Dom_Harborough Fox Posted 29 March 2011 Posted 29 March 2011 Yep 9,000 is pretty poor, especially considering the FSF allegedly represents over 180,000 fans. I assume that means they have 180,000 people signed up? I knew the numbers would tail off after the first couple of days as well. To be honest, the reason I first posted in this thread today was just to get it back up to the top where people would be more likely to see it and possibly more inclined to sign the petition.
ajthefox Posted 29 March 2011 Posted 29 March 2011 An issue as prominent as this should spread quickly and really 9,000 is poor. I don't think it being online helps but still there are way too many people who've no doubt seen this but pretty much shrugged it off. I posted it on a facebook page that was something to do with City and someone said there was no point signing it, and if everyone has that poor attitude it's not really much of a surprise it doesn't work is it. All it takes is like a minute, even if it doesn't work you're not going to lose anything are you? It's such a shame that despite the importance of this, most are just full of apathy when it comes to doing anything about it.
purpleronnie Posted 29 March 2011 Posted 29 March 2011 An issue as prominent as this should spread quickly and really 9,000 is poor. I don't think it being online helps but still there are way too many people who've no doubt seen this but pretty much shrugged it off. I posted it on a facebook page that was something to do with City and someone said there was no point signing it, and if everyone has that poor attitude it's not really much of a surprise it doesn't work is it. All it takes is like a minute, even if it doesn't work you're not going to lose anything are you? It's such a shame that despite the importance of this, most are just full of apathy when it comes to doing anything about it. yep, its a sad stae of affairs when filling out a 2 minute petition is too much trouble. Not sure this country is up for a footy boycott then.
ajthefox Posted 29 March 2011 Posted 29 March 2011 yep, its a sad stae of affairs when filling out a 2 minute petition is too much trouble. Not sure this country is up for a footy boycott then. Knowing what many people here are like we'd probably end up with a bigger attendance if their was a boycott I bet!
lcfc_jme Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 Can't the Fosse Boys just turn up at various points outside the ground on a match day with the same information as the online petition but on pieces of paper and try to collect signatures that way? Or even those not related to the Fosse Boys? If that were done I'm sure there'd easily be 10k in signatures. Replicate that at every ground in the country over 2 weekends and you'd be looking at 150k+. Surely a better way than relying solely on the online petition. It'd also be easier to explain how it'd work, e.g. grounds would still be majority-seated and standing would only be one small area etc.
davieG Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 Can't the Fosse Boys just turn up at various points outside the ground on a match day with the same information as the online petition but on pieces of paper and try to collect signatures that way? Or even those not related to the Fosse Boys? If that were done I'm sure there'd easily be 10k in signatures. Replicate that at every ground in the country over 2 weekends and you'd be looking at 150k+. Surely a better way than relying solely on the online petition. It'd also be easier to explain how it'd work, e.g. grounds would still be majority-seated and standing would only be one small area etc. That would probably get them banned permanently.
Jackirius Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 That would probably get them banned permanently. Why?
smallpauldj Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 I'd be one applying for a standing season ticket if it happened. It's so right the comment about the prawn sandwich brigade making it into the cop but I feel alot of them came from the old double decker. As for the comments about seats bringing more kids errr no not only I's there a family end at every ground but the under eights free deals etc might have something to do with it. To show how safe standing is we used to stand on the ones in pen 1 and run over the top of them when we scored I never got hurt oh the memory's.
Kitchandro Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 It's sad that the Premier League think that seating is better for fans, when most fans agree that there should be the choice to stand. It would help if they tried asking the fans what they like instead of telling them what they like. If L, K and J3 was terracing it would be brilliant, and the majority of the stadium would still have seats. There is nothing unsafe about standing. Why I stand up every day and it doesn't cause me injuries. There is mass standing all around the World; in other countries at football matches, at gigs, and other social events, even in the lower leagues of English football. So - why is it only unsafe in the top 2 tiers of English football? If anyone can find me an occassion where there were inuries caused by mass standing, I'd like to hear it. And I'll throw something else out there. What about the times where I've jumped up for a goal and fallen over a seat, or got my trouser leg caught in a seat and hit my face on the seat in front? Is that a completely safe situation then? As Fosse Boy says, it's all about control, not safety.
ajthefox Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 Mass standing. Oh but look at how unsafe they are all!!
m00nie Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 Oh but look at how unsafe they are all!! and i bet the flags have no fire certificates either...
Kitchandro Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 Mass standing. Those aren't red shirts they're wearing...they're just covered in blood
davieG Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 If we're to continue to be forced to sit they should at least be compelled to provide safety seats like those for airline pilots with built in ejectors so that those that want to leave early can do so without getting in the way.
m00nie Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 If we're to continue to be forced to sit they should at least be compelled to provide safety seats like those for airline pilots with built in ejectors so that those that want to leave early can do so without getting in the way. .. but no one will have reason to leave early as we will be scoring 2.2 goals a game and storming the league unbeaten apparently
anotherharboroughfox Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 .. but no one will have reason to leave early as we will be scoring 2.2 goals a game and storming the league unbeaten apparently That's not good enough.
Guest Bilo Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 Also, why is this safe at Welford Road but not at the Walkers less than half a mile away? Everyone standing and with pints on a terrace, all perfectly legal and always passing off without any safety problems, even if we ignore the hooliganism element that obviously isn't an issue in rugby. Why is it 'unsafe' for me to stand at a football stadium and illegal to drink and stand on the 9th April but permissible for me to combine the two at a rugby stadium in the same city a week later? It clearly isn't a safety issue and anybody who really believes it is, especially if they like me go to an odd egg-chasing game on the terrace down the road, must have been born yesterday. Standing in sports stadia is not, nor has ever been, intrinsically unsafe. Why does the Pirelli Stadium in Burton, opened in 2005, have three sides of terracing if it's unsafe? Same with the Globe Arena in Morecambe opened last year. If standing is in itself unsafe, why are new stadia being built with standing accommodation? Why do clubs like Scunthorpe and Peterborough have three years to change their terrace to seating in the Championship but could have it as long as they wanted a division lower? The idea that the quality of the football on the pitch affects the safety in the stands, which is essentially what the current legislature implies, is absolutely laughable. The insistence on all-seaters is as Fosse Boy says about control as well as milking as much out of the average fan as possible. It's also aimed at pricing the demographic of fan most likely to enjoy the experience of standing on a terrace with a beer, the young male aged 18 and 30, out of the game in favour of attracting families who will spend more wedge on merchandise in the club shop before a game. Money and control, those are the only two reasons why we have all-seater stadia in this country because it has sod all to do with safety.
ajthefox Posted 30 March 2011 Posted 30 March 2011 Also, why is this safe at Welford Road but not at the Walkers less than half a mile away? Everyone standing and with pints on a terrace, all perfectly legal and always passing off without any safety problems, even if we ignore the hooliganism element that obviously isn't an issue in rugby. Why is it 'unsafe' for me to stand at a football stadium and illegal to drink and stand on the 9th April but permissible for me to combine the two at a rugby stadium in the same city a week later? It clearly isn't a safety issue and anybody who really believes it is, especially if they like me go to an odd egg-chasing game on the terrace down the road, must have been born yesterday. Standing in sports stadia is not, nor has ever been, intrinsically unsafe. Why does the Pirelli Stadium in Burton, opened in 2005, have three sides of terracing if it's unsafe? Same with the Globe Arena in Morecambe opened last year. If standing is in itself unsafe, why are new stadia being built with standing accommodation? Why do clubs like Scunthorpe and Peterborough have three years to change their terrace to seating in the Championship but could have it as long as they wanted a division lower? The idea that the quality of the football on the pitch affects the safety in the stands, which is essentially what the current legislature implies, is absolutely laughable. The insistence on all-seaters is as Fosse Boy says about control as well as milking as much out of the average fan as possible. It's also aimed at pricing the demographic of fan most likely to enjoy the experience of standing on a terrace with a beer, the young male aged 18 and 30, out of the game in favour of attracting families who will spend more wedge on merchandise in the club shop before a game. Money and control, those are the only two reasons why we have all-seater stadia in this country because it has sod all to do with safety. It annoys me just reading through your post being reminded of how utterly flawed and just out right shite the argument is put up from the higher ups. The mind really does boggle at how the authorities can just churn out bare faced lie after bare faced lie without the smallest of consideration for what us fans really want.
Stand UP... Posted 31 March 2011 Posted 31 March 2011 this would be my dream for terraces to return, unfortunatley it will never happen.
Filbert_Ross Posted 31 March 2011 Posted 31 March 2011 It annoys me just reading through your post being reminded of how utterly flawed and just out right shite the argument is put up from the higher ups. The mind really does boggle at how the authorities can just churn out bare faced lie after bare faced lie without the smallest of consideration for what us fans really want. i got wound up reading that post too, never seen it from that point of view before!!
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