hackneyfox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Howard deserves his place on the bench every time for me, he undoubtedly gives us an extra dimension. People always talk about his physical attributes and strength in the air but I'm going to go all out and say he's not actually a terrible finisher either! He's not actually a very good finisher either. He spends most of his time on his arse or moaning to the referee.
LcFc_Smiv Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 What defensive line would want to be bullied for 15 minutes by a bloke like Howard, after spending the rest of the game chasing Nugent, Beckford or Vassell around the pitch.
hackneyfox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Most of them in The Championship I'd imagine, they could be pretty confident that he won't score.
terry2simmo Posted 7 October 2011 Author Posted 7 October 2011 He didn't Score against Derby but he made the opportunity for Dyer.
Bugg Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Howard was good in league one, that was 3 seasons ago, as much as I like him I know that he isn't up to it anymore. He just isn't good enough and I think we all need to stop thinking he's great because of that good season in League One
Mack Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 If passion and desire was the only required attribute to be a high level footballer I would be playing for Barca and Greece. The bloke has huge passion but is on the whole well past his sell by date. Don't be fooled by a 5 minute cameo in a dead game.
Foxhateram Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Most of them in The Championship I'd imagine, they could be pretty confident that he won't score. He might not score but he drags defenders out of position, is strong on the ball (holding it up well), has very good ball control and is overall a pain in the arse to try and mark. Meaning that defensive emphasis goes onto him (as he is seen as the big man who nods things on, therefore a threat) leaving players such as Nugent, Dyer, Beckford, King et all to slip in behind while the defense is distracted by Big Steve. Really annoys me how a striker is judged on his ability to score, scoring is not all that a striker is there to do, Steve's job isn't to score its to do the above.
hackneyfox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 But Super Stevie and Dyer showed just what we are missing from our team, passion and width. Alternatively they showed just how much we have improved. I had hoped this thread was a wind up at first.
hackneyfox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 He might not score but he drags defenders out of position, is strong on the ball (holding it up well), has very good ball control and is overall a pain in the arse to try and mark. Meaning that defensive emphasis goes onto him (as he is seen as the big man who nods things on, therefore a threat) leaving players such as Nugent, Dyer, Beckford, King et all to slip in behind while the defense is distracted by Big Steve. Really annoys me how a striker is judged on his ability to score, scoring is not all that a striker is there to do, Steve's job isn't to score its to do the above. He doesn't do any of the above to a decent standard. How many assists does he get? He's a lump that either gives away free kicks or ends up on his arse with his arms spread wide moaning at the ref. I cannot believe that people are still fooled by him. Weale, Morrisson, Hobbs, Dyer, Howard, Fryatt, Waghorn and god knows how many others from the last few seasons. We've improved massively on that shower of shite.
Foxhateram Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 He doesn't do any of the above to a decent standard. How many assists does he get? He's a lump that either gives away free kicks or ends up on his arse with his arms spread wide moaning at the ref. I cannot believe that people are still fooled by him. Weale, Morrisson, Hobbs, Dyer, Howard, Fryatt, Waghorn and god knows how many others from the last few seasons. We've improved massively on that shower of shite. oh ffs, you mean we have bigger names than that list now, or do you mean better players? Fryatt has scored just 1 less than our top scorer, waghorn the same, Howard has got assists in every game he has played this season, including the cup matches he appeared in and the derby win on saturday, Hobbs has gone on to be a good consistent performer in a Hull team that are higher than us the league and have achieved more clean sheets than we have so far this season, and dyer has had a positive affect with every sub appearance he has made so far. therefore the only player to have not gone anywhere from your list is morrison. be more positive
hackneyfox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 You think our team would be improved by playing Hobbs, Fryatt, Waghorn, Howard & Dyer rather than Mills, Nugent, Beckford, Vassel & Danns? You need to stop taking the happy pills, go to specsavers and probably stop wasting your money on watching football. I really can't believe how some on here have an infatuation with a player due to him having played well in the distant past and are then unable to see that the player is no longer good enough. You have to be wumming.
terry2simmo Posted 7 October 2011 Author Posted 7 October 2011 Wow! it must be so hard for you to bear having to support a team with so many shite players in their ranks. Bet your glass is never half full. This thread was not a wind up but a genuine and fair proposition. Judging by the roar when Howard came on last Saturday I should think you were one of the very few who did not join in. Thats assuming that you were there of course.Have a nice day.
hackneyfox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 How was Dyer a positive effect on saturday, he scored a very lucky goal but looked shit scared when it first came to him. He's absolute rot
Corky Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 He didn't Score against Derby but he made the opportunity for Dyer. He did blatantly take out a Derby defender in the process. Very sly work though from Howard to not get caught.
AdamN Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 be more positive We've improved massively on that shower of shite. How is that not being positive? And anyway, Hackney is right. As much as I like Howard as a personality, he's incredibly limited as a footballer. There's no way he'd get in the squad over Nugent, Beckford, Vassell or Schlupp, and rightly so.
hackneyfox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Wow! it must be so hard for you to bear having to support a team with so many shite players in their ranks. Bet your glass is never half full. This thread was not a wind up but a genuine and fair proposition. Judging by the roar when Howard came on last Saturday I should think you were one of the very few who did not join in. Thats assuming that you were there of course.Have a nice day. Most of the shite players have gone, we just need to get rid of Weale, Howard & Dyer. Lots of people buy The Sun, that doesn't make it a good paper. Most of those who know their football gave up on Howard & Dyer a long time ago. Most of this board were still supporting Weale last season, based on what he did in his first season. That seems to have finally changed, thank fook.
terry2simmo Posted 7 October 2011 Author Posted 7 October 2011 I suppose the best place for someone so self opinionated is a forum so I bow to your obvious greater football knowledge. I have only followed city fo 55 years and I have learnt nothing in that short time. I was always taught to respect others opinions but in this case I wiil treat it with the contempt it deserves. But I afford you the respct you deserve as a fellow fox fan. Oh by the way I much prefer the Telegraph. the Sun is far too highbrow for an old fart like myself.I would just like to say that I am not a wum just because I have a different opinion to yours. In fact you would get a more accurate interpretation if you looked in the mirror. All the best .
RowlattsFox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Although Hackney is over the top with his criticisms, I do agree with him that Howard is not as great as many seem to think, in my opinion of course. Yes he had a great cameo on Saturday, he was clearly up for it up against his former club. However his two main contributions, the bulldozing run and assist, both would have been given as fouls on a different day. Out of our strikers, Howard would be last on the list, I wouldn't want Schlupp's development being affected because we've got Howard sitting on the bench instead of him.
hackneyfox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 I suppose the best place for someone so self opinionated is a forum so I bow to your obvious greater football knowledge. I have only followed city fo 55 years and I have learnt nothing in that short time. I was always taught to respect others opinions but in this case I wiil treat it with the contempt it deserves. But I afford you the respct you deserve as a fellow fox fan. Oh by the way I much prefer the Telegraph. the Sun is far too highbrow for an old fart like myself.I would just like to say that I am not a wum just because I have a different opinion to yours. In fact you would get a more accurate interpretation if you looked in the mirror. All the best . Everyone is entitled to an opinion it's just that yours is shit (as the late great Tony Wilson said). Sorry, didn't meant to upset you but I'm sick and tired of people constantly rating players on something they did a few seasons back. I honestly think that Howard is rubbish, he may have the odd 15 minute cameo as he did at the weekend but I wouldn't have him on the bench. We have Vassel, Nugent & Beckford that Sven wants to play together up front, we have Schlup for cover, why on earth would you have 5 forward in your matchday squad. And when people start comparing Hobbs with Mills or Bamba or claiming that Dyer is a good player then I lose it. I'm very happy with the new players that Sven has added to the squad, I see the likes of Howard, Dyer, Weale, Hobbs & Waghorn as being a massive step backwards. And when someone mentions Fryatt and how many goals he has scored ........ We had injuries to Johnson, Wellens & Beckford on Saturday, would you really want to leave 2 of those out the squad so that Howard & dyer can sit on the bench. PS Your opening post stated 'This is my first post but feel free to be forthright in your views.' I was forthright so stop whinging
terry2simmo Posted 7 October 2011 Author Posted 7 October 2011 Thanks Rowlatts I agree with you entirely. My whole point was that the odd cameo in certain games and Howard could be effective. I never advocated a full 90 minute return to matchplay . I suppose the 5 sub rule rules the argument out really. Except for injuries as on Saturday,
terry2simmo Posted 7 October 2011 Author Posted 7 October 2011 Point taken Hackney but Do it with Respect .
hackneyfox Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 It's a struggle when you get people still going on about Hobbs, Waghorn, Fryatt & Dyer.
General Smuts Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 He might not score but he drags defenders out of position, is strong on the ball (holding it up well), has very good ball control and is overall a pain in the arse to try and mark. Meaning that defensive emphasis goes onto him (as he is seen as the big man who nods things on, therefore a threat) leaving players such as Nugent, Dyer, Beckford, King et all to slip in behind while the defense is distracted by Big Steve. Really annoys me how a striker is judged on his ability to score, scoring is not all that a striker is there to do, Steve's job isn't to score its to do the above. As Leicester fans we more than any should be sensitive to this issue having birthed big Emile. Saying that everyone is right that having Super Stevie on the bench is all well and good and certainly worthwhile with 7 subs but to pick him ahead of a developing Schlupp or the influential talisman Franck Moussa is madness.
paddy Agyemang Posted 7 October 2011 Posted 7 October 2011 Howard is a legend and for all the doubters out there he still has it as a sub I've loved the bloke ever since he joined and there's not many players like him anymore
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