Sven and the future

[Leicfox]

[buzzy]

why are people getting arsey?? hes asking a decent question..

even if we win 3.2 the tinkering still could be the cause we let the 2 in in the first place..

a pre season training wont change his mindset of swapping and changing..

just because he got us off the bottom dont make him god..

if his bad decisions have caused us to miss out then surely it deserves questioning..

people are getting arsey because there the ones who are licking svens backside so don't worry about the response you get from those fans

[Babylon]

I wonder if Leeds and Swansea fans want to sack their managers. Because we have amassed the same as if not more points then them since the sacking of Sousa.

There is a lot to sort out undoubtedly, I don't mind people questioning things, but they need a bit of perspective along side it, It's always completely negative.

The facts are we would have needed to produce almost title winning form from the day he took over to make it. For quite a while we did and got ourselves into a great position. Whether it's his fault that form dropped off, or whether it was just unsustainable who can say.

Many people point to the loan signings of Bruma and PVA as being the problem. PVA was obviously needed due to the injury to Cunningham, the Bruma one was always a bit odd as at the time we had enough back up in that position.

Although their singings probably have had an affect on our form, personally the form of King, Wellens and Abe for me has been a big concern. They were fantastic together during our good run, but we have only fleetingly seen them play well (individually and as a unit) since the Man City games at the turn of the year. They were the ones who made us tick, and it's just not been happening.

[Babylon]

people are getting arsey because there the ones who are licking svens backside so don't worry about the response you get from those fans

No they get arsey because it's the same old one sided stuff from the same old people.

[cc_star]

Sven has had 6 months & signed as many players as any manager could have wished to, if not more

They've been variable in quality as far as TEAM is concerned, but they are good individuals, many of them damn good.

For me, he's a massive, massive, massive improvement on Sousa (although even the cleaner would have been) but nowhere near good enough at this division to take us to the next level after last season, we'll see properly after 10 games of next season.

For me, he lacks a plan b (never mixes anything up, no matter whats happening or how badly its going), seem to lack motivational skills (too many players get away without putting a shift in), is obviously clueless at appointing a defensive coach AND ensuring he coaches well, always picks his faves (which he may believe are the best individuals, but certainly aren't the best team) Hopefully he can right those (IMO) shortcomings before August 6th when the new season kicks off

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

Sven has had 6 months & signed as many players as any manager could have wished to, if not more

They've been variable in quality as far as TEAM is concerned, but they are good individuals, many of them damn good.

For me, he's a massive, massive, massive improvement on Sousa (although even the cleaner would have been) but nowhere near good enough at this division to take us to the next level after last season, we'll see properly after 10 games of next season.

For me, he lacks a plan b (never mixes anything up, no matter whats happening or how badly its going), seem to lack motivational skills (too many players get away without putting a shift in), is obviously clueless at appointing a defensive coach AND ensuring he coaches well, always picks his faves (which he may believe are the best individuals, but certainly aren't the best team) Hopefully he can right those (IMO) shortcomings before August 6th when the new season kicks off

Agree with this. He does need time to have a summer and then should get the first 10 games.

He is definitely poor tactically and when things go wrong he just sits abck and lets it happen. Take today, losing at HT what does he do? Certainly wasnt a big team talk was it?

Just hope he buys players from the leagues below and experienced players rather than a load of Premier big money men who dont give a shit.

[buzzy]

right we was bottom when he took over , now sitting mid table i keep thinking if we hadnt have got so close to the play offs would this post have been made? col you keep saying it's svens team etc yes but teams aint made in 3 quarters of a season are they? some of your posts sound like we should be unbeatable, always play excellent every team as a off day (yes we have had a few) but i'll ask you one thing relegation battle???? or mid table?????

unless you have a crystal ball no one knows how the season would have panned out under paulo things could have got worse or better we just do not know.and by the way it is sven team apart from weale king oakley wellens 4 players that started today his tactics his team you can;t blame paulo ,nigel,craig,martin,jock etc etc

[Babylon]

He does need time to have a summer and then should get the first 10 games.

So what position would warrant his sacking after 10 games next season?

Just hope he buys players from the leagues below and experienced players rather than a load of Premier big money men who dont give a shit.

You hope he buys players from leagues below rather than premier players? Do you think it's exclusively people from the premier league that don't give a shit then?

Personally i'd rather we signed the best player we can from who is available. Whether it's from the premier, this division or below.

[dannythefox]

If we dont get promotion next season sven will leave.

[The Sven Revolution]

Sven has had 6 months & signed as many players as any manager could have wished to, if not more

They've been variable in quality as far as TEAM is concerned, but they are good individuals, many of them damn good.

For me, he's a massive, massive, massive improvement on Sousa (although even the cleaner would have been) but nowhere near good enough at this division to take us to the next level after last season, we'll see properly after 10 games of next season.

For me, he lacks a plan b (never mixes anything up, no matter whats happening or how badly its going), seem to lack motivational skills (too many players get away without putting a shift in), is obviously clueless at appointing a defensive coach AND ensuring he coaches well, always picks his faves (which he may believe are the best individuals, but certainly aren't the best team) Hopefully he can right those (IMO) shortcomings before August 6th when the new season kicks off

Some good points there mate. I don't agree with most of those but I like the way you have structured your opinion, without being completely negative. Lets hope Sven can prove you wrong in the next 4 games, that way everyone will be happy...Lets just see where we finish this season and build for a strong next season. Its fair we start judging Sven from around Nov-Dec 2011 onwards. If he fails to keep us within touching distance of automatics or within PO spots next season..he should be sacked..until then we back our team and manager.

[Babylon]

and by the way it is sven team apart from weale king oakley wellens 4 players that started today his tactics his team

10 of the 18 man squad today were not signed by Sven.

[Babylon]

If we dont get promotion next season sven will leave.

I think that's pretty much what everyone understands from what he and the club have said anyway... if you read between the lines.

[buzzy]

10 of the 18 man squad today were not signed by Sven.

how many started the match .read the post

[buzzy]

No they get arsey because it's the same old one sided stuff from the same old people.

there there don;t get arsey

[Babylon]

how many started the match .read the post

I read the post thanks I'm not illiterate, but it's not just about the 11 on the pitch. Read the post

[Babylon]

there there don;t get arsey

Yeah, I'm really arsey.

[buzzy]

I read the post thanks I'm not illiterate, but it's not just about the 11 on the pitch. Read the post

i will never agree with you about anything. we disagreed about the pearson thing in the summer so i think we should avoid each other in the future and not reply to anything we say on here

[Babylon]

i will never agree with you about anything. we disagreed about the pearson thing in the summer so i think we should avoid each other in the future and not reply to anything we say on here

No, if I have a counter point to make then I'll make it whether you like it or not. It's not a popularity competition on here, I don't expect to like what everyone says and visa versa. If you don't agree offer a sensible counter argument.

[buzzy]

No, if I have a counter point to make then I'll make it whether you like it or not. It's not a popularity competition on here, I don't expect to like what everyone says and visa versa. If you don't agree offer a sensible counter argument.

you said sensible well say something sensible im waiting .its been since last june im still waitng

[cc_star]

you said sensible well say something sensible im waiting .its been since last june im still waitng

I thought me waiting since October was bad, but June.... wow

[Thracian]

It's still possible for us to reach the play-offs of course but our recent performances under Sven have been a disappointment and it is perfectly clear that we still have major weaknesses despite all Sven's many signings.

I didn't expect promotion this season anyway. We needed evolution post-Pearson not revolution and such upheaval as we've had is no way to win anything. Sven deserves a close season to get things properly right but I'm still concerned about how little he's achieved so far.

We are still weak in key areas like goalkeeper, full-back, wing options, certain aspects in midfield and in having the fire-power to score enough goals. Too many of our signings have been questionable and have not really made our team more effective and I still have serious worries about our coaching and tactics.

That's far too many problems for my liking and I don't think the constant changes and overloading the team with loanees is any way to develop the team spirit and understanding necessary to be successful.

Sven has admitted he is still learning about the Championship but, while i accept that, I still question the ability of some of the players he does know - and their suitability for the cause. Kirkland and Bednar were just two shocking examples. How they ever merited a place in the team defeats me and I cannot imagine those displaced were best pleased.

Put simply we need more pace, more people capable of getting into the box, more goals from more positions and more cohesion in the team so the unit moves forwards and backwards as one. We'll only get that by eliminating weaknesses and having a regular team of busy players who understand each other almost instinctively.

We need to be able to change our tactics radically if necessary depending on the situation and we need to be much more ruthless which means attending to details much more thoroughly than presently seems to be the case because we waste far too many good situations though inaccuracy or lack of rehearsal.

Right now our team doesn't want success nearly enough. There's too many nice guys and not enough winners. Too many players who have too little effect. Look, for instance at our central midfield. What is it, 15 goals from top scorer King so far and how many from Abe, Wellens and Oakley put together? Hardly any. Yet there are still people who would pick Wellens or Abe ahead of King. It just doesn't make sense.

And no King is not my blue-eyed boy. He was our leading midfield goalscorer last season too so his record says it all. Yes, there are things he needs to improve but those goals are absolutely vital if we are ever to score the amount necessary for promotion. But we need others in the side to do the same.

One of the best pass-and-move teams i ever saw was Leeds under Revie but they had goalscorers in defence, midfield and attack and were ruthless to a man. They kept the ball mercilessly and were dangerous in every aspect of the game...open play, corners, free-kicks, on the floor, in the air, from close range and from distance. We've hardly got to first base when it comes to matching that.

We pass the ball well at times but there the similarity ends. We're just don't have the same urgency and determination nor the sort of specialists that set Leeds apart. Look at Vassell. He sounded like a good signing but look at his goals return. It's negligible.

Gradel has scored loads for Grayson's Leeds and both Lorimer and Gray were regular scorers for Revie's Leeds and those are the sort of players we need in our own side. Names don't win anything, it's goals scored and goals conceded that count and we're not scoring enough while conceding far too many. In fact we seem to concede more now than we used to do.

But let Sven have the chance to make improvements. We've had quite enough managers at Leicester in recent years and most of the changes achieved absolutely nothing in terms of development. I do think the new regime represents improvement. The owners seem demonstably committed. But they shouldn't do a Mandaric and get impatient. At least Sven and the owners money has given us hope and some sort of foundation. It might not be enough right now but it's a start.

[southdevonfox]

thanks mate, for me the question needs asking... and I'm only seeking opinion

dont be silly , u not supposed to have opinions , just agree with them .

[z-layrex]

For ****s sake we werte heading for a relegation season when he took over and now we had a chance at the playoffs!! How can you not be happy??

[Alf Bentley]

Maybe Sven really did know very little about the Championship and it has been a very steep learning curve? Also, his assistants (Fazackerley & Hamann) have little experience of this level.

I tended to assume that, as he was an experienced professional who worked in England for many years, he was bound to have a fair understanding of this league.

However, his English experience was all at the top level (the brief Notts Co. stint apart) - England and Man City, the rest abroad.

I get the impression sometimes that he is trying to assemble a Premiership team in the Championship....rather than a team that can succeed in the Championship and then develop/be transformed into a Premiership team.

Like Premier League clubs, he seems to want to rotate players even when the team has played well...fairly consistent team selection is more important at this level, I think.

Also, he seems to have a set blueprint of the type of players he wants in certain positions - athletic attacking full backs (so Cunningham/PVA over Berner/Mee); centre backs who can pass and dribble (so Bruma/Bamba over Mee/Vitor/Hobbs). Again, these are playing styles that probably are needed in the Premier League....but may not be the best suited at getting there!

[AlphaMaleFox]

10 of the 18 man squad today were not signed by Sven.

Surely new contracts for Gallagher, Wellens, Oakley and King, show that all of them should be classified as Sven's men. Last City squad - XI: Weale, Naughton, Bamba, Bruma, Van Aanholt, Wellens, Oakley ©, King, Vassell, Yakubu, Kamara. Subs: Ricardo, Vitor, Gallagher, Howard, Dyer, Berner, Abe.

12 of 18, all signed by Sven ...