Kitchandro Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 Sorry, but they were just about ok in league 1. They are not good enough at this level and never will be. For Pearson to keep his job he must do something about them, and time is already running out for him. If we do not reach the top six this year Pearson will be out and if King, Wellens, Dyer and Gallagher play too many matches in the next four months we will not get into the top six. That is just the way it is. Well Gallagher and Wellens didn't play for us in League 1. They must have been just about OK in this division before this season then. And we were more than just about OK in League 1, we finished top, King and Dyer playing big parts. King was exceptional at times last season and Everton and Villa were apparently interested. He's gone downhill this season though. Wellens ran our midfield on many an occassion. Like King, he was important in us reaching the play-offs. Fans from other clubs often commented on his dominant performances against their team. He looks past it now and has performed very poorly this campaign. Gallagher was undroppable in the second half of last season and again was in our team that reached the play-offs. He's always split opinion and has had some good and some terrible games this season. Whether these players are good enough now is another matter, but I don't see much proof that they haven't been good players for this league in the past.
renards Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 I'm behind pearson 100%. He didn't ask to come here, we asked him to give up a side that he built at hull who are doing very well with not a lot of money and its going to take a year to sort out our side. The least we can do is stick with him. I can't believe some of the thick moronic numpties asking for him to be sacked after a dozen games!! Probably the same p*ssed up twats who only know 2 lines of when you're smiling. A million reasons why he has come here, as it has been put before, hack of your boss- leave and then come back for a £700k rise. I'm sure you being behind him makes up for any disappointment he may have, can't be nice for him
renards Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 Sorry, but they were just about ok in league 1. They are not good enough at this level and never will be. For Pearson to keep his job he must do something about them, and time is already running out for him. If we do not reach the top six this year Pearson will be out and if King, Wellens, Dyer and Gallagher play too many matches in the next four months we will not get into the top six. That is just the way it is. I keep reading about what crap players we have and they all tend to be ones NP signed. I dont think there are many managers that wouldn't have welcomed the chance to sign: Kasper, Pielter, Konch, Nougent, Bamba, Danns (played in the right place) add to that Vassel, Schlup coming through, Mills if he does a Walsh and improves greatly, Abe again on the form we know he can play. Beckford has been the biggest disappointment, but looks different running on to the ball but in never happens. All managers sign players that don't cut it (even MON who signed several) Svens record is better than most, surley a decent manager can get more out of the group of players we have.
cc_star Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 Sorry, but they were just about ok in league 1. They are not good enough at this level and never will be. For Pearson to keep his job he must do something about them, and time is already running out for him. If we do not reach the top six this year Pearson will be out and if King, Wellens, Dyer and Gallagher play too many matches in the next four months we will not get into the top six. That is just the way it is. Team ethic is missing, hence sub-standard performances from every single one of a squad bar Pelts, Kasper, Konch & in their only chance to date Moore & Kennedy With regard to King, Wellens, Gally & co... who's coached these players for roughly 18 of the past 20 months? That hardly makes them Pearson's players even if on paper they are, if they were Pearson's actual players, rather than just on paper, you can be sure the team ethic would be higher, see Southampton, Leicester for 2 seasons, & Hull for details. Thanks to pre-season signings & preparation we don't have the players to play any other way successfully, so we're stuck with playing 433 a formation that failed for Sven & is obviously failing for NP too... with players who Sousa & Sven tried to replace & failed to so not only do we need to replace the players we know need replacing we need to replace the replacements too. To do this we need to ship some out else they'll no doubt be poisoning the atmosphere from the sidelines. What NP needs to do is get more out of the players until that happens, there no excuse for that I keep reading about what crap players we have and they all tend to be ones NP signed. I dont think there are many managers that wouldn't have welcomed the chance to sign: Kasper, Pielter, Konch, Nougent, Bamba, Danns (played in the right place) add to that Vassel, Schlup coming through, Mills if he does a Walsh and improves greatly, Abe again on the form we know he can play. Beckford has been the biggest disappointment, but looks different running on to the ball but in never happens. All managers sign players that don't cut it (even MON who signed several) Svens record is better than most, surley a decent manager can get more out of the group of players we have. Pretty sure many clubs would have wanted quite a few players from our 2009 team too, King Wellens & co. What changed, well they're a bit older & of course, but also their training, coaching & the ethos a manager brings to his team over that time, along with the fact they've been dropped, replaced then brought back into the team again in various positions because the replacements also weren't all that. Whilst the players are here, we need to support them & create an atmosphere where then improve until such a point their shipped out. Derision needs to be saved until the final whistle, not for a misplaced pass... from the current atmosphere it's easy to tell why there are so many rushed & snatched passes resulting in loss of possession and counter attack goals. The players mentioned above might all have been good, but many of them weren't able to form a team, despite a quality pre-season and a few months of the season they still looked like strangers so no matter how good they are/were as individuals 'teams' will always be able to beat individuals.
Milton Keynes Fox Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 TELL YOU WHAT'S ANNOYED ME THE MOST, THE FACT THAT WE 'NEEDED THE TRANSFER WINDOW' AND WE'VE DONE FVCK ALL IN 17 DAYS!
Nickfosse Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 What I struggle with most with the Pearson out contributors on the Forums and Phone Ins is that it pays no attention to our history over the past 17 years. If we had pulled the trigger on O'Neill when we were very poor in his early days with us then we would never have had our success with him. In the year that we went through managers like wildfire we went down. Do we never learn? We simply have to give a manager time to do a proper job or we will be going round in ever decreasing circles for perpetuity
ithuriel Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 What I struggle with most with the Pearson out contributors on the Forums and Phone Ins is that it pays no attention to our history over the past 17 years. If we had pulled the trigger on O'Neill when we were very poor in his early days with us then we would never have had our success with him. In the year that we went through managers like widfire we went down. Do we never learn? We simply have to give a manager time to do a proper job or we will be going round in ever decreasing circles for perpetuity Do not talk sense, it is like talking in a foreign language and they will fail to understand
cc_star Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 TELL YOU WHAT'S ANNOYED ME THE MOST, THE FACT THAT WE 'NEEDED THE TRANSFER WINDOW' AND WE'VE DONE FVCK ALL IN 17 DAYS! What do you want to happen? Rush & sign players who are no better than those already here, as happened in the summer? Perhaps sign all our targets whilst the under-achievers are all still here, adding negative energy to any positiveness a new signing brings? Players need to be on their way out as we're bringing players in, given their presumably large wages I'd have thought that's a challenge given their form. Presumably we have targets of a reasonable quality level who are currently doing the business for their clubs & not sat at home playing the odd reserve game, that being the case their teams will need to replace them before letting them go. It's a roundabout! But you can be sure we're on it, we just have to wait for it to start.
deep blue Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 Team ethic is missing, hence sub-standard performances from every single one of a squad bar Pelts, Kasper, Konch & in their only chance to date Moore & Kennedy With regard to King, Wellens, Gally & co... who's coached these players for roughly 18 of the past 20 months? That hardly makes them Pearson's players even if on paper they are, if they were Pearson's actual players, rather than just on paper, you can be sure the team ethic would be higher, see Southampton, Leicester for 2 seasons, & Hull for details. Thanks to pre-season signings & preparation we don't have the players to play any other way successfully, so we're stuck with playing 433 a formation that failed for Sven & is obviously failing for NP too... with players who Sousa & Sven tried to replace & failed to so not only do we need to replace the players we know need replacing we need to replace the replacements too. To do this we need to ship some out else they'll no doubt be poisoning the atmosphere from the sidelines. What NP needs to do is get more out of the players until that happens, there no excuse for that Spot on, except that you assume that 4-3-3 is the only option open to us. The most obvious way of playing with what we have, but adding width as per 4-4-2, is to go with the 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation which was reasonably successful for the one half that it was tried (at CP). The one thing we do have is fullbacks who are still performing well and are capable of doing a reasonable job at wingback. That system accommodates 3 central midfielders, of which one should adopt the defensive position to give much-needed protection to the back line, leaving 2 to push on in support of the attack. It also allows fluid transformation between 3-5-2 when attacking and 5-3-2 when in a more defensive phase of the game. The only problem I see is that we have just 3 experienced CBs at present, and Tunchev's fitness is suspect. The loss of Bamber is rather unfortunate as his speed and fitness would make him an ideal (probably essential) element of the back line.
Kitchandro Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 I keep reading about what crap players we have and they all tend to be ones NP signed. I dont think there are many managers that wouldn't have welcomed the chance to sign: Kasper, Pielter, Konch, Nougent, Bamba, Danns (played in the right place) add to that Vassel, Schlup coming through, Mills if he does a Walsh and improves greatly, Abe again on the form we know he can play. Beckford has been the biggest disappointment, but looks different running on to the ball but in never happens. All managers sign players that don't cut it (even MON who signed several) Svens record is better than most, surley a decent manager can get more out of the group of players we have. With this amount of money? Mills is terrible value. He could have got a load of centre backs who could do the same as him for less than half the price. He could have used that money to get better players elsewhere. Danns has been played in the right position in a number of games and apart from the odd performance he's still looked no better than average on the whole. Abe hasn't been good enough. Vassell hasn't been good enough. He also signed Bednar, Kirkland, Ricardo, Van Aanholt and Bruma last season, none of which were good enough and some were big weak links when the likes of King, Wellens and Gallagher were the best performers in the team, along with Naughton, who was Sven's best signing, and no longer here. He did sign some good players too. But unlike in Pearson's play-off season, he couldn't get the best out of them this season. Pearson isn't doing so either at the moment but you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. A sow's ear that Sven purchased. Pearson had a lot less money the first time round and he bought players like Gallagher and Wellens, who performed well as individuals but also in a team unit. Sven seemed to think they, along with King, were good enough (and at the time they were) and HE rewarded them with new contracts. Obviously, Sven didn't see fit to replace them. What he could have done though with more cash at his disposal was to get players who would challenge them for a first team place. Instead, he's bought a lot of average squad players who are hardly much better than the woefully underperforming Wellens and King, and the frustratingly inconsistent Gallagher. The 'two players for every position' idea was more to do with having a second team for the cup competitions, rather than competition for places. That's how it's turned out, anyway. So, the point is, you can blame Pearson for playing his players, but Sven didn't buy any better ones for the positions we are now lacking in. Even Dyer is the only winger we have FFS, because Sven didn't buy another. You can claim we have a good squad but in reality, we don't. You do make a fair point though - why is it that some of these average players are performing below themselves? And why is it that players who were very good for us last season have been playing as bad as those, if not worse? A question for both Sven AND Pearson. But Pearson must be given more time to create the same team spirit and belief that he did the first time he was here. Hopefully, the last few weeks will have told him a lot about some of his players.
ithuriel Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 We should really stop going round in circles over the players. Savage is right when he says the current squad of players are not good enough. We know they are not good enough and players have been chopped and changed in different formations all season and we are still roughly in much the same position, a mid table team. The club is trying to get in new players but are not going to be held to ransom by greedy clubs and agents, which is frustrating but i'm sure we will get some players in. The big question is with an injection of new blood can we mount a run into the play off places or will we stay mid table like last season.
wellyfox Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 We should really stop going round in circles over the players. Savage is right when he says the current squad of players are not good enough. We know they are not good enough and players have been chopped and changed in different formations all season and we are still roughly in much the same position, a mid table team. The club is trying to get in new players but are not going to be held to ransom by greedy clubs and agents, which is frustrating but i'm sure we will get some players in. The big question is with an injection of new blood can we mount a run into the play off places or will we stay mid table like last season. read your first line n thought ok some sense then the second line lol Is that the same Savage that say's Wellens is prem class lol lol Sorry I did'nt bother reading the rest.
ithuriel Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 read your first line n thought ok some sense then the second line lol Is that the same Savage that say's Wellens is prem class lol lol Sorry I did'nt bother reading the rest. You do not read much and then critique, says it all
artursteppe Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 I see the only few people who still want to 'cuddle' King, Wellens and Gallagher have crept out of the woodwork and onto this thread' ( They do somehow seem to conglomerate at the same time as each other on this site). 'There are none so blind as those who will not see,' and there will always be a few die-hards who just will not let go of their misguided beliefs. There used to be lots of people who liked Gally and Wellens and King, I know, I have been arguing with them for years. Thank goodness there are only about half a dozen left. Here you guys, check my preferred team for tonight:- Kasper Moores, Mills, Tunchev,Kennedy Peltier, Danns, Abe, Konch Beckford, Nugent You know it makes sense!
cc_star Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 I see the only few people who still want to 'cuddle' King, Wellens and Gallagher have crept out of the woodwork and onto this thread' ( They do somehow seem to conglomerate at the same time as each other on this site). 'There are none so blind as those who will not see,' and there will always be a few die-hards who just will not let go of their misguided beliefs. There used to be lots of people who liked Gally and Wellens and King, I know, I have been arguing with them for years. Thank goodness there are only about half a dozen left. Here you guys, check my preferred team for tonight:- Kasper Moores, Mills, Tunchev,Kennedy Peltier, Danns, Abe, Konch Beckford, Nugent You know it makes sense! Full backs as midfield wide-men Looking back through history about how that's ever worked out, thank goodness you're not in charge also, Moore is cup-tied
Captain... Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 I see the only few people who still want to 'cuddle' King, Wellens and Gallagher have crept out of the woodwork and onto this thread' ( They do somehow seem to conglomerate at the same time as each other on this site). 'There are none so blind as those who will not see,' and there will always be a few die-hards who just will not let go of their misguided beliefs. There used to be lots of people who liked Gally and Wellens and King, I know, I have been arguing with them for years. Thank goodness there are only about half a dozen left. Here you guys, check my preferred team for tonight:- Kasper Moores, Mills, Tunchev,Kennedy Peltier, Danns, Abe, Konch Beckford, Nugent You know it makes sense! Brilliant, 6 defenders including one who is cup tied, and a defensive midfielder, the problem with the people who constantly slag off certain players is that they tend to be clueless and constantly expose themselves. Like the numpty up there who was going on about Gallagher and Wellens playing for us in League 1. I do agree with you that we should play Abe and Danns together in the centre of midfield, but they need some wide players not full backs playing out of position. Seeing as Dyer was our best player on Saturday, and the only actual winger at the club and Konchesky can't train as much as he used to, why would you risk Konchesky's fitness playing out of position against a tin pot club in a competition we won't win. Moussa and Dyer on the wings if I had my way.
wellyfox Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 Full backs as midfield wide-men Looking back through history about how that's ever worked out, thank goodness you're not in charge also, Moore is cup-tied And a cetre back would make a shite striker. So did you slag MON off?
cc_star Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 And a cetre back would make a shite striker. So did you slag MON off? CBs often play upfront, usually in closing stages of games as Walsh himself had on many, many, many occasions... It was hardly a push into the unknown so looking back through history, you'll see it works.... unlike the example above of playing 6 defenders, 2 of them as specialist wide-men, whilst a player behind them is cup-tied.
artursteppe Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 Brilliant, 6 defenders including one who is cup tied, and a defensive midfielder, the problem with the people who constantly slag off certain players is that they tend to be clueless and constantly expose themselves. Like the numpty up there who was going on about Gallagher and Wellens playing for us in League 1. I do agree with you that we should play Abe and Danns together in the centre of midfield, but they need some wide players not full backs playing out of position. Seeing as Dyer was our best player on Saturday, and the only actual winger at the club and Konchesky can't train as much as he used to, why would you risk Konchesky's fitness playing out of position against a tin pot club in a competition we won't win. Moussa and Dyer on the wings if I had my way. Calm down, it was a bit tongue in cheek. THE point is King, Wellens, Gallagher and Dyer are NOT good enough. Wake Up! I want to support a team that can be successful. You want to support a team that includes a bunch of crap!!!!!!!
artursteppe Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 People on here seem to think Gallagher is a wide man, NO he is a crap wide man!!!!!!
cc_star Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 Calm down, it was a bit tongue in cheek. THE point is King, Wellens, Gallagher and Dyer are NOT good enough. Wake Up! I want to support a team that can be successful. You want to support a team that includes a bunch of crap!!!!!!! Only players proved to be good enough are Kasper, Pelts, Konch & Nuge although Pelts & Nuge have recent cause for concern The constant harrying of a couple of players is tedious when there's a whole world of shit within our squad.
mrmagoomc4 Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 i would have to agree with artur we need a complete new midfield
burni Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 I see the only few people who still want to 'cuddle' King, Wellens and Gallagher have crept out of the woodwork and onto this thread' ( They do somehow seem to conglomerate at the same time as each other on this site). 'There are none so blind as those who will not see,' and there will always be a few die-hards who just will not let go of their misguided beliefs. There used to be lots of people who liked Gally and Wellens and King, I know, I have been arguing with them for years. Thank goodness there are only about half a dozen left. Here you guys, check my preferred team for tonight:- Kasper Moores, Mills, Tunchev,Kennedy Peltier, Danns, Abe, Konch Beckford, Nugent You know it makes sense! I see what your saying there, as someones pointed out though we have dyer so id see him on the left wing but i agree with peltier possibly covering right wing and moore coming in but peltier is a better rb than moore (atm) but i think peltier could play right wing, could of been tried in tonights cup game, shame moore is cup tied. would be more balanced from what we often play
Ely fox Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 Why don't fans show some patience and support for Pearson? He has only been here for 5 minutes. If you remember Fergie was under fire in the early days and he turned it around. He has not been given the time to get in his players yet. Who knows if he rates those he picks at the moment? He does have to pick a team from the squad he has. Give him until the end of next season and then judge. Just crazy to be judging him already. Some people really talk out of their XXXX on the moan in. To think that he needs to be sacked already is just a joke! Grow up!
artursteppe Posted 17 January 2012 Posted 17 January 2012 Full backs as midfield wide-men Looking back through history about how that's ever worked out, thank goodness you're not in charge also, Moore is cup-tied I see what you mean, a bit like Gareth Bale, crap midfield player because he is a full back!
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