i choose to sit but i want to sit in L1 as it is the only place i feel any passion, every one who sits round me is sound and gets behind the team and when i have sat elsewhere I dont feel that. I used to love the old pen 1 days (even with the seats, before that I was in the members bit with the white walls) where we would all squash in and the support would be quality.

The slating of the home fans was just a bit of fun and I kinda liked it, I could not believe the Scunthorpe game when we got a full house to watch us pick up a trophy but not when we needed them in key games. Appreicate this is a wider issue with the recession and cost of tickets etc but it still amazes me that they will come back for so called big games, you know we will get a full house in the premiership and that is frustrating as suddenly these people find the money to go?? I would watch us whoever we are playing.

I cant wait for the next game and I 100% trust Sven to make the right decisions and if he feels that Ricardo can offer us something then so be it. Bednar and Kirkland were soon despatched when they did not fit in to our plans.