MPH Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 Some people may be wrather non-plussed about the whole idea of your phone keeping a record of wherever you go, but just think of the conotations.,... Security researchers have discovered that Apple's iPhone keeps track of where you go – and saves every detail of it to a secret file on the device which is then copied to the owner's computer when the two are synchronised.The file contains the latitude and longitude of the phone's recorded coordinates along with a timestamp, meaning that anyone who stole the phone or the computer could discover details about the owner's movements using a simple program. For some phones, there could be almost a year's worth of data stored, as the recording of data seems to have started with Apple's iOS 4 update to the phone's operating system, released in June 2010. "Apple has made it possible for almost anybody – a jealous spouse, a private detective – with access to your phone or computer to get detailed information about where you've been," said Pete Warden, one of the researchers. Full article Now you can bet your bottom dollar there will be some government involvement in this too... so if you intend to be a naughty boy or girl... don't take your iphone with you!!
zubi Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 To be honest I'm more worried about other forms of our personal data being monitored. I think Britain is one of the most CCTV'd countries in the world. As well as that governments can keep tabs on you just by you using a debit card or a phone. They know pretty much everything about your every day dealings. Not that every single person is being monitored, but it's still scary to know they might be watching you
MPH Posted 20 April 2011 Author Posted 20 April 2011 Just dont have your GPS on. From what i can work out its nothing to do with GPS... Mobile phone companies have been tracking the location of phones for years although the information is usually only obtainable by the police following a court order...
MPH Posted 20 April 2011 Author Posted 20 April 2011 Don't have an iphone then. and if you already have spent a few hundred quid on it, the contract, apps, music....... just throw it away if you dont like your private info being stored and recorded?
The Doctor Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 and if you already have spent a few hundred quid on it, the contract, apps, music....... just throw it away if you dont like your private info being stored and recorded? I'm not saying that, just it sort of serves you right for being a corporate shill and getting an iphone.
MPH Posted 20 April 2011 Author Posted 20 April 2011 I'm not saying that, just it sort of serves you right for being a corporate shill and getting an iphone. I do see your point... and i dont actually have an iphone myself but its the 'ethical' behavior of Apple that bugs me.... and them refusing to comment on it when asked to...
Jackirius Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 From what i can work out its nothing to do with GPS... Mobile phone companies have been tracking the location of phones for years although the information is usually only obtainable by the police following a court order... I'm afraid that is sci-fi, mobile phones can only be tracked if they make a phone call and then still records are only kept for about 2 weeks. It must be the GPS which is tracking there movements, i'm not sure if you can or cannot turn it off (as i don't have an iphone), but the capacity to store every single location of every single phone for years would be ridiculous, they must be built into the iphones RAM but it is strange that no one has figured it out till now, are you sure the article isn't just having a laugh? Apple could be in deep shit if this is true and they haven't gone through the right channels.
Jackirius Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 I'm not saying that, just it sort of serves you right for being a corporate shill and getting an iphone. I have a Blackberry so i cannot really comment
BoneDog Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 They can also listen in to conversations you have in your living room, car, pub or wherever even when you are not using your phone if the phone is within 5-10 metres of you. As long as the battery is in the phone then they can listen in.
The Doctor Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 I have a Blackberry so i cannot really comment Do who ever make blackberry release a new model with no obvious changes every 5/6 months, call it brand-new and improved so people will pay out again to get the same phone they already had and so they can charge people who were yet to buy the last model more than they otherwise would have been? edit: Oh and a mobile phone is a portal version of a regular phone, all it's meant to be able to do is phone people and maybe send text messages - all the apps and what not are flashy, pointless wastes of money.
Jackirius Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 This is the puzzle piece which connects Emptys evidence of the Illuminati New World Order master plan to take over the earth.
Jackirius Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 Do who ever make blackberry release a new model with no obvious changes every 5/6 months, call it brand-new and improved so people will pay out again to get the same phone they already had and so they can charge people who were yet to buy the last model more than they otherwise would have been? I've only ever had one blackberry so i wouldn't know but i am very disappointed, nothing compared to the hype that was around them.
Rocket-Ron Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 I'm not saying that, just it sort of serves you right for being a corporate shill and getting an iphone. The same company that makes your ipod??
Houdini Logic Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 Not sure this is exclusive to the iPhone - all networks keep a log of where you're picking up signal from, they've used it in many criminal cases.
MPH Posted 20 April 2011 Author Posted 20 April 2011 I'm afraid that is sci-fi, mobile phones can only be tracked if they make a phone call and then still records are only kept for about 2 weeks. It must be the GPS which is tracking there movements, i'm not sure if you can or cannot turn it off (as i don't have an iphone), but the capacity to store every single location of every single phone for years would be ridiculous, they must be built into the iphones RAM but it is strange that no one has figured it out till now, are you sure the article isn't just having a laugh? Apple could be in deep shit if this is true and they haven't gone through the right channels. Im afraid it is not sci-fi..... from the article i quoted earlier in the thread: Although mobile networks already record phones' locations, it is only available to the police and other recognised organisations following a court order under the Regulation of Investigatory Power Act. Standard phones do not record location data
Bellend Sebastian Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 I told you all that Apple were Skynet and you wouldn't believe me. Seriously though, I think the only unusual thing about the iphone is this thing about it saving the data to your computer when it syncs. Houdini L is right, it's been possible for mobile phone movement to be tracked for years. One of my physicist mates explained it to me and it's to do with your phone periodically contacting the network - it has to be turned on to do this, but not making or receiving a call. It's nothing to do with GPS, the network can tell how close a device is to a mast relative to other masts so it's location can be worked out, although how accurately I've no idea Edit: mph beat me to it
Samilktray Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 Do who ever make blackberry release a new model with no obvious changes every 5/6 months, call it brand-new and improved so people will pay out again to get the same phone they already had and so they can charge people who were yet to buy the last model more than they otherwise would have been? edit: Oh and a mobile phone is a portal version of a regular phone, all it's meant to be able to do is phone people and maybe send text messages - all the apps and what not are flashy, pointless wastes of money.
Jackirius Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 Im afraid it is not sci-fi..... from the article i quoted earlier in the thread: To be able to find out where a person was a day or so ago (say in a murder case) they will have needed to make a phone call, they cant just pluck a location out of where they were from billions of phones around the world.
Ozwin Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 I'm not saying that, just it sort of serves you right for being a corporate shill and getting an iphone. Bit harsh.
Houdini Logic Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 To be able to find out where a person was a day or so ago (say in a murder case) they will have needed to make a phone call, they cant just pluck a location out of where they were from billions of phones around the world. That's simply not true. Your phone is constantly looking for a connection to the nearest mast and these connections are always logged. Did you never wonder how the call to a mobile connects straight away - it's because the network know roughly where the phone you're calling is located. This is also how in murder cases the police know if the phone is no longer on/working (because it's no longer making connections). In the days before GPRS and 3G I had a very crap feature on my phone which was a 'show me my location' type of thing and it was only ever accurate within a mile or so because it worked on where the network thought it was picking up my signal
Jackirius Posted 20 April 2011 Posted 20 April 2011 That's simply not true. Your phone is constantly looking for a connection to the nearest mast and these connections are always logged. Did you never wonder how the call to a mobile connects straight away - it's because the network know roughly where the phone you're calling is located. This is also how in murder cases the police know if the phone is no longer on/working (because it's no longer making connections). In the days before GPRS and 3G I had a very crap feature on my phone which was a 'show me my location' type of thing and it was only ever accurate within a mile or so because it worked on where the network thought it was picking up my signal You're not really getting my point here.
stripeyfox Posted 21 April 2011 Posted 21 April 2011 That's simply not true. Your phone is constantly looking for a connection to the nearest mast and these connections are always logged. Did you never wonder how the call to a mobile connects straight away - it's because the network know roughly where the phone you're calling is located. This is also how in murder cases the police know if the phone is no longer on/working (because it's no longer making connections). In the days before GPRS and 3G I had a very crap feature on my phone which was a 'show me my location' type of thing and it was only ever accurate within a mile or so because it worked on where the network thought it was picking up my signal Dead right. In the Soham murder case, part of the evidence used to convict Ian Huntley (notwithstanding his ridiculous "explanation") was that they could pinpoint the time and location when Jessica's phone was switched off or destroyed.
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