stockyfox Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 I am rather more concerned with the principles involved with this issue. Surely the training schedule is planned to ensure that on the field of play, each player is at peak fitness and physically is able to cope with the demands required over not just ninety minutes but critically even more so when the match goes into three, four, five or even more minutes of added time - when games can be won and lost ((eg Sunderland -last week) and as I have said in my thread 'A passing thought', If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen'. It is of no consequence whether a player lives in Manchester, Manitoba or Melbourne, when it comes to 3pm on a Saturday afternoon or 7-45pm on a Tuesday night etc, Leicester City fans expect every player to give of their best, right through till the final whistle. We don't carry passengers - and fans who have paid out not insignificant sums of money for tickets, travel, programmes etc are entitled to expect good quality football from players who are mostly paid exorbitant weekly salaries that their loyal fans can only dream of.
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 He did rise from the dead what more do you want? And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” Very applicable to the Wellens haters .........but i suppose ignorance is bliss !
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 There is 'asking why' and then there is this...an unrelenting assassination of one of our best players over recent years. A player that is current captain of the team and, despite, poorer rcent form than usual, one which has never done anything more than giving his all for Leicester City Football Club. In Wellens we have a player who is being blamed for everything that is bad about this team: Lack of creativity...Wellens fault Lack of team motivation...Wellens fault Lack of goals from the best paid player at the club...Wellens fault. etc. etc. etc... Yes Wellens has not been as good as usual this season.. but to lay all the blame for the team's ills at his feet is to do what many on here claim to abhore...its called 'scapegoating'. Someone earlier mentioned 'Jesus'... ironic really that he too became crucified by those who once loved him. Perfectly put !
Wherethefoxhat? Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 Heaven forbid someone should raise concerns about a senior member of the squad who is currently underperforming and asking reasons why. We could all sit like you with your head in the sand or post pointless pictures but some want answers. You'll be very pleased to hear i'm no longer "allowed" to post pics by the Lords and Masters of this forum .......so much for free speech !! I thought they were very expressive tbh !
Jollie Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 . I sat in the :colder:the other day :fc:ing that Yuki and Fernandes would replace Well-knackered and the invisible man in the center on midfield against Donny on Saturday. I would that.
BNET Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 Perfectly put ! Why don't you ask yourself why so many people are complaining about Wellens, are the they just picking on him for no apparent reason !Perhaps, the people who think he is a liability are right, as there seems to be an awfull lot of them.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 Why don't you ask yourself why so many people are complaining about Wellens, are the they just picking on him for no apparent reason ! Perhaps, the people who think he is a liability are right, as there seems to be an awfull lot of them. Its scapegoating. It starts with a few wanting to criticise a certain player, followed by a few more until the mass joins in. Psychologically its done because its easy to do and it makes those doing it feel they are part of 'the group'. I absolutely admit that Wellens is off-form, as I and others have posted time and time again. Where this thread has become ridiculous, and why it demonstrates scapegoating, is in the huge ridicule of Wellens, whilst others are being left alone. From what I've seen, many players have been pants recently, both under Sven and Pearson: King continues to go missing (why does Wellens have to be the only midfield 'playmaker'? why not King?) Beckford's goal tally and all-round play is woeful Mills continues to make stupid challenges that lead him to getting sent off and us losing football matches Danns has been half the player we thought he would be Gally has one great game then is average, at best For me, the only genuinely consistent performers this season I could count on one hand... Kasper, Pelts, Nugent, Konch and possibly Bamba. Thats it! Wellens has been no better, no worse than any of those mentioned above, but the others get away relatively scot-free. Its a team game, a team failure and Wellens is merely one player in the team. Even if you think he's the worst player in the team, to ignore the inadequacies of the other players and, more importantly, to effectively blame Wellens for their own inadequacies has a name. Its 'scapegoating'.... The reasons for this are complex... maybe people feel that Wellens is 'undroppable' in Pearson's eyes? Maybe people are still smarting over Sven? Maybe people were expecting Pearson to come in and win ten-nil every game? I don't know..what I do know is that Wellens is merely one of the deficiencies in the current 11. But not the only one and many seem to be conveniently overlooking this, as its 'easier' to slag off one player.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 Wellens has been shit for ages. The end. And this post perfectly exemplifies what I've just written..it could not have been better.....
wattolcfc Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 And this post perfectly exemplifies what I've just written..it could not have been better..... What, because I have stated a fact? ..Get off your high horse.
stockyfox Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 Wellens has been no better, no worse than any of those mentioned above, but the others get away relatively scot-free. Its a team game, a team failure and Wellens is merely one player in the team. Even if you think he's the worst player in the team, to ignore the inadequacies of the other players and, more importantly, to effectively blame Wellens for their own inadequacies has a name. And now I must agree with you CCF. In my post #51, I purposely avoided referring to any individual because I support the team. I evaluate what each player contributes to the team but it is the overall performance of the team as a unit that counts in the end.
BNET Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 The biggest problem with our team for a few years now as been our central midfield. These positions have mostly been occupied by Wellens and King. King as done good things while playing for us and Wellens hasn't. King as been poor lately but l would say thats down to having to play along side a partner who isn't up to it and doesn't pull his weight. lts no coincidence that when he's been out of the side we have played our best football. lf you need to go back and start from scratch with this squad, you would start again with the line up the same as your best performance, Derby, and take into account the Forest first half. Everything points to Wellens being our weak point, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its a ****ing duck ! Scapegoat my arse !
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 The biggest problem with our team for a few years now as been our central midfield. These positions have mostly been occupied by Wellens and King. King as done good things while playing for us and Wellens hasn't. King as been poor lately but l would say thats down to having to play along side a partner who isn't up to it and doesn't pull his weight. lts no coincidence that when he's been out of the side we have played our best football. lf you need to go back and start from scratch with this squad, you would start again with the line up the same as your best performance, Derby, and take into account the Forest first half. Everything points to Wellens being our weak point, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, its a ****ing duck ! Scapegoat my arse ! You make no sense... If what you are saying is true why have consecutive managers (Pearson, Sousa, Sven, Pearson) consistently played Wellens in their teams? Sven, for example, had the ideal opportunity to go out and buy central midfielders which he felt were better than Richie and play them. What did Sven do? He went out and bought and still, in most cases he played Wellens. Similarly now... Pearson has a choice of Abe, Fernandes, Fat Johnno, Danns.. and what has he chosen to do?...Play Wellens. Either these managers are actively wanting to play Wellens in a bid to lose games (if your theory holds as him having 'done no good' and the 'weak link') or they are playing him because they think he's the best of the bunch. Which do you think it is? Are you suggesting that both Sven and Pearson don't have a clue? Or perhaps you are just wrong? It could be that Pearson decides to finally bite the bullet and drop Wellens on Saturday? This could happen..but I doubt it... We'll see I guess.
Salieri Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 You make no sense... If what you are saying is true why have consecutive managers (Pearson, Sousa, Sven, Pearson) consistently played Wellens in their teams? Sven, for example, had the ideal opportunity to go out and buy central midfielders which he felt were better than Richie and play them. What did Sven do? He went out and bought and still, in most cases he played Wellens. Similarly now... Pearson has a choice of Abe, Fernandes, Fat Johnno, Danns.. and what has he chosen to do?...Play Wellens. Either these managers are actively wanting to play Wellens in a bid to lose games (if your theory holds as him having 'done no good' and the 'weak link') or they are playing him because they think he's the best of the bunch. Which do you think it is? Are you suggesting that both Sven and Pearson don't have a clue? Or perhaps you are just wrong? It could be that Pearson decides to finally bite the bullet and drop Wellens on Saturday? This could happen..but I doubt it... We'll see I guess. I'm finding myself agreeing with you.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 I'm finding myself agreeing with you. you've changed your name! Wheres Piggy gone?....
Salieri Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 you've changed your name! Wheres Piggy gone?.... Fancied a change.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 December 2011 Posted 15 December 2011 Fancied a change. you need to change your avatar too then.... Try this one: Good on ya mate
volpeazzurro Posted 16 December 2011 Posted 16 December 2011 If Wellens cannot cope with the demands anymore than bollocks to you and go somewhere else. Common sense says this is a good move and isn't a load of bollocks, it say more about your thoughts about Wellens than knowledge of fitness or football. If you were for example to speak to very our own past player Gerry Taggart he would echo the same. He fell fowl of some ridiculous training under Micky Adams and was also knackered come the weekend. He left us and went to Stoke where the sensible Tony Pullis also gave him Mondays off and managed his training regime, this doesn't mean he was lazy, just a competent manager recognised that players are individuals, whatever they're age, and have different needs and tolerances. The result was Taggart became their player of the year that season when numpty Adams thought he was over the hill. Also worth a mention are Paul McGrath, Ledley King as examples of players who couldn't train much, now wouldn't our backline benefit from any of these three players? Players aren't machines.
BNET Posted 16 December 2011 Posted 16 December 2011 Wellens as and never will be the player any of them that you mention. They are all very good Premiership players, three touch is a lower league player at best. To mention him in the same sentence is wrong. l understand your point, but it doesn't apply to the standard of player Wellens is, and really he is no worse now than he ever was. We are not trying to keep him match fit hoping to get glimpses of his former genius, he's no good and never was,
Bettsj2 Posted 16 December 2011 Posted 16 December 2011 I would like to see him rested on Saturday and Danns played in the centre with King. It's so frustrating to see Beckford and Nugent making excellent early runs only for Wellens to take 20 touches then complain at the lack of movement. He was good in his first season but has definitely been in decline since. Danns, Fernandes and Abe are all different types of midfielder but perhaps a change in that midfield dynamic is just what we need. Wellens and King as a partnership is far too physically weak and lacks pace. He'll probably start on Saturday and be man of the match.
lcfcnoely Posted 16 December 2011 Posted 16 December 2011 I think we should rest Wellens on matchdays as well as weekdays! Just repeating the joke that was said earlier in the thread! Original.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 16 December 2011 Posted 16 December 2011 Wellens is the only player in the team who passes the ball forwards... If he doesn't play be satisfied to watch us pass the ball slowely sideways
deep blue Posted 16 December 2011 Posted 16 December 2011 Wellens is the only player in the team who passes the ball forwards... If he doesn't play be satisfied to watch us pass the ball slowely sideways I hope this is intended as irony. As John McEnroe would say ...
funkyrobot Posted 17 December 2011 Posted 17 December 2011 Wellens is the only player in the team who passes the ball forwards... If he doesn't play be satisfied to watch us pass the ball slowely sideways Sideways? You mean king, backwards to the nearest centre back, back to schmeichel, hoof, lose possession.
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