chili_con_carne Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Okay I know this has been discussed before, everyone can see what a joke he is nowadays. But why? That is the question. At this rate he will do a Levi porter and end up at wigston car breakers.
whoareyaaa Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 no passion 2nd to a lot of balls and also his passing has not been great at all.
Happy Fox Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Okay I know this has been discussed before, everyone can see what a joke he is nowadays. But why? That is the question. At this rate he will do a Levi porter and end up at wigston car breakers. Wellens FACT he is detrimental to King's strengths no coincidence when Wellens isn't playing King and the rest of the team play slightly better not good enough for promotion.
Head Honcho Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Okay I know this has been discussed before, everyone can see what a joke he is nowadays. But why? That is the question. At this rate he will do a Levi porter and end up at wigston car breakers. Don't worry..............he's off to Hinckley Town
seenitall Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 seems to have lost all passion and drive from what I saw yesterday - seems scared of getting clattered and looks to be hiding as much as possible - you can't blame Wellens for his failures, I thought Wellens worked hard to get the ball yesterday and was up for the game - being saddled in midfield with Gally and King is no help to anyone as neither really looks to want the ball - in any other team he would be dropped for a while, as would Gallagher and actually probably Wellens too. Dyer was ok yesterday but he is saddled with too much to allow him to be creative and operate as a winger (including for some reason yesterday being last man at the back for Gally's woeful corners - surely a waste and also a massive risk as I have never seen him tackle - he may have pace but to what end?? King has to be dropped, along with Gallagher - neither should be in the team
acooling08 Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Wellens FACT he is detrimental to King's strengths no coincidence when Wellens isn't playing King and the rest of the team play slightly better not good enough for promotion. That's utter bullshit. King played alongside Wellens for the vast majority of last season when he was one of the best players in the league. Yes Wellens has been poor recently but you are going way OTT criticising him, next you'll be blaming him for world hunger.
Thracian Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Wellens FACT he is detrimental to King's strengths no coincidence when Wellens isn't playing King and the rest of the team play slightly better not good enough for promotion. i've really no idea why we continue to play the two together. I'm convinced King needs to move for his own good and perhaps for ours as well the way he's playing. Derek Dougan used to swear by changing clubs every couple of years and the King we have now is nothing like the guy who was always up there on our "most shots" list and first or second on our goalscorers chart. He and Wellens are like oil and water together.
superfox Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 King's to weak, he's not making the same runs he made last season, he doesn't influence a game and overall this season his performances have been well below par. Coupled with Wellens who really should just hang up his boots tbh.... Verdict - 2 decent central midfielders needed !
Thracian Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 seems to have lost all passion and drive from what I saw yesterday - seems scared of getting clattered and looks to be hiding as much as possible - you can't blame Wellens for his failures, I thought Wellens worked hard to get the ball yesterday and was up for the game - being saddled in midfield with Gally and King is no help to anyone as neither really looks to want the ball - in any other team he would be dropped for a while, as would Gallagher and actually probably Wellens too. Dyer was ok yesterday but he is saddled with too much to allow him to be creative and operate as a winger (including for some reason yesterday being last man at the back for Gally's woeful corners - surely a waste and also a massive risk as I have never seen him tackle - he may have pace but to what end?? King has to be dropped, along with Gallagher - neither should be in the team Wellens is a footballing bandmaster but, unfortunately, the band's out of tune and he's not helping the rhythm.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 Just hasnt got going all season really, and I'm not sure why. I think he needs one of those games where he gets two goals, and then goes on a bit of a run og goals. He isnt a joke as people say, but he isnt doing it at the moment. Rather have him in the team over Wellens though.
iamafox Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 So who would King benefit playing alongside with in the heart of the midfield? Nobody?
Thracian Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 King's to weak, he's not making the same runs he made last season, he doesn't influence a game and overall this season his performances have been well below par. Coupled with Wellens who really should just hang up his boots tbh.... Verdict - 2 decent central midfielders needed ! I would almost guarantee that King is stronger now than at the time he was scoring goals and having more shots than most of our strikers. What's changed is that he's much more closely marked and is playing an ever more withdrawn role. This has negated his strengths because he doesn't have the shots, doesn't score the goals and because we don't play he ball through him in midfield anyway - partly because he's not given anything like the space he used to get. The space wouldn't necessarily matter if the ball weere played to him anyway because he's a one touch or two-touch footballer at worst. But the close marking means that team-mates miss him out meaning the passing and moving from defence through midfield has all but disappeared. What's left are the hopeless balls into space. Watch the top teams. They'll pass to someone even more closely marked than King because they know those players will keep the move going even in tight situations. We can't do that because the people around King haven't got the speed of body or mind to cope in tight situations. You don't need to be a physical hard case to boss midfield, you need to be given the ball and to pass it quickly and accurately. Paul Scholes is a liabiity in the tackle and Scott Parker, tough as he is, shines because he does the simple things quickly. That's what King used to do and still tries to do, but with much less effect nowadays. Put simply we need to get the ball down again and play it to feet of people capable of providing movement. Gallagher and Wellens don't provide that movement at all.
artursteppe Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 i've really no idea why we continue to play the two together. I'm convinced King needs to move for his own good and perhaps for ours as well the way he's playing. Derek Dougan used to swear by changing clubs every couple of years and the King we have now is nothing like the guy who was always up there on our "most shots" list and first or second on our goalscorers chart. He and Wellens are like oil and water together. OK Thracian, that is something I can largely agree with, but Wellens and King are both division one midfield standard.
chili_con_carne Posted 15 January 2012 Author Posted 15 January 2012 I was thinking the pressure of having to do well maybe getting to him. all this, 'promotion is a must this season' from the owners and Sven pre season.
Thracian Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 OK Thracian, that is something I can largely agree with, but Wellens and King are both division one midfield standard. Put King in a pass-and-move team at almost any level and he'd be an asset. Put Wellens in such a team and he'd be knackered after 30 minutes.
Thracian Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 So who would King benefit playing alongside with in the heart of the midfield? Nobody? Most anyone else who could pass and move quickly.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 King's to weak, he's not making the same runs he made last season, he doesn't influence a game and overall this season his performances have been well below par. Coupled with Wellens who really should just hang up his boots tbh.... Verdict - 2 decent central midfielders needed ! He's not had a brilliant season so far granted, but the quality's still there. You say he's not making the same runs as last season but he is, watch him in isolation to the rest of the game and you'll see that King makes more intelligent runs than the rest of the team combined. It's just that this season we haven't got the players around him playing passes quickly enough to pick out those runs. There was a chance yesterday that he put over in front of the kop, last season he might have got that on target but the point stands that he is the only one in our squad that would have got that chance in the first place by making the run. He's a bit of an easy target at the minute and I think people are all too quick to forget how he's been the last three seasons. Don't forget he's still fairly young, he's bound to have a bad patch at some point. But King will come good. As someone else said, form is temporary class is permanent and King's got class.
AdamN Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 That's utter bullshit. King played alongside Wellens for the vast majority of last season when he was one of the best players in the league. Yes Wellens has been poor recently but you are going way OTT criticising him, next you'll be blaming him for world hunger. But let's not forget that Wellens was playing well enough to earn player of the season at that time. As much as I don't want to say "everything is Wellens' fault", King has generally played better when Wellens hasn't been in the team this season. Derby at home springs to mind (playing along Fernandes, Danns and Abe) and more recently Palace away (Danns and Abe). I like King and I certainly don't want to get rid of him, cos we know about his abilities and he's still got plenty of time to improve. But I really hope Pearson starts experimenting and stops persevering with the Wellens/King combo, because it clearly hasn't worked like it used to.
chili_con_carne Posted 15 January 2012 Author Posted 15 January 2012 What about King and Johnson together? I really want to see Johnson given a run in the team.
iamafox Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 I really want to see Johnson given a run in the team. So do I, I don't think it will definitely work but Nigel should give it a try.
funkyrobot Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 I would almost guarantee that King is stronger now than at the time he was scoring goals and having more shots than most of our strikers. What's changed is that he's much more closely marked and is playing an ever more withdrawn role. This has negated his strengths because he doesn't have the shots, doesn't score the goals and because we don't play he ball through him in midfield anyway - partly because he's not given anything like the space he used to get. The space wouldn't necessarily matter if the ball weere played to him anyway because he's a one touch or two-touch footballer at worst. But the close marking means that team-mates miss him out meaning the passing and moving from defence through midfield has all but disappeared. What's left are the hopeless balls into space. Watch the top teams. They'll pass to someone even more closely marked than King because they know those players will keep the move going even in tight situations. We can't do that because the people around King haven't got the speed of body or mind to cope in tight situations. You don't need to be a physical hard case to boss midfield, you need to be given the ball and to pass it quickly and accurately. Paul Scholes is a liabiity in the tackle and Scott Parker, tough as he is, shines because he does the simple things quickly. That's what King used to do and still tries to do, but with much less effect nowadays. Put simply we need to get the ball down again and play it to feet of people capable of providing movement. Gallagher and Wellens don't provide that movement at all. Kingy's not fit to lace scholesy or parker's boots as a midfielder. The only thing he has ever offered is an excellent ability to finish, often running from deep. He is like a poor man's lampard in that respect. Take his goalscoring away, as has happened this season, and he offers almost nothing. Maybe it's a confidence thing, having been dropped by Sven at the start of the season, he hasn't really recovered the one outstanding attribute he had. I'd sell if there are still any premiership mugs out there who think he's a world beater.
bluebatt Posted 15 January 2012 Posted 15 January 2012 hi all got to agree with this chap i said exactly same thing end of last season and beginning of this and got slated and thanks to all who have actually noticed he does sod all, except youngy who still thinks he is awesome and keeps saying he does a lot of running under 10's football teams do a lot of running but still do more to get the ball than kingy who perfect game is to leave the pitch without having to have his kit washed after, sorry but this guy has no drive or passion
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.