Guest MattP Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 I truely think they would, if we are in the Premier and everything is going ok why sell? They have ambition and i believe want great things for us, so they ain't going to sell unless things get bad.. I never said Top was a Leicester fan but if they want the best for us then that's allgood for me If Sven was off would Top/co gave the greenlight for all these signings? hell no! Sven would have left by now and a new man would have been inplace.. They ain't going to commit to someone if like you said "he's off" that would be absolutely stupid to back Sven if they knew he was off anyhow! Yes there are many slimeballs in Football but Robson truely came across as simply being all about the money.. I perfectly happy with Sven in charge, he isn't a slimeball he may have been lead astray in certain things (Villa/Shiek talks) but that was simply naivety on his part i think and as for the Notts thing he was truely fooked and did Sven cry for his money back? no he simply let it go as he realised just what happened and how he and Notts County were taken for mugs.. If you believe it fair play, I wont knock you for that, I believe they (like most "investors") are here to make money as quick as possible. If they are so desperate to keep Sven why hasnt the contract been extended? Ive asked this question to about 15 diff people now and no one has given me an answer. Sven is a slimeball as well, lets make no mistake about that, we cant look at him through rose tinted specs, he has cheated on partners, touted himself around on numerous occasions for more money while under contract, took short term jobs from the most corrupt poorest countries in the world for huge financial gain and even flew to meet a government with the one of the worst human rights records in the world as a figurehead of a company he knew nothing about to try and earn even more money. I hope the guy does well here because my club depends on it, but Robson has done nothing that even mets the level of Sven's actions over the years.
unreachable Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 AFI bought out Cronus Sports Management's share, not King Power/Vichai/Top. All we know is that King Power and its owners are part of AFI, not who else is backing it up. It's not as clear cut as you'd think. Good to know who we aren't involved with the bunch of shysters exposed on Dispatches at least, but the ownership is still clouded in mystery. Do you understand why the club is being so mysterious particularly when the club says it is "committed to absolute transparency"?
Guest MattP Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 I agree. The Leicester Mercury and Radio Leicester won't investigate the position but simply repeat public statements and the Foxes Trust are too frightened in case its tenuous liaison with the club is curtailed. I worked in very close association with the Mercury for a couple of years, when Mandaric was there he made it quite clear if they printed anything negative about him they would lose any press relation with the football. They were absolutely sh*t scared and that was teh total reason they went straight up Sousas crack instead of asking some proper questions. I imagine the threat is even worse with this lot, when you read some of things King Power alledgedly did you think these guys probably wont be much different.
Haydos Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 If you believe it fair play, I wont knock you for that, I believe they (like most "investors") are here to make money as quick as possible. If they are so desperate to keep Sven why hasnt the contract been extended? Ive asked this question to about 15 diff people now and no one has given me an answer. Sven is a slimeball as well, lets make no mistake about that, we cant look at him through rose tinted specs, he has cheated on partners, touted himself around on numerous occasions for more money while under contract, took short term jobs from the most corrupt poorest countries in the world for huge financial gain and even flew to meet a government with the one of the worst human rights records in the world as a figurehead of a company he knew nothing about to try and earn even more money. I hope the guy does well here because my club depends on it, but Robson has done nothing that even mets the level of Sven's actions over the years. He's been here half a season. Why would they extend it before this season starts? What happens if we get to January and we're sitting 10 points off the play-offs? If we're promoted I think he'll stay, if we're not I think he'll leave. And I've expected that from the start. I don't know where all this concern has come from What happens with regards to the owners and the manager will depend on what happens on the pitch. I'll start to get concerned in January. Until then I'm gonna try and not be a miserable fvck and enjoy the ride.
Guest MattP Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 He's been here half a season. Why would they extend it before this season starts? What happens if we get to January and we're sitting 10 points off the play-offs? If we're promoted I think he'll stay, if we're not I think he'll leave. And I've expected that from the start. I don't know where all this concern has come from What happens with regards to the owners and the manager will depend on what happens on the pitch. I'll start to get concerned in January. Until then I'm gonna try and not be a miserable fvck and enjoy the ride. Because when you have a top manager and he only has a year left on his contract you look to extend it.
Haydos Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 Because when you have a top manager and he only has a year left on his contract you look to extend it. Why? This isn't like any other situation? They've stated clearly they want Prem football and they want it ASAP. "Because when you have a top manager and he only has a year left on his contract you look to extend it." That statement is laughable. Does that mean we unquestioningly keep Sven on forever?
Guest MattP Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 Why? This isn't like any other situation? They've stated clearly they want Prem football and they want it ASAP. "Because when you have a top manager and he only has a year left on his contract you look to extend it." That statement is laughable. Does that mean we unquestioningly keep Sven on forever? Not at all, but we are all expecting a big season and our managers contract expires at the end of the year, surely its worth adding another year on that? If we go up he is here at least for another year and we dont he has the challenge again for the year after. If we want to sack him these guys pay him off for a year. The last thing we need is to have a productive season with real progress and then watch the manager wander off at the end of the year, stability is the key to success at most football clubs.
Guest Bilo Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 Do you understand why the club is being so mysterious particularly when the club says it is "committed to absolute transparency"? Pretty clear that there are others involved in this consortium and the Raksriaksorns are just the public face. As for their reasons for shying away from the spotlight, we can only know those if we know their identity. Anything else is just conjecture.
Haydos Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 Not at all, but we are all expecting a big season and our managers contract expires at the end of the year, surely its worth adding another year on that? If we go up he is here at least for another year and we dont he has the challenge again for the year after. If we want to sack him these guys pay him off for a year. The last thing we need is to have a productive season with real progress and then watch the manager wander off at the end of the year, stability is the key to success at most football clubs. I think they'll want to consider their options to be honest. But what we'd do is different to what they'd do. With regards to the writing in bold, this is something I have championed since the start. If we don't go up, like I said, I expect him to either leave or be sacked. Personally I'm not expecting us to go up. I expect a challenge but promotion would be a bonus. I don't think the owners see it that way. I think they want promotion this year. Getting rid if we don't go up would be a mistake in my eyes, like you said, stability is key and we wouldn't need much more investment next summer if he was to stay. A new manager would mean more investment due to bringing in 'their players'. I've warmed to Sven and I'd like to see him have a go with a more settled team next year if we don't go up immediately .
Guest MattP Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 Totally agree with everything you have said in that post.
dave the caveman Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 You dont think its a season ticket holders right to know who is actually running the football club they support? I don't think it is necessarily. A shareholder definitely, but not a customer. It's obvious that there are people involved who we don't know and that they are hiding behind a whole structure of companies. To be honest I don't really care where the money is coming from while it's going towards building the club. If this was a scam there would be no money, like what happened at Notts County.
CKB Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 If you believe it fair play, I wont knock you for that, I believe they (like most "investors") are here to make money as quick as possible. If they are so desperate to keep Sven why hasnt the contract been extended? Ive asked this question to about 15 diff people now and no one has given me an answer. Sven is a slimeball as well, lets make no mistake about that, we cant look at him through rose tinted specs, he has cheated on partners, touted himself around on numerous occasions for more money while under contract, took short term jobs from the most corrupt poorest countries in the world for huge financial gain and even flew to meet a government with the one of the worst human rights records in the world as a figurehead of a company he knew nothing about to try and earn even more money. I hope the guy does well here because my club depends on it, but Robson has done nothing that even mets the level of Sven's actions over the years. I truely do believe it, they wouldn't do so much if they just had a quick sale in mind.. Pumping money into the training ground, the stadium rights and of course transfers.. I really do think we have struck it lucky here, yes the future could tell a different story but right now i am very confident we have some good guys in at our club Yes that is a valid point but i just can't see them backing the man if they ain't confident in him.. Another spin on this is are they seeing what happens and money isn't an object to them? we truely don't know how much they are worth maybe they are willing to take a loss on Sven signings and see what happens and if it goes poor Sven gets fired a new man installed and with that = new ideas, new players.. Maybe just maybe they are willing to take that loss? Sven like i said has been lead astray but once again you do raise valid points, he has had some dodgy dealings in the past and i haven't denied that but i do believe he has an air of naivety to him with certain FOOTBALL related mess ups he's been involved in.. I'm not getting into his personal life as that is not football related
CKB Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 You may well be right but it is the club's obligation to make this clear. I appreciate not many people on this site seem to be interested in the club's ownership but I'll keep plugging away! I think i was wrong anyhow with AFI, i think Top/Vic brought out the last share from Cronus and AFI are still involved.. I think Top/Vic have a big role in AFI? so it's more or less granted that King Power/Top/Vic are the main owners of our club.. Yes there are questions and of course you have the right to feel worried about who owns us, etc... I myself am just enjoying this ride at the moment and i'm pretty confident that all is above board here..
5waller5 Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 I don't share your short term view. That's fair enough. Football is a short term game, I can't see the point in getting worried about the longer term. You dont think its a season ticket holders right to know who is actually running the football club they support? Bonkers. No I don't. Certainly doesn't put me off buying a season ticket - why would it? I don't know the shareholders of almost all of the companies I do business with, if I like their product I buy it. Simples.
Guest MattP Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 That's fair enough. Football is a short term game, I can't see the point in getting worried about the longer term. No I don't. Certainly doesn't put me off buying a season ticket - why would it? I don't know the shareholders of almost all of the companies I do business with, if I like their product I buy it. Simples. Football is a short term game? Tell that to Man Utd and Barcelona and the youth systems they set up 20 years ago. If you think long term it sometimes works you know. Arsenal dont have the financial muscle of Man City Chelsea Man Utd etc but they have put a system in place that keeps them around the CL places despite this. Think short term, not a business plan I have ever equated with successful companies. I didnt say it should put you off a season ticket, I said season tickets holders should know who the owner is and I stand by that. Dont compare Leicester City to a bottle of sauce you buy off a supermarket wall, we both its not the same at all.
unreachable Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 That's fair enough. Football is a short term game, I can't see the point in getting worried about the longer term. No I don't. Certainly doesn't put me off buying a season ticket - why would it? I don't know the shareholders of almost all of the companies I do business with, if I like their product I buy it. Simples. You have a choice about where you can buy a product - I don't have a choice about the team I support and the emotions entwined in supporting a football club are not comparable to where I buy a bag of sugar. I would buy a season ticket and watch LCFC in the Football Conference but would still prefer the club to be honest and transparent in its dealings with its supporters and not put out poorly drafted Official Statements that expose the lack of transparency in the club's ownership. I just want the club to honestly comply with the Football League's regulations about public disclosure or explain why it thinks it is above the rules. It's not too much to ask for. If you make a statement it ought to be true otherwise what's the point in damaging your own public image by tarnishing all the good work now being done?
5waller5 Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 Football is a short term game? Tell that to Man Utd and Barcelona and the youth systems they set up 20 years ago. If you think long term it sometimes works you know. Arsenal dont have the financial muscle of Man City Chelsea Man Utd etc but they have put a system in place that keeps them around the CL places despite this. Think short term, not a business plan I have ever equated with successful companies. I didnt say it should put you off a season ticket, I said season tickets holders should know who the owner is and I stand by that. Dont compare Leicester City to a bottle of sauce you buy off a supermarket wall, we both its not the same at all. I can't be bothered to go into the Man Utd situation - you think they are long term??? Ask any of the green and yellow supporters their opinion of the "long term" view of the Glaziers. Bottle of sauce / LCFC season ticket .... both a product you have the choice whether to buy or not. The original post thought that season ticket holders deserved to know the true ownership structure of the club - That may be the case for a business partnership or to invest in the club - but not to buy a ticket.
5waller5 Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 You have a choice about where you can buy a product - I don't have a choice about the team I support and the emotions entwined in supporting a football club are not comparable to where I buy a bag of sugar. I would buy a season ticket and watch LCFC in the Football Conference but would still prefer the club to be honest and transparent in its dealings with its supporters and not put out poorly drafted Official Statements that expose the lack of transparency in the club's ownership. I just want the club to honestly comply with the Football League's regulations about public disclosure or explain why it thinks it is above the rules. It's not too much to ask for. If you make a statement it ought to be true otherwise what's the point in damaging your own public image by tarnishing all the good work now being done? You still have a choice about buying a season ticket. If you disagree strongly enough with the transparency of the current ownership then simply don't buy one. I didn't think that was a badly drafted statement - it made the point pretty clearly and unambiguously that they weren't associated with the dealings of the discredited individual. Job Done. Personally I don't care less about knowing the identity of every shareholder in the club - They are pumping money into it, seem to be quietly doing a great job, have recruited a top class manager and are building a fabulous team that I couldn't be more excited about seeing. It beats knowing that Milan is the 100% owner and watching league one football (actually I quite enjoyed that season - but I'm sure you get the drift).
wellyfox Posted 20 July 2011 Posted 20 July 2011 So as business men they buy a club front it with a couple of people and pass the fit and propper rules. The rules must not state you have to disclose all owners but you must tell the FA. To this point they have done nothing wrong. So as business men they have made a lot of money and want to keep it, thats why they are rich. So Top n co are the front men who have a few quid but not billions. We now buy better players and pay better wages to get them. Good idea lets tell the world who is bank rolling us so they all know what they/we are worth. We have just doubled transfer fee's and wages. I just take it with the other spending (pitch screens and training ground) they have money and are willing to spend it. By doing so says to me they are not here for a quick QUID.
Madrid_Fox Posted 21 July 2011 Posted 21 July 2011 I want to know who the bloody hell is in this consortium. I don't like the fact our name is being mentioned to readily arround this scandal.
accessory Posted 21 July 2011 Posted 21 July 2011 You have a choice about where you can buy a product - I don't have a choice about the team I support and the emotions entwined in supporting a football club are not comparable to where I buy a bag of sugar. I would buy a season ticket and watch LCFC in the Football Conference but would still prefer the club to be honest and transparent in its dealings with its supporters and not put out poorly drafted Official Statements that expose the lack of transparency in the club's ownership. I just want the club to honestly comply with the Football League's regulations about public disclosure or explain why it thinks it is above the rules. It's not too much to ask for. If you make a statement it ought to be true otherwise what's the point in damaging your own public image by tarnishing all the good work now being done? And what makes you think that we don't? The league demanded and received guarantees from the owners last season. There is no evidence to date which suggests these guarantees are being put at risk
Izzet is God Posted 21 July 2011 Posted 21 July 2011 Just seen it on 4od and would agree that it is worrying to see us being linked so evidently to Mr Joe Sim. However, C4 have created this programme to expose the worst thoughts in us all and seeing how much of a sham the buying and selling of clubs can be...which they succeeded in doing. It may be that are owners have links to this Joe bloke, but why on earth would they personally risk splashing their own company on everything LCFC unless they were here with a decent intention on at least staying for 5+ years. The programme showed that the funds came from an outside source who do not appear on the checks/board names etc...surely by our owners risking their own brand (which is no way connected to Mr Sim) is enough to show intent that they aren't in it for a quick buck and to sell up shop as soon as we are promoted. Like others have said in the thread...I don't think they would be willing to expose their own brand and potentially ruining their whole foundation whereas, if they just piled loan players into us this season and had not made any other decisions/deals then it would look extremely worrying. This Joe Sim, is bound to have connections throughout Thailand...the bloke is in the Thai FA, and C4 may have just literally look at Thai connections to the English game and jumped to assumptions from all the jazz he was saying. Just because he's met with AF for dinner doesn't mean a player is going to any club on loan. The player can still turn round and reject the loan move if he feels the offer isn't worthwhile and although I think BR is a knob...he's right, football is a business nowadays but that doesn't mean players and managers bend over backwards because the board tells them too...some players do actually give a toss about achieving.
Wymsey Posted 21 July 2011 Posted 21 July 2011 If there were any worries regarding this situation, it would be likely that the FoxesTrust would call for a meeting with the club officials, owners itself etc, if there were any concerns.
DBEightyFive Posted 21 July 2011 Posted 21 July 2011 I want to know who the bloody hell is in this consortium. I don't like the fact our name is being mentioned to readily arround this scandal. Our name and quite a few others as well. I'm not too worried...yet
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