The Year Of The Fox Posted 11 November 2011 Author Posted 11 November 2011 I had a argument debate with a bloke at work about the origins of our soldiers being called Tommy and he said it was because we used the American Thompson gun (tommy gun)... But i knew Tommy was around well before that gun was... Thought 'Tommy' came from the gun we used. Though I thought it was a British weapon?
Head Honcho Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 Something I think worth sharing with everyone. This will be the first remembrance day with no surviving WW1 combatants alive.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 11 November 2011 Author Posted 11 November 2011 Reynard bleu- were you on the guards then? You're not giving much away! (maybe you don't want to to be fair)
davieG Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 Thought 'Tommy' came from the gun we used. Though I thought it was a British weapon? It's believed to have originated from a soldier called Tommy Atkins, leastwise that's what I thought certainly well before the 'Tommy Gun' was introduced. A poem from 1899 Such was the day for our regiment, Dread the revenge we will take. Dearly we paid for the blunder A drawing-room General's mistake. Why weren't we told of the trenches? Why weren't we told of the wire? Why were we marched up in column, May Tommy Atkins enquire…
Rincewind Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 Posted on Facebook. On a cold November Sunday morn, an old man sits a whileLooking though old photographs, he can’t help but smileThey’re all there, all the boys, with hair cut short and neatUniforms of khaki, strong black boots upon their feet.They met as strangers but soon became like brothers to the end... Smiling at the camera, there could be no truer friends.They all took the Queen’s shilling, went off to fight the hun,Soon learnt the pain of loss once the fighting had begun.So many never made it home, lost on foreign shoresMany more were injured and would be the same no more.The old man’s eyes mist with tears as he remembers every faceEach of his fallen brothers and the killing which took placeHe proudly dons his beret, his blazer and his tieFor today he will remember the ones who fell and died.On his chest there is a poppy, a blaze of scarlet on the blueHe steps out into the cold, he has a duty he must doOnce at the cenotaph he stands amongst the ranksOf those who marched to war and those who manned the tanks,He bows his head in reverence, as the last post begins to playAnd he wonders what will happen at the ending of his daysWill anyone remember? Will anybody care?About the lads so far from home whose life was ended there?I wish that I could tell him, that he should fear notFor this soldier and his brothers will NEVER be forgotWe owe a debt of gratitude that we can never payAnd this country WILL remember them, on each Remembrance day xx
The Year Of The Fox Posted 11 November 2011 Author Posted 11 November 2011 Posted on Facebook. On a cold November Sunday morn, an old man sits a whileLooking though old photographs, he can’t help but smileThey’re all there, all the boys, with hair cut short and neatUniforms of khaki, strong black boots upon their feet.They met as strangers but soon became like brothers to the end... Smiling at the camera, there could be no truer friends.They all took the Queen’s shilling, went off to fight the hun,Soon learnt the pain of loss once the fighting had begun.So many never made it home, lost on foreign shoresMany more were injured and would be the same no more.The old man’s eyes mist with tears as he remembers every faceEach of his fallen brothers and the killing which took placeHe proudly dons his beret, his blazer and his tieFor today he will remember the ones who fell and died.On his chest there is a poppy, a blaze of scarlet on the blueHe steps out into the cold, he has a duty he must doOnce at the cenotaph he stands amongst the ranksOf those who marched to war and those who manned the tanks,He bows his head in reverence, as the last post begins to playAnd he wonders what will happen at the ending of his daysWill anyone remember? Will anybody care?About the lads so far from home whose life was ended there?I wish that I could tell him, that he should fear notFor this soldier and his brothers will NEVER be forgotWe owe a debt of gratitude that we can never payAnd this country WILL remember them, on each Remembrance day xx That's brilliant, especially the last few lines. Copying that now
Rincewind Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 Not mine I left the poster name off cos I dont know where they got it from.
I am Rod Hull Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above, Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love; The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test, That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best; The love that never falters, the love that pays the price, The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice. I heard my country calling, away across the sea, Across the waste of waters she calls and calls to me. Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head, And round her feet are lying the dying and the dead. I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns, I haste to thee my mother, a son among thy sons. And there's another country, I've heard of long ago, Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know; We may not count her armies, we may not see her King; Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering; And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase, And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace. The second verse (not included in the vid) is deemed unfit for todays world, quite amusing when gangster rappers can spout crap about popping caps in peoples asses and killing cops... The second verse for me is for all our Canadian, Aussie, NZ, SA, Indian, African and other brothers who fought along side us for freedom and democracy... (doffs cap)
Rincewind Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 The Generals Speech 1914-1918 A young man watched open-mouthedAs he listened to the general's speechWho spoke of pinnacles of braveryThat only a fearless man could reach.The young man was given a uniformAnd a rifle placed into his handHe proudly stood on the ship's deckAs it sailed to a foreign land.Lying in a trench covered in mudHe waited anxiously for the callThinking about going over the topWhere he would see the enemy fall.At last the captain gave the orderRighto chaps do your bestThe young man ran but 20 yardsHeedless of shells hitting his chest.His memories spilled onto the groundWhere his comrades were not far behindThey trampled his short life underfootLost in the earth never to be found.The young man was laid beneath the grassWhere he used to run and playOn his old school's roll of honour boardWas added another young mans name.A young man watched open-mouthedAs he listened to the general's speech. © Copyright
Houdini Logic Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 Bent double, like old beggars under sacks, Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge, Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs And towards our distant rest began to trudge. Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind; Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind. Gas! Gas! Quick, boys!---An ecstasy of fumbling, Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time; But someone still was yelling out and stumbling, And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime... Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light, As under a green sea, I saw him drowning. In all my dreams, before my helpless sight, He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning. If in some smothering dreams you too could pace Behind the wagon that we flung him in, And watch the white eyes writhing in his face, His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin; If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--- My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori.
I am Rod Hull Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 Any WW1 stories ? An old WW1 soldier that used to live across the way from us used to tell us about his time in the "Great War". In the mid 1970`s my dad used to poach shoot rabbits and pheasants on a Sunday Morning and swap them for allotment veg down the working mens club on a Sunday dinner time. There was one bloke who got a rabbit or two for nowt, we knew him as "adgy". Many a time my mam and dad sent me and a brother over to his house to take a rabbit or two for him and his old gal. They were fantastic people, so warm and friendly and we always got a glass of barley water and a biscuit, no TV , just the radio and the ticking of the clock above the fire place. We used to ask him what it was like in the war but looking back now he told us nothing of what he really went through, but one story stays in my mind... He was ordered with a few others to clear some trenches, he caught some huns unaware and pointed his Enfield at them. they were surprised and surrendered. In taking them back to friendly lines they were caught by some Bosh (and this part still makes me smile to this day) with one of them waving his finger and saying "no no tut tut". He got rescued by the rest of his squad shortly after and shared a ciggy and food with his prisoners... These are memories that i cherish but im sure they were not for Adgy...
Brainy Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 You are gonna get it off walkers when he wakes up if that was meant to be as sarky as it sounded. Ever thought that he may work nights? I worked 5-8. I decided to sleep when I got back, as per usual.
Rincewind Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 Don't know if it was mum or dad that mentioned this about his time during WW2. He served in Italy and Greece and had reached the rank of Lance Corporal. This time he was offered a promotion to Corperal. He turned this down because he said one of his duties would be to arrange firing squads for deserters, He could not do this as he regrded all the men as his mates. I can't remember him telling many stories. I don't think he liked it. He was not a lover of the Americans either. One story was where his battalion captured a bridge then handed it over to the yanks to look after who promptly lost it. The brits took it and handed it over only for the Yanks to lose it againg. The Brits took it again but then kept it. Not sure how true it is. Anyway he did not like the officers, so I imagine he had it pretty bad and saw horrific things.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 11 November 2011 Author Posted 11 November 2011 A friend of my grandparents died last year and they were entrusted to sell the house etc. They found all sorts of medals, some from ww1 others from ww2. My grandma has a book on collectable things, and from the ww2 set she's one ribbon (she has the medal) short of the full set. Think these medals were awarded when a soldier had been posted to a certain country. Think there are 6 in total. We also came across a ww1 medal which we believe got issued when a soldier died. (about as big as a saucer) Anyone know what I'm on about? I'll take pics when I go to see her next. I know to some its no big deal, but being from a bible bashing family, my great grandparents were all non combatants, so these were the first medals I've ever held from back then.
I am Rod Hull Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 A friend of my grandparents died last year and they were entrusted to sell the house etc. They found all sorts of medals, some from ww1 others from ww2. My grandma has a book on collectable things, and from the ww2 set she's one ribbon (she has the medal) short of the full set. Think these medals were awarded when a soldier had been posted to a certain country. Think there are 6 in total. We also came across a ww1 medal which we believe got issued when a soldier died. (about as big as a saucer) Anyone know what I'm on about? I'll take pics when I go to see her next. I know to some its no big deal, but being from a bible bashing family, my great grandparents were all non combatants, so these were the first medals I've ever held from back then. I for one would love to see the pictures...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 11 November 2011 Author Posted 11 November 2011 I for one would love to see the pictures... We are talking medals still and not my gran eh?!
I am Rod Hull Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 We are talking medals still and not my gran eh?! Either..
wellsy Posted 11 November 2011 Posted 11 November 2011 I work for Betfred and my customers were very respectful. Apart from 2 cvnts who didn't stop talking through it all. I gave him my views afterwards and he soon apologised, still pissed me off. No respect. Wore my poppy with pride today.
ajthefox Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 I work for Betfred and my customers were very respectful. Apart from 2 cvnts who didn't stop talking through it all. I gave him my views afterwards and he soon apologised, still pissed me off. No respect. Wore my poppy with pride today. How do you know that? For one reason or another it did not dawn on me at 11. I was sat in a lecture room with about 40 other people waiting for our lecture and then all of a sudden someone starts getting uppity about it. As soon as someone mentioned it I and everyone else talking shut up, but how dare you or anyone tell me how much respect I have for those who lost their lives just because I forgot about it.
The Doctor Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Completely agree with AJ here, just because a person doesn't follow conventional tradition doesn't mean they have no respect for those who died in the two world wars (that's all Armistice day means and is why I recognise it as a valid day but not remembrance Sunday). Saying that anyone who doesn't remain silent is akin to saying anyone who wears a poppy is truly respectful when in reality they could be a knuckle-dragging ****wit who has no idea what the poppy stands for and just wears one because he's told its' the right thing to do.
Rincewind Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 I was at my IT course. When I got there I heard one of the tutors say something about it. I was expecting at 11 for them to ask for quiet but it never happened. Next time I looked at my watch it was 11.05. It would have been difficult to implement it for all anyway. There may have been one or two on exams and they are timed so 2 missed minutes could see them fail. I dont mean that to sound bad just saying it is not always possible to observe the silence. The room was fairly quiet anyway and anyone wanting to stop what they were doing could have done. I forgot because I was grappling with an IT problem.
J.Lisemore Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 How do you know that? For one reason or another it did not dawn on me at 11. I was sat in a lecture room with about 40 other people waiting for our lecture and then all of a sudden someone starts getting uppity about it. As soon as someone mentioned it I and everyone else talking shut up, but how dare you or anyone tell me how much respect I have for those who lost their lives just because I forgot about it. Read what hes put... their were people talking in a betting shop when everybody else were quiet. Shame on the people who talked through it. A couple of minutes of respect was called for, and that wasn't it. How anyone can 'forget' something like this is beyond me anyway.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 12 November 2011 Author Posted 12 November 2011 How do you know that? For one reason or another it did not dawn on me at 11. I was sat in a lecture room with about 40 other people waiting for our lecture and then all of a sudden someone starts getting uppity about it. As soon as someone mentioned it I and everyone else talking shut up, but how dare you or anyone tell me how much respect I have for those who lost their lives just because I forgot about it. Sorry but if someone had that much respect then they wouldn't forget. It was the only thing on my mind all day. Not trying to insult you, just saying.
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