FoxyPV Posted 10 July 2011 Posted 10 July 2011 Fuck Rangers and their links to the fucking Orange Order. Trees - it can be construed as instigating sectarian hatred by singing Irish republican songs. The Fields of the Athenry is about as Republican as afternoon tea. It's about the famine for fucksake.
Finnegan Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Fields of Athenry is sang at many Irish football and rugby matches. Does it make those fans provos? Or is the song really about as threatening as Terry Wogan? By the way, which "true" IRA do you mean - the one that started the 1916 uprising, or the ones that fought against British troops (and occasionally civilians) from the 70s onwards? The latter version were equally as passionate about the "illegal" occupation of the six counties. since when is it sectarian to have republican views? Fuck Rangers and their links to the fucking Orange Order. Trees - it can be construed as instigating sectarian hatred by singing Irish republican songs. The Fields of the Athenry is about as Republican as afternoon tea. It's about the famine for fucksake. I'd agree with all three of you, I think it's largely inoffensive and immensely tame but it's still (like all good folk music, take note Mumford and Sons) a protest song about the oppressive rule of the United Kingdom in Ireland. A fact that's highlighted by, as noted, Celtic's fans interlacing it's lines with pro-Sinn Fienn and PIRA chants (something, by the way, I've never heard Munster fans do - odd that.) What I'm saying is, even though it is immensely mild, it's still bound to antagonise the Gers knuckledraggers.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I'd agree with all three of you, I think it's largely inoffensive and immensely tame but it's still (like all good folk music, take note Mumford and Sons) a protest song about the oppressive rule of the United Kingdom in Ireland. A fact that's highlighted by, as noted, Celtic's fans interlacing it's lines with pro-Sinn Fienn and PIRA chants (something, by the way, I've never heard Munster fans do - odd that.) What I'm saying is, even though it is immensely mild, it's still bound to antagonise the Gers knuckledraggers. Celtic fans can't shit without pissing off a Hun.
Finnegan Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Celtic fans can't shit without pissing off a Hun. 'They' could stop calling them Huns for a start.
BlueSi13 Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Celtic & Rangers = Big clubs but with a large minority of completely neanderthal support who would like nothing more than to see the "troubles" reignited not only in Northern Ireland, but also on British soil aswell....all without having a single ****ing clue of what that would mean for families up and down the land, thanks to their misty eyed romanticism of the tragedy those times really were. Close thread.
BlueSi13 Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Weird thing I found in Hamburg last week was that most of the guys I met supported either HSV or St Pauli but also wanted the other to do well, sure there is a hardcore that obviously dont but shows how much bullshit I was fed by the Huns and the Tims. Precisely, and not at all surprising. Believe it or not, rivalries and derbies in our country, Germany and other civilised nations are based around...guess what...FOOTBALL. Not religion. Not war. Not bullshit militant politics. Just football. Thank **** for that.
Guest MattP Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 Celtic & Rangers = Big clubs but with a large minority of completely neanderthal support who would like nothing more than to see the "troubles" reignited not only in Northern Ireland, but also on British soil aswell....all without having a single ****ing clue of what that would mean for families up and down the land, thanks to their misty eyed romanticism of the tragedy those times really were. Close thread.
Guest MattP Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 It's the Malleys version that is preferred. It's the inserts which are bad, the song as itself isn't sectarian, the same can be said for a fair few songs from both sides. Its the lines added in that make it sectarian, Rangers are no different with version they sing of it. (fathers advice)
Guest Bilo Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 There are two different schools of thought on the term 'Hun' and whether or not it was originally intended to be a sectarian insult. One says that, like the term 'Old Firm' it's a name that was used in a newspaper report that stuck. Apparently a newspaper described Rangers hooligans as behaving 'like a pack of rampaging huns,' and Celtic fans immediately seized upon it. The other is more openly sectarian and claims that Celtic fans are throwing the WW1 era insult towards Germans back at the Rangers fans because they pledge allegiance to a Queen who is essentially German in background, a clear insult towards unionists in general. It's an interesting debate that makes you see the debate in a whole different light. The word 'Tim' for instance takes its roots from Catholic gangs in Glasgow in the early part of the 20th century called the Timalloys. There's no doubt that the bigotry cuts both ways.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 'They' could stop calling them Huns for a start. 'Hun' isn't sectarian though, I know of many cases where someone has been arrested for saying 'hun' or having a flag with the word on it, but it has never made it to court. Tim isn't sectarian either, and taig along with that.
FoxyPV Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 'Hun' isn't sectarian though, I know of many cases where someone has been arrested for saying 'hun' or having a flag with the word on it, but it has never made it to court. Tim isn't sectarian either, and taig along with that. It is in the context you are using them. Trust me, "Taig" is most definitely a sectarian term.
Webbo Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I'm so pleased that all this bullshit is irrelevant in England.
Finnegan Posted 11 July 2011 Posted 11 July 2011 I'm so pleased that all this bullshit is irrelevant in England. Fvcking proddy.
Guest MattP Posted 17 July 2011 Posted 17 July 2011 Forgot to post this. Recpetion a bit different from the Rangers fans.....
Charl91 Posted 18 July 2011 Posted 18 July 2011 Never been to Scotland or Ireland. Don't think i'v missed much.
lcfcadam Posted 18 July 2011 Posted 18 July 2011 Never been to Scotland or Ireland. Don't think i'v missed much. Don't bother then, leave them to the rest of us to enjoy. Having lived in Scotland for the first 7 years of my life I know what sort of a place it is and have learned to accept that both England and Scotland have their advantages and disadvantages. One of England's main problems is the levels of ignorance many of the people here display about the beautiful countries they're in union with. But if it means less caravans clogging up the highlands then I guess I'm all for it... Most of Scotland (and I would imagine most of Ireland) is totally embarrassed by the whole sectarian issue and want nothing to do with it at all...
accessory Posted 18 July 2011 Posted 18 July 2011 Precisely, and not at all surprising. Believe it or not, rivalries and derbies in our country, Germany and other civilised nations are based around...guess what...FOOTBALL. Not religion. Not war. Not bullshit militant politics. Just football. Thank **** for that. Oh really?
Webbo Posted 18 July 2011 Posted 18 July 2011 Oh really? I've read that article and I can't see any link with war, religion or militant politics.
Swalker Posted 18 July 2011 Posted 18 July 2011 Does anybody else remember that horrible day when we lost 5-1 at the City ground?? But the only memeraqble bit was when the whole ground stopped and applauded the troops as they went around the pitch during the game?? That was good respect for the troops!!
RedHux Posted 18 July 2011 Posted 18 July 2011 Does anybody else remember that horrible day when we lost 5-1 at the City ground?? But the only memeraqble bit was when the whole ground stopped and applauded the troops as they went around the pitch during the game?? That was good respect for the troops!!
Fosse Boy Posted 18 July 2011 Posted 18 July 2011 Precisely, and not at all surprising. Believe it or not, rivalries and derbies in our country, Germany and other civilised nations are based around...guess what...FOOTBALL. Not religion. Not war. Not bullshit militant politics. Just football. Thank **** for that. Chesterfield-Mansfield Newcastle-Sunderland Portsmouth-Southampton All have a political element to their history.
The Doctor Posted 18 July 2011 Posted 18 July 2011 Believe it or not, rivalries and derbies in our country, Germany and other civilised nations are based around...guess what...FOOTBALL. Not religion. Not war. Not bullshit militant politics. Just football. Thank **** for that. seriously? Quite a lot of derbies have some sort of political background behind them and the ones that don't are often local and caused by the fans of both sides living side by side or due to both being successful and competiting against each other for major honours each season.
Guest Bilo Posted 19 July 2011 Posted 19 July 2011 Chesterfield-Mansfield Newcastle-Sunderland Portsmouth-Southampton All have a political element to their history. What's the political element to the Tyne-Wear derby? Never knew that one mate.
The Doctor Posted 19 July 2011 Posted 19 July 2011 What's the political element to the Tyne-Wear derby? Never knew that one mate. might been mixing a few derbies up here but I'n pretty sure the tyne-wear derby had a great deal to do with the civil war. Edit: Yep, Newcastle had royal patronage & the licence to mine coal, sunderland meanwhile had to pay heavy tax on any coal exported from there. When the civil war came about, Newcastle sided with the crown to protect their status and income from the mining industry while sunderland sided with the parlimentarians.
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