Steven Posted 21 April 2011 Posted 21 April 2011 I'm afraid that is sci-fi, mobile phones can only be tracked if they make a phone call and then still records are only kept for about 2 weeks. It must be the GPS which is tracking there movements, i'm not sure if you can or cannot turn it off (as i don't have an iphone), but the capacity to store every single location of every single phone for years would be ridiculous, they must be built into the iphones RAM but it is strange that no one has figured it out till now, are you sure the article isn't just having a laugh? Apple could be in deep shit if this is true and they haven't gone through the right channels. No by triangulating the various telephone masts it is possible to locate the phone and under EU data retention directives this data is stored for two years.
FoxyPV Posted 21 April 2011 Posted 21 April 2011 The first question you will now be asked if getting a divorce is "Does your spouse have an iPhone?"
Jackirius Posted 21 April 2011 Posted 21 April 2011 People aren't really commenting on what i am getting at. If you were to try and find me using my mobile phone you wouldn't be able too, because you dont know where i live, you dont know my number, you dont know what network i am on etc etc. You cant just pluck someones location out of a computer if you dont have quite precise information on the phone and where in an area they are.
MPH Posted 21 April 2011 Author Posted 21 April 2011 To be able to find out where a person was a day or so ago (say in a murder case) they will have needed to make a phone call, they cant just pluck a location out of where they were from billions of phones around the world. It would benefit you to read some of the other posts in this thread from people who have been able to explain it far more eloquently than me. In short, your mobile phone is talking to the network it is on all the time via the nearest tower and this is what helps you to be traced. its nothing to do with making calls ... EDIT: Mobile phone tracking tracks the current position of a mobile phone even on the move. To locate the phone, it must emit at least the roaming signal to contact the next nearby antenna tower, but the process does not require an active call. GSM localisation is then done by multilateration based on the signal strength to nearby antenna masts.[1]Mobile positioning, which includes location based service that discloses the actual coordinates of a mobile phone bearer, is a technology used by telecommunication companies to approximate where a mobile phone, and thereby also its user (bearer), temporarily resides. The more properly applied term locating refers to the purpose rather than a positioning process. Such service is offered as an option of the class of location-based services (LBS).[2] Technology The technology of locating is based on measuring power levels and antenna patterns and uses the concept that a mobile phone always communicates wirelessly with one of the closest base stations, so if you know which base station the phone communicates with, you know that the phone is close to the respective base station. Advanced systems determine the sector in which the mobile phone resides and roughly estimate also the distance to the base station. Further approximation can be done by interpolating signals between adjacent antenna towers. Qualified services may achieve a precision of down to 50 meters in urban areas where mobile traffic and density of antenna towers (base stations) is sufficiently high. Rural and desolate areas may see miles between base stations and therefore determine locations less precisely. GSM localization is the use of multilateration to determine the location of GSM mobile phones, usually with the intent to locate the user. Network-based Network-based techniques utilize the service provider's network infrastructure to identify the location of the handset. The advantage of network-based techniques (from mobile operator's point of view) is that they can be implemented non-intrusively, without affecting the handsets. The accuracy of network-based techniques varies, with cell identification as the least accurate and triangulation as moderately accurate, and newer "Forward Link" timing methods as the most accurate. The accuracy of network-based techniques is both dependent on the concentration of base station cells, with urban environments achieving the highest possible accuracy, and the implementation of the most current timing methods. One of the key challenges of network-based techniques is the requirement to work closely with the service provider, as it entails the installation of hardware and software within the operator's infrastructure. Often, a legislative framework, such as E911, would need to be in place to compel the cooperation of the service provider as well as to safeguard the privacy of the information. Handset-based Handset-based technology requires the installation of client software on the handset to determine its location. This technique determines the location of the handset by computing its location by cell identification, signal strengths of the home and neighboring cells, which is continuously sent to the carrier. In addition, if the handset is also equipped with GPS then significantly more precise location information is then sent from the handset to the carrier. The key disadvantage of this technique (from mobile operator's point of view) is the necessity of installing software on the handset. It requires the active cooperation of the mobile subscriber as well as software that must be able to handle the different operating systems of the handsets. Typically, smart phones, such as one based on Symbian, Windows Mobile, iPhone, or Android, would be able to run such software. One proposed work-around is the installation of embedded hardware or software on the handset by the manufacturers, e.g. E-OTD. This avenue has not made significant headway, due to the difficulty of convincing different manufacturers to cooperate on a common mechanism and to address the cost issue. Another difficulty would be to address the issue of foreign handsets that are roaming in the network. SIM-based Using the SIM in GSM and UMTS handsets, it is possible to obtain raw radio measurements from the handset.[4][5] The measurements that are available can include the serving Cell-ID, round trip time and signal strength. The type of information obtained via the SIM can differ from what is available from the handset. For example, it may not be possible to obtain any raw measurements from the handset directly, yet still obtain measurements via the SIM. Hybrid Hybrid positioning systems use a combination of network-based and handset-based technologies for location determination. One example would be some modes of Assisted GPS, which can both use GPS and network information to compute the location (although in most A-GPS systems all computations are done by the handset, and the network is only used to initially acquire and use the GPS satellites). Operational purpose In order to route calls to a phone the cell towers listen for a signal sent from the phone and negotiate which tower is best able to communicate with the phone. As the phone changes location, the antenna towers monitor the signal and the phone is roamed to an adjacent tower as appropriate. By comparing the relative signal strength from multiple antenna towers a general location of a phone can be roughly determined. Other means is the antenna pattern that supports angular determination and phase discrimination. Newer phones may also allow the tracking of the phone even when turned on and not active in a telephone call-. This results from the roaming procedures that perform hand over of the phone from one base station to another.[6]
BoneDog Posted 21 April 2011 Posted 21 April 2011 If you were to try and find me using my mobile phone you wouldn't be able too, because you dont know where i live, you dont know my number, you dont know what network i am on etc etc. You cant just pluck someones location out of a computer if you dont have quite precise information on the phone and where in an area they are. If you've registered your phone then they know who it belongs to. I never register my phone but they have tracked me down using voice recognition technology and CIA have moved in across the road. They used to be nextdoor, but that pair of agents moved after I sussed them out and confronted them shouting "I'VE GOT NOTHING TO HIDE YOU DIRTY SUB-HUMAN SCUM" as one of them was watering the lawn pretending to be normal. The voice recognition technique is a simple method they use. They have a program that they put the voices of any person they are 'interested' in onto, and when this person uses a mobile phone again and that voice gets sent through a satellite, the program picks it up and associates a new phone to said person. If the person has just borrowed the phone, it is still useful info because it gives away the general area that the person is moving in. It doesn't take them long to find anybody, fo' real. This program also renders obsolete any voice changing tech that an 'opponent' might be using. These tracking devices are also in our cars now. And the cars that have computer chips in can also be caused to fail at a critical moment (by someone in another car following or oncoming) and is a very handy assassination technique for TPTB. BEWARE Y'ALL
MPH Posted 22 April 2011 Author Posted 22 April 2011 Again, not really getting my point. wellll... if you didnt keep CHANGING your point we might know what it is!!
smallpauldj Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 I have a iPhone and if it logs everywhere I go it's alot of data as I'm a courier so travel the country everyday. Every pic I take the phone sticks a pin on the map from where it's took which I think is a good idea. If your goings on are tracked for a wife etc to see then be a good boy and you have nothing to worry about. If there is a small chance my phone could locate me if the worse was to happen It makes me more happy to have it in my pocket.
ozleicester Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 If you've registered your phone then they know who it belongs to. I never register my phone but they have tracked me down using voice recognition technology and CIA have moved in across the road. They used to be nextdoor, but that pair of agents moved after I sussed them out and confronted them shouting "I'VE GOT NOTHING TO HIDE YOU DIRTY SUB-HUMAN SCUM" as one of them was watering the lawn pretending to be normal. The voice recognition technique is a simple method they use. They have a program that they put the voices of any person they are 'interested' in onto, and when this person uses a mobile phone again and that voice gets sent through a satellite, the program picks it up and associates a new phone to said person. If the person has just borrowed the phone, it is still useful info because it gives away the general area that the person is moving in. It doesn't take them long to find anybody, fo' real. This program also renders obsolete any voice changing tech that an 'opponent' might be using. These tracking devices are also in our cars now. And the cars that have computer chips in can also be caused to fail at a critical moment (by someone in another car following or oncoming) and is a very handy assassination technique for TPTB. BEWARE Y'ALL This has been a Public awareness announcement on behalf of El Empty tin foil corp. Thanks EE... keep up the good work
ozleicester Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 I have a iPhone and if it logs everywhere I go it's alot of data as I'm a courier so travel the country everyday. Every pic I take the phone sticks a pin on the map from where it's took which I think is a good idea. If your goings on are tracked for a wife etc to see then be a good boy and you have nothing to worry about. If there is a small chance my phone could locate me if the worse was to happen It makes me more happy to have it in my pocket. If youve done nothing wrong, youve nothing to fear AAAARGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
BoneDog Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 This has been a Public awareness announcement on behalf of El Empty tin foil corp. Thanks EE... keep up the good work
Ozwin Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Guys if you don't have an iPhone then you don't have an iPhone.
The Doctor Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Guys if you don't have an iPhone then you don't have an iPhone. anymore obvious and useless observations you'd like to make?
Ozwin Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 anymore obvious and useless observations you'd like to make? My comments are wasted on you people.
SystonFox Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Don't see the big problem myself... Like the courier dude said, if the worst happened and you were to "vanish" then surely the rozzers locating your decomposing rotting corpse via your 3G signal is a bonus cos then ya familia can put your body and soul to rest Posted via an iPhone. LOCAAAAATE MEEEEE
Jackirius Posted 22 April 2011 Posted 22 April 2011 Don't see the big problem myself... Like the courier dude said, if the worst happened and you were to "vanish" then surely the rozzers locating your decomposing rotting corpse via your 3G signal is a bonus cos then ya familia can put your body and soul to rest Posted via an iPhone. LOCAAAAATE MEEEEE Stab in the dark but.... Syston?
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