North-LondonFox Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 I'm very excited about our new signings this summer and I don't want to complain at all, but does anyone else share my slight concern that the policy is starting to look a bit aimless? It just occured to me with the signing of Pantsil, Peltier, St Ledge. Konnechesky etc that we might be focussing more on quantity than quality? Perhaps we need one really exciting signing to really transform the side? It was just the other night when we started with Howard, Vass and Gally in the friiendly, it struck me that it would hardly be likely to strike fear into championship defences!! My other minor concern is that we have some great youngsters in Schlupp, Moore and Parkes and if we simply have a massive squad then it will be very difficult for them to break through - however, if we had a sensible sized squad with top quality players this would be ideal for bringing youngsters through? Anyway - I am genuinely not here to be negative - I am a big fan of Sven and very excited by the close season activity, but I had these nagging concerns so I thought i'd see what others think?
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 So you don't think Konchesky, Pantsil etc have quality??
MC Prussian Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 We needed to strengthen our defense without having to rely on loan players, like we did last season. That's what the management team have done by buying reliable, more-than-just-solid centre-backs and left/right backs.
North-LondonFox Posted 23 July 2011 Author Posted 23 July 2011 No - i do think they have decent quality, but we have already signed a RB in Peltier so why sign another? Its just an opinion. I just figured some signings of players who can really change games might be needed - those who can turn a game with a moment of magic etc - not sure we've really added that sort of quality - do you think we have?
Cropwellfox Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 I'm very excited about our new signings this summer and I don't want to complain at all, but does anyone else share my slight concern that the policy is starting to look a bit aimless? It just occured to me with the signing of Pantsil, Peltier, St Ledge. Konnechesky etc that we might be focussing more on quantity than quality? Perhaps we need one really exciting signing to really transform the side? It was just the other night when we started with Howard, Vass and Gally in the friiendly, it struck me that it would hardly be likely to strike fear into championship defences!! My other minor concern is that we have some great youngsters in Schlupp, Moore and Parkes and if we simply have a massive squad then it will be very difficult for them to break through - however, if we had a sensible sized squad with top quality players this would be ideal for bringing youngsters through? Anyway - I am genuinely not here to be negative - I am a big fan of Sven and very excited by the close season activity, but I had these nagging concerns so I thought i'd see what others think? I think that aimless is far from what's happening, but that's just my view. At the end of last season it was obvious that it was defence that needed strengthening. It was clear Neilson, Kennedy and Lamey would never play for us again, and man for man, replacing Van Aanholt, Mee, Naughton, Bruma, Vitor (none of whom were ours) and Hobbs with the permanent signings of Peltier, Pantsil, St Ledger, Mills, Konchesky, and possibly Ball, is great. The overwhelming majority of supporters were calling for experience, established players in the champ who could also hold their own in the prem, and that's exactly what we've got. Having 2 players for each position is important, and it's worth remembering that Peltier is also developing ability as a defensive midfielder, and i wouldn't be surprised if he features there this year as well as RB. It's true there's a bit more to do in the final third . However, I rate Nugent far more highly than Kamara, and with up to £4.5m cash bid for Maynard it's clear that we've still got real funds to strengthen up front, and possibly out wide. The most important thing this preseason was to get the completely new defence gelling and with the exception of Pantsil that's mission accomplished. That's the base to build on, and i'm absolutely confident at least one forward will be added to complement what we have already in time for the Chav game. Now whether it all comes together and leads to success is another question entirely, but I wouldn't change anything about our transfer policy so far this summer.
Callabinho Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 No - i do think they have decent quality, but we have already signed a RB in Peltier so why sign another? Its just an opinion. I just figured some signings of players who can really change games might be needed - those who can turn a game with a moment of magic etc - not sure we've really added that sort of quality - do you think we have? If peltier gets injured who plays? Filbert?
MC Prussian Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 If peltier gets injured who plays? Filbert? Pantsil. St. Ledger's also rumoured to be able to play RB.
Pookie Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 I'm very excited about our new signings this summer and I don't want to complain at all, but does anyone else share my slight concern that the policy is starting to look a bit aimless? It just occured to me with the signing of Pantsil, Peltier, St Ledge. Konnechesky etc that we might be focussing more on quantity than quality? Perhaps we need one really exciting signing to really transform the side? It was just the other night when we started with Howard, Vass and Gally in the friiendly, it struck me that it would hardly be likely to strike fear into championship defences!! My other minor concern is that we have some great youngsters in Schlupp, Moore and Parkes and if we simply have a massive squad then it will be very difficult for them to break through - however, if we had a sensible sized squad with top quality players this would be ideal for bringing youngsters through? Anyway - I am genuinely not here to be negative - I am a big fan of Sven and very excited by the close season activity, but I had these nagging concerns so I thought i'd see what others think? We have replaced RB - Neilson & Lamey for Pantsil & Peltier LB - Berner for Koncheskey, possibly Ball who can play CB CB - Hobbs with Mills & St Leger Adding competition in the central midfield 3 with Danns Plus Nugent and we're actively seeking to strengthen our forward line I would say that is quality over quantity! We couldn't get near the play-offs with youngsters from top 4 prem teams last season, this season is not time to blood youngsters. If Sven feels they need game time to forward their development, they will be loaned out to league 1 or 2 clubs To me our transfer policy this summer has been spot on and the icing on the cake will be if we can land the 20+ goals a season striker. That is the exciting signing we're all after as fans!
One Arm Babba Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 errr??? wasn't the goal to get 2 in each position and competition for places. I think our defence is complete, midfield possibly 1 more and upfront 2 more. the squad hasnt looked so good in about 10 years.
davieG Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 I doubt it's haphazard, difficult and hard to predict but it strikes me the that Sven & Faz have been very clinical in their approach seemingly lining up two potential signings one as cover for the other and then dropping out when they got their preferred or better option. I can't see that any of the current signings were not required As for the youths there's always a reason for managers not to play them, relegation fights, play-off attempts and now the biggy auto-promotion. Sven has Schlupp in the squad so must believe he offers an option as for the others he obviously feels they are not ready or not good enough. He's shown that he's not averse to using youngsters but has been very clear to state that last year we had too many even if they were the 'cream of the crop' from PL clubs.
North-LondonFox Posted 23 July 2011 Author Posted 23 July 2011 If peltier gets injured who plays? Filbert? Fair point - but perhaps we would be better to sign a winger rather than another a right back? My point is that we seem to have more than enough in one position and not enough in others? Strengthening the defence is fantatsic - and we absolutely needed to do it. However, you don't win matches without scoring goals so I think we need to focus on the other end of the pitch as well? I am sure a fully fit and focussed Nugent will do vey well for us, but I would like to see a bit more up top. Sorry, I awlays try to be positive an I reiterate that IO have been really happy with the management, its just looking at our squd it occureed to me that the defence was great, but we haven't got that much up top.
marbelladave Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 No - i do think they have decent quality, but we have already signed a RB in Peltier so why sign another? Its just an opinion. I just figured some signings of players who can really change games might be needed - those who can turn a game with a moment of magic etc - not sure we've really added that sort of quality - do you think we have? Defensive frailties cost us dear last season, I am pleased that Sven has got players in to sort that out, even with a couple of players out we still can field a pretty impressive back 4. Agree entirely with the need for a 'proper' playmaker, we really are laking in that department. King scores goals but creates nothing outside the box, Wellens simply is not good enough which leaves Gallagher as our only creative attacker, nowhere near enough in my view. I would go as far as to say that such a player is even more important than the '20 goal striker' that so many people hammer on about. Create decent chances and Vassell, Nugent etc are capable of putting them away.
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 Oh I agree with you there mate, we do look light up front....but its pretty clear that Sven is trying to fill that void too
davieG Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 Merc Leicester City have more than one striker target as they bid to bolster their attack with a 20-goal-a-season frontman, says manager Sven-Goran Eriksson.City are chasing Bristol City's Nicky Maynard and have had three bids for the 24-year-old turned down so far. But City, who play their final pre-season tour match today against Valencia in Austria, have not given up. Although Eriksson would not comment on individuals, he said he does have other options if he is unsuccessful in landing his number one target. City, who have officially announced John Pantsil as their eighth summer signing, will now step up their attempts to sign a striker. "We have to have more than one target because otherwise, if you go for one target and it proves to be impossible, then you end up without, so yes, there is more than one target," he said. "Before we have players signed, I don't want to comment on names, it is not right. "I am almost certain that there will be a couple more players coming in. "We want to try to make the squad as strong as possible and we would like to have two players in every position, to have 20 outfield players who are all strong so we can change over now and again, because I think it is necessary. "We have 46 games, which is a lot. "We have a squad that is strong and we will be strong all the way to the end of the season, which you need in this league." Speculation that the arrival of another striker could see one of City's other strikers leave has led to rumours linking Steve Howard to Sheffield Wednesday. But Eriksson said he had received no approach from Wednesday, and that Howard wanted to stay at the King Power Stadium. Howard scored four goals in the recent victory against Vasalunds in Sweden, and Eriksson said he was happy with the 35-year-old, who has a year left to run on his contract. "There has not been any contact about Steve, not that we know about," said Eriksson. "There have been rumours about Steve for one year now. "Every time he says he doesn't want to leave, he wants to stay, so if there are clubs they have to contact us and contact Steve."
Callabinho Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 Fair point - but perhaps we would be better to sign a winger rather than another a right back? My point is that we seem to have more than enough in one position and not enough in others? Strengthening the defence is fantatsic - and we absolutely needed to do it. However, you don't win matches without scoring goals so I think we need to focus on the other end of the pitch as well? I am sure a fully fit and focussed Nugent will do vey well for us, but I would like to see a bit more up top. Sorry, I awlays try to be positive an I reiterate that IO have been really happy with the management, its just looking at our squd it occureed to me that the defence was great, but we haven't got that much up top. Svens main aim was to plug up the back 4, which I think he has done. We all know sven likes pace down either wing so Pantsil, Pelts, and Koncheskey will provide the majority of the wing play. I guess we will play 4-3-3 again and only drop to 4-4-2 if an injury occurs or for tactical reasons in play. As for other positions we know that getting a forward who can consistently score week in week out is a indispensable. I can see the main striker (Maynard-Yak) coming in and then sven may bring in one or two other players. Don't for get we haven't used the loan market yet and I think that any "Big name" signing will be made via loan. My money is on SWP, Man city will not sell him/ loan him to another premier league club unless they pay silly money for him, leaving him surplus to requirements. A six month loan with us will do no harm, in fact it could drop his valuation meaning a Bolton or Everton could get him for around £2 million in January. Sven still has a trick up his sleeve.
wellyfox Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 Fair point - but perhaps we would be better to sign a winger rather than another a right back? My point is that we seem to have more than enough in one position and not enough in others? Strengthening the defence is fantatsic - and we absolutely needed to do it. However, you don't win matches without scoring goals so I think we need to focus on the other end of the pitch as well? I am sure a fully fit and focussed Nugent will do vey well for us, but I would like to see a bit more up top. Sorry, I awlays try to be positive an I reiterate that IO have been really happy with the management, its just looking at our squd it occureed to me that the defence was great, but we haven't got that much up top. Your correct we can't win if we don;t score but even if the seasons started today we have goals in us. Praps not many but we would score. But one thing is for sure if we don't concede we Can't lose. Read clough's book and why he left Middlesborough as a player and the leason he carried into management. In his word's near as damn we would score 4 play great but concede 5. 1-0 every game boring arsenal but we would be champions. SVEN GO GET A STRIKER PLSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSE
North-LondonFox Posted 23 July 2011 Author Posted 23 July 2011 Transfers John Pantsil - defender Paul Konchesky - defender Matt Mills - defender David Nugent - forward Sean St Ledger - defender Kasper Schmeical - keeper Neil Danns - mf Lee Peltier - defender Chaps - see our list of signings - 5 defenders, a keeper, a box to box mf and a striker. I don't think it is too controversial to say that we need to diversify a bit? I don't think we look formidable in the mf or up top and we ciuld have done with balancing the t'fer policy a bit. It is only an opinion, but I remain pretty convinced it is a sound and logical one.
dog_4 Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 mills is a top top defender! konchesky and pantsil played in a very successful fulham team and schmeichel is a great keeper! sven has said he's looking for 2 more attacking players! so i'm not concerned! love to see Kebe and maynard! think that would transform us!
North-LondonFox Posted 23 July 2011 Author Posted 23 July 2011 mills is a top top defender! konchesky and pantsil played in a very successful fulham team and schmeichel is a great keeper! sven has said he's looking for 2 more attacking players! so i'm not concerned! love to see Kebe and maynard! think that would transform us! I think we need a creative mf, and two forwardsand that would transform us - but I think you get where I am coming from.
sbfox Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 Transfers John Pantsil - defender Paul Konchesky - defender Matt Mills - defender David Nugent - forward Sean St Ledger - defender Kasper Schmeical - keeper Neil Danns - mf Lee Peltier - defender Chaps - see our list of signings - 5 defenders, a keeper, a box to box mf and a striker. I don't think it is too controversial to say that we need to diversify a bit? I don't think we look formidable in the mf or up top and we ciuld have done with balancing the t'fer policy a bit. It is only an opinion, but I remain pretty convinced it is a sound and logical one. Yes, but we've also lost 5+ defenders (Bruma, PVA, Hobbs, Lamey, Neilson, Kennedy, Mee) and needed to replace them. We can score and we don't need a dearth of strikers - one more will do us fine.
North-LondonFox Posted 23 July 2011 Author Posted 23 July 2011 Yes, but we've also lost 5+ defenders (Bruma, PVA, Hobbs, Lamey, Neilson, Kennedy, Mee) and needed to replace them. We can score and we don't need a dearth of strikers - one more will do us fine. I think we need to defend well, retain possession and score goals - that is how you win footy matches. I have no doubt we have the strength to defend, but I think we need a bit more in other areas of the pitch. rather than signing 2 x defenders in each position perhaps we should have concentrated more on other departments. It is also worth noting that attackin play is what excites fans and fills stadiums - I know winning is the main thing, but I for one, feel much better watching a side that wins playing attacking football. Time will tell, but it might be worth reviving this thread in November to see whether I have got it completely wrong!!
Ric Flair Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 Transfers John Pantsil - defender Paul Konchesky - defender Matt Mills - defender David Nugent - forward Sean St Ledger - defender Kasper Schmeical - keeper Neil Danns - mf Lee Peltier - defender Chaps - see our list of signings - 5 defenders, a keeper, a box to box mf and a striker. I don't think it is too controversial to say that we need to diversify a bit? I don't think we look formidable in the mf or up top and we ciuld have done with balancing the t'fer policy a bit. It is only an opinion, but I remain pretty convinced it is a sound and logical one. Naughton, Bruma, Vitor, Mee, Hobbs and Van Aan Holt have all left as has Ricardo. We needed to replace all of them and plus we shipped a shocking amount of goals. Sven has also said he wants a few more players (striker and a wide player) Chill out. Prat.
sbfox Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 I think we need to defend well, retain possession and score goals - that is how you win footy matches. I have no doubt we have the strength to defend, but I think we need a bit more in other areas of the pitch. rather than signing 2 x defenders in each position perhaps we should have concentrated more on other departments. It is also worth noting that attackin play is what excites fans and fills stadiums - I know winning is the main thing, but I for one, feel much better watching a side that wins playing attacking football. Time will tell, but it might be worth reviving this thread in November to see whether I have got it completely wrong!! Arsenal fans might correct you on that one... I don't want ANOTHER season of us banging in 3, only for crappy defending seeing us conceding 3 down the other end (a la 'Boro away). I'd always take a 1-0 win if it meant us going up as Champions.
North-LondonFox Posted 23 July 2011 Author Posted 23 July 2011 Naughton, Bruma, Vitor, Mee, Hobbs and Van Aan Holt have all left as has Ricardo. We needed to replace all of them and plus we shipped a shocking amount of goals. Sven has also said he wants a few more players (striker and a wide player) Chill out. Prat. Most of that was a decent post mate. the last bit's not up too much though - sound like an american teenager tryin to be a lad.
Ric Flair Posted 23 July 2011 Posted 23 July 2011 Most of that was a decent post mate. the last bit's not up too much though - sound like an american teenager tryin to be a lad. Wish I was a teenager again mate.
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